Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[coolcarer]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If Anton Gerashchenko knows so little about warfare why is he posting about it?

Aircraft don't "shell" anything. That is artillery. Aircraft "bomb" or "fire at".

 

One aircraft destroyed a war does not win, but enjoy your small wins while Russia keeps advancing.

Oh look who’s piped up. Lol. 
 

This is back in March, so well over 100 now. Visually confirmed. 

 

In total, the Russian Air Force (VVS) has so far lost 105 aircraft, according to specialized open-source intelligence site Oryx (which only counts losses verified by visual documentation).

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/12/ukraine-is-catching-up-with-russia-in-aerial-warfare_6608793_4.html

[tgw]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

so the US wanted a pro Russian due out and a Pro western one in..... so dispite the guy being democratically elected..he had to go.

 

the Ukrainian revolution forced Yanukovich to go.

while there are serious doubts about his election having been democratic, there is no doubt at all that the revolution was caused by Yanukovich lying to the people and conducting different policies than what he was elected on, notably he acted pro-Russian, but he was elected on a pro-Europe programme. that's what caused his demise. he was removed by The Ukrainian People.

 

[tgw]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

watch the first 15 seconds. trump said.... 'i read', i didnt even know about it, he didnt tell me'! 

 

i didn't watch any further, i don't think i need to

 

so it would seem El' trumpo read the WSJ fake story too

 

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!

 

you got me there!

I concede I didn't properly listen.

sorry.

 

 

Edited July 26 by tgw

[rabas]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If Anton Gerashchenko knows so little about warfare why is he posting about it?

Aircraft don't "shell" anything. That is artillery. Aircraft "bomb" or "fire at".

 

One aircraft destroyed a war does not win, but enjoy your small wins while Russia keeps advancing.

 You seem to make propaganda from thin air. He is not a native English speaker. 

 

Anton Yuriyovych Gerashchenko Anton Yuriyovych Herashchenko, born 10 February 1979) is a current official advisor and a former deputy minister at the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs He is a former member of the Ukrainian parliament (Verkhovna Rada) from 2014 to 2019,^[3][5] and was the subject of an assassination attempt in part because of his actions, which was prevented by the SBU.

 

Obviously knows a whole lot of accurate information about Ukraine and the war. 

 

And your credentials?

 

BTW Russia tried to assassinate him.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Gerashchenko 

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

you got me there!

I concede I didn't properly listen.

sorry.

 

 

no worries, let the battle continue! 😎

[transam]

45 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Morning Star? Haha, is that still going? I was actually a Times reader, sometimes the Telegraph. Based on your posts, I know the Sun or the Mail is your rag of choice.

Once again you show you know nothing, I wouldn't expect anything else from a Putin fanboy sitting in a "free" country....😬

[transam]

30 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

how so??

 

not luck either, i made choices. i like the sun, sea and ease of Thai life. 

So do your comrades.............🤣

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, rabas said:

 You seem to make propaganda from thin air. He is not a native English speaker. 

 

Anton Yuriyovych Gerashchenko Anton Yuriyovych Herashchenko, born 10 February 1979) is a current official advisor and a former deputy minister at the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs He is a former member of the Ukrainian parliament (Verkhovna Rada) from 2014 to 2019,^[3][5] and was the subject of an assassination attempt in part because of his actions, which was prevented by the SBU.

 

Obviously knows a whole lot of accurate information about Ukraine and the war. 

 

And your credentials?

 

BTW Russia tried to assassinate him.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Gerashchenko 

Then he should get his scribbles proof read by an English speaker. If I was trying to write in a second language I'd get a native speaker to check it- not rocket science.

 

I never claimed to know everything, but I know the military having been in one for over a decade, and I know correct terminology, for the most part.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then he should get his scribbles proof read by an English speaker. If I was trying to write in a second language I'd get a native speaker to check it- not rocket science.

 

I never claimed to know everything, but I know the military having been in one for over a decade, and I know correct terminology, for the most part.

Russian.........?  🤔

[BobBKK]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

Once again you show you know nothing, I wouldn't expect anything else from a Putin fanboy sitting in a "free" country....😬

 
Putin Fanboy? You always equate wanting peace and not supporting war with Putin - really immature The Sun style MAGA posts.  Admit it you are a National Front supporter.

[BobBKK]

40 minutes ago, rabas said:

 You seem to make propaganda from thin air. He is not a native English speaker. 

 

Anton Yuriyovych Gerashchenko Anton Yuriyovych Herashchenko, born 10 February 1979) is a current official advisor and a former deputy minister at the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs He is a former member of the Ukrainian parliament (Verkhovna Rada) from 2014 to 2019,^[3][5] and was the subject of an assassination attempt in part because of his actions, which was prevented by the SBU.

 

Obviously knows a whole lot of accurate information about Ukraine and the war. 

 

And your credentials?

 

BTW Russia tried to assassinate him.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Gerashchenko 

 

He's an unelected Ukraine Nationalist, and if you believe the Ukraine secret service, you are not as smart as I thought you were.

[rabas]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then he should get his scribbles proof read by an English speaker. If I was trying to write in a second language I'd get a native speaker to check it- not rocket science.

 

I never claimed to know everything, but I know the military having been in one for over a decade, and I know correct terminology, for the most part.

 

Here's an attack aircraft shell casing expert!  So, if a ground attack aircraft fires shells at ground positions what is it called?  

 

So we conclude Anton's English is better than yours? 

 

 

[frank83628]

59 minutes ago, transam said:

So do your comrades.............🤣

cracking chat. i got a few thing to do, sorry if i don't hang around

[RayC]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

so the US weren't involved in the coup back in 2014, Victoria Nuland isn't on leaked phone recording talking about who they will put in charge.... guess that never happened, Putin just wok up 24 Feb 22 and decided to invade Ukraine.

 

I can only suggest that you read the link below a read as it gives a pretty good plotted history of the background to Putin's invasion.

 

Admittedly it is a long piece, but the bottom line is that the catalyst for Euromaidan was Yanukovych's unilateral and undemocratic decision not to sign the EU - Ukraine Association which had been agreed to by the Ukrainian parliament and which formed part of the manifesto on which he was elected.

 

In  Yanukovych's defence it could be argued that he was forced into this decision because Russia - which was against the signing of the Agreement - had applied economic sanctions on Ukraine and was providing financial and military support to the separatists in Eastern Ukraine. This in itself was not an altogether new development as Russia had been interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs long before 2014.

 

Victoria Nuland's call was unhelpful as, for one thing, it drove a wedge between the EU and US: however to suggest that the US instigated Euromaidan is imo nonsense.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

 

[RayC]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There are enough war enthusiasts on here to form a company for Ukraine. However, I'm pretty sure they'd rather comment on here in the safety of their basement, than from a front line trench.

 

I doubt that there are many, if any, war enthusiasts here. Unfortunately, there are some Putin apologists on here - such as yourself - who will sink to any depth in a feeble attempt to justify their stance.

[frank83628]

14 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I can only suggest that you read the link below a read as it gives a pretty good plotted history of the background to Putin's invasion.

 

Admittedly it is a long piece, but the bottom line is that the catalyst for Euromaidan was Yanukovych's unilateral and undemocratic decision not to sign the EU - Ukraine Association which had been agreed to by the Ukrainian parliament and which formed part of the manifesto on which he was elected.

 

In  Yanukovych's defence it could be argued that he was forced into this decision because Russia - which was against the signing of the Agreement - had applied economic sanctions on Ukraine and was providing financial and military support to the separatists in Eastern Ukraine. This in itself was not an altogether new development as Russia had been interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs long before 2014.

 

Victoria Nuland's call was unhelpful as, for one thing, it drove a wedge between the EU and US: however to suggest that the US instigated Euromaidan is imo nonsense.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia

18 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

 

 

Victoria Nuland's call was unhelpful as, for one thing, it drove a wedge between the EU and US: however to suggest that the US instigated Euromaidan is imo nonsense.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

 

.org/wiki/Euromaidan

 

why is it nonsense, because America wouldn't do such a thing?....so they haven't interfered in other countries politics for their benefit before?

[RayC]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

why is it nonsense, because America wouldn't do such a thing?....so they haven't interfered in other countries politics for their benefit before?

 

I guess that you didn't read the link?

[Mavideol]

Robot Wars! Meet The Technological Marvels Helping Ukraine's Troops On The Battlefield

https://au.yahoo.com/news/robot-wars-meet-technological-marvels-120000095.html

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia latest: Putin peace agreement would be ‘deal with devil’ as Russia drone debris in Romania

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-joint-033914158.html

[Mavideol]

Russia will take five years to capture four Ukrainian regions 'if they carry on as they are' - UK army head

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-five-years-capture-four-134700886.html

[Mavideol]

Ukraine's hopes and challenges after long wait for F-16s

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-hopes-challenges-long-wait-000015562.html

[tgw]

"Wray: “A Russian government-linked generative AI social media bot farm, where they were posing as, among others, US persons… and trying again to sell various narratives, and in that case, very heavily focus on the war in Ukraine and trying to get everybody turned against each other.”

 

I wonder how many of those we have on this forum.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Here's an attack aircraft shell casing expert!  So, if a ground attack aircraft fires shells at ground positions what is it called?  

 

So we conclude Anton's English is better than yours? 

 

 

Generally called "firing". Your link doesn't work for me  so I can't talk about what is on it.

However, you'll have to do better before concluding anything.

 

BTW I think this site knows more about it than you or I and they refer to your "shells" as rounds, and when all is said and done a 30mm cannon just fires big bullets, or in correct military terminology "rounds".

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/?cf-view&cf-closed

 

 

I surprised you didn't mention Puff The Magic Dragon as that had actual artillery on it, but were you even in the armed forces to be trying to correct me?

 

BTW, here's an article about Puff, and please note the terminology used when referring to using the weapons.

 

The guns to be active for firing

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_AC-47_Spooky

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Generally called "firing". Your link doesn't work for me  so I can't talk about what is on it.

However, you'll have to do better before concluding anything.

 

BTW I think this site knows more about it than you or I and they refer to your "shells" as rounds, and when all is said and done a 30mm cannon just fires big bullets, or in correct military terminology "rounds".

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/?cf-view&cf-closed

 

 

I surprised you didn't mention Puff The Magic Dragon as that had actual artillery on it, but were you even in the armed forces to be trying to correct me?

 

BTW, here's an article about Puff, and please note the terminology used when referring to using the weapons.

 

The guns to be active for firing

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_AC-47_Spooky

Just for you...... note the term used.....you're welcome 

 

Russia boasted of shelling Ukraine with FAB-3000 bomb. Zelenskyy's team appeals to West

Today, the Russian Defense Ministry showed a video of a Su-34 striking Ukraine with a three-ton FAB-3000 bomb. In response, the Presidential Administration called on the West to allow enemy aircraft to be destroyed on Russian territory.

The head of the Presidential Administration Andriy Yermak noted that the Russian militants are launching these attacks from Su-34 aircraft based at airfields, which Ukraine must destroy to protect its people.

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-boasted-of-shelling-ukraine-with-fab-1720978205.html

[rabas]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Generally called "firing". Your link doesn't work for me  so I can't talk about what is on it.

However, you'll have to do better before concluding anything.

 

BTW I think this site knows more about it than you or I and they refer to your "shells" as rounds, and when all is said and done a 30mm cannon just fires big bullets, or in correct military terminology "rounds".

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/?cf-view&cf-closed

 

I surprised you didn't mention Puff The Magic Dragon as that had actual artillery on it, but were you even in the armed forces to be trying to correct me?

 

BTW, here's an article about Puff, and please note the terminology used when referring to using the weapons.

 

The guns to be active for firing

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_AC-47_Spooky

 

from your first reference on Warthog: 

"The 30-mm shell  has twice the range, half the time to target, and three times the mass of projectiles fired by guns mounted in comparable close air support aircraft."  Disproved yourself, they are shells.  

 

Your 2nd reference on Puff talks about bullets (7.62 NATO etc) and guns and says so:

" "gun" for the use of rifle ammunition as opposed to autocannon shells."  They are firing bullets, not shells.

 

But all your comments only distract from my first and only point, that you wrongly tried to discredit a well known, well placed Ukraine authority using trivial semantic arguments and false arguments of authority. Please forgo the trivia until you can address my point. 

[Mavideol]

really?? they were hoping to be welcomed ??? hummm tough life when reality hits

Kremlin Aide Slams US And UK's Nato Leadership For No Longer Seeking Alliance With Russia

https://au.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-aide-slams-us-uks-085840137.html

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia latest: Blow for Putin’s forces as Crimea airfield hit and Russia drone debris found in Romania

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-joint-033914158.html

[frank83628]

14 hours ago, tgw said:

"Wray: “A Russian government-linked generative AI social media bot farm, where they were posing as, among others, US persons… and trying again to sell various narratives, and in that case, very heavily focus on the war in Ukraine and trying to get everybody turned against each other.”

 

I wonder how many of those we have on this forum.

 

so, you do you think that only Russia would be involved in cyber war fair? you don't think the likes of google & facebook would also be pushing 1 narrative and restricting another? do you think all you are told is correct? r

 

you remember the WMDs right? Assad gassing his own people, right? Anthrax? remember all those stories that weere proved to be lies...but continue to believe those same politicians and news outlets this time?

[tgw]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

so, you do you think that only Russia would be involved in cyber war fair? you don't think the likes of google & facebook would also be pushing 1 narrative and restricting another? do you think all you are told is correct? r

 

you remember the WMDs right? Assad gassing his own people, right? Anthrax? remember all those stories that weere proved to be lies...but continue to believe those same politicians and news outlets this time?

 

As I wrote earlier, my position  on the fake WMD in Iraq is that some people should have gone to prison for that, including W, Rumsfeld, Blair, etc.
About Assad, I don't have all the facts.

 

The Russians are not the only ones engaged in cyber war, but the Russian's narrative is an ENEMY narrative and also FACTUALLY WRONG and MORALLY WRONG. So it needs to be eradicated.

 

I am also a proponent of calling out all lies of any side.

The most danger at the moment comes from pro-Russian narratives propagated by trolls, useful idiots, traitors, paid operatives and bots.

Edited July 27 by tgw

[frank83628]

48 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

As I wrote earlier, my position  on the fake WMD in Iraq is that some people should have gone to prison for that, including W, Rumsfeld, Blair, etc.
About Assad, I don't have all the facts.

 

The Russians are not the only ones engaged in cyber war, but the Russian's narrative is an ENEMY narrative and also FACTUALLY WRONG and MORALLY WRONG. So it needs to be eradicated.

 

I am also a proponent of calling out all lies of any side.

The most danger at the moment comes from pro-Russian narratives propagated by trolls, useful idiots, traitors, paid operatives and bots.

after the lies of the WMDS etc, i am skeptical when it comes to western media. yes, i agree, Blaire, bush etc should all be prisoned, but they never will be, i find it hypocritical when western media attacks a leader of an 'enemy' country and suggests that they are war criminals or oppressing/killing their own people when the US led wars have killed and displaced 100 of millions over recent history and their leaders & politicians walk freely... some earning millions for speaking events and book deals. 

 

i think its also hypocritical to to call Russias narrative FACTUALLY WRONG and MORALLY WRONG when the US, uk and nato have so much blood on their hands. ask Libyans how they feel about 'the west', pretty sure they'd side with Putin & Russia over US & UK.

 

at th end of the day Putin has he reasons, gave warnings, US & nato ignored it and the war started. could have end after a couple of months but the negotiations were stopped by Boris Johnson, thats is a fact!

, whats not talked about is all the resources  Ukraine sits on, that will being going to all the US corps and others that gave aid, Ukrainian citizens will not benefit whatsoever the country will be in debt forever.... but Putins bad and must be eradicated!

 

 

 

 

Edited July 27 by frank83628