Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[frank83628]

11 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Russian courts be like Thai courts - the outcome is never in doubt. Apparently the most popular search engine in Russia is Yandex which was sold cheap to a Russian consortium. As Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.”

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68213191

 

Putin seizes $100m from Google to fund Russia’s war machine  - Bailiffs funnel tech giant’s cash to pay for war propaganda

 

https://archive.is/SqVCQ#selection-2403.4-2407.66

good the US seized Russian assets and gave them to Ukrainke, som nom nah!

[Bkk Brian]

48 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

well there you go, why would you want to hear the other side, when you can just accept everything you are told.

There are only one set of facts.

[thaibeachlovers]

41 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The final verdict, Savill predicted, would depend on the “cost Ukraine has to pay” for its lightning cross-border assault. If the operation forces Russia to “thin out” its front line and “creates a sea change in international support, with renewed equipment for Ukraine and a change in the caveats about its use of western long-range weapons in Russia, that would also be a win”, he said.

That plays both ways. If Ukraine ups the missile attacks inside Russia it will result in more Russian missile attacks and we know what the targets will likely be. If Russia gets punished too much IMO it is more likely that tactical nukes will be used and if that happens it's anyone's guess how it ends up.

 

In case anyone missed it this is what escalation looks like.

 

Round and round we go and where we end up nobody knows.

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That plays both ways. If Ukraine ups the missile attacks inside Russia it will result in more Russian missile attacks and we know what the targets will likely be. If Russia gets punished too much IMO it is more likely that tactical nukes will be used and if that happens it's anyone's guess how it ends up.

 

In case anyone missed it this is what escalation looks like.

 

Round and round we go and where we end up nobody knows.

Yes nobody missed anything with you. Russia can escalate but not Urkraine

[beautifulthailand99]

50 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There are only one set of facts.

Reminds me of the famous Groucho Marx qoute "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." !

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Reminds me of the famous Groucho Marx qoute "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." !

Off topic insensitive nonsense. I was referring to the documented facts of the atrocities in Bucha.

[beautifulthailand99]

The supposition that the Russian economy is on their knees , they are out of ammo , men , missiles and tanks and that Putin will die/be toppled or such like are simply not true. It's day 900 and something and a country that in 2022 was deemed to be spent has just launched it's biggest ever attack on Ukrainian cities and infrastructure. This can go on indefinatley until Ukraine is effectively destroyed as a viable independent state  and Russia severely wounded. Which may just be what the US wants or accepts. They certainly don't want to go in on the ground or escalate their donations that's for sure. Nor does their second biggest donor Germany.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/aug/26/russia-ukraine-war-live-latest-updates

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13779759/Putin-unleashes-hell-Russia-pounds-Ukraine-biggest-rocket-salvos-war-Kyiv-cities-wave-strikes.html

 

Nationwide air raid alerts were triggered in the early hours as Ukraine's air defences sprang into action to shoot down a torrent of drones, which were launched as Moscow seeks revenge for Ukraine's invasion of its Kursk region.

The attacks kept coming, and hours later Ukraine's air force warned that Russia had deployed almost a dozen Tu-95 and six Tu-22M3 strategic bombers which let loose salvo after salvo of missiles.

MiG-31K warplanes - capable of firing fearsome Kinzhal supersonic missiles - and four naval vessels were also involved in the bombardment.

[Bkk Brian]

Russian missiles have flown into NATO space at least twice. That makes it legitimate to shoot them down from NATO territory - President of Poland Andrzej Duda. @AndrzejDuda
 added that discussions are ongoing in NATO regarding that and he hopes for a positive decision.

 

Of course, how dare they use Poland's airspace, knock them out of the sky while you can!

 

 

[Mavideol]

Old US Bradleys becoming 'legend' in Ukraine shows what the country can do when it gets enough of the weapons it needs

https://www.yahoo.com/news/old-us-bradleys-becoming-legend-091801778.html

 

[rabas]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

anyone can edit wiki. 

That sounds like Russian propaganda. 

 

No, not the way you suggest. Everyone can edit Wiki and all edits are recorded in perpetuity. As soon as you add your pro-Putin propaganda, responsible community members will fix it and you too will be recorded in perpetuity along with discussions about your attempt.  That's one reason Russia's storied propaganda machine hasn't made headway into Wiki. 

 

Reference: Wikipedia:You can and cannot change Wikipedia

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Off topic response removed. Please ensure that if making any claims and asked for a link, you provide it to a credible source. Wiki and its sources are generally credible.

[beautifulthailand99]

 Zelensky concedes that Russia has dealt heavy damage to Ukraine's energy sector. He appeals for European nations to reach consensus and start shooting down enemy missiles over Ukraine, just like they did in the Middle East. He has now repeatedly called out the US (leader of NATO), the UK (the most war hawkish nation) and France (strategic leader of Europe) for failing to meet his expectations, in terms of weapon deliveries, air defenses and now consensus on escalation. If these three are letting him down, what hope does Ukraine even have? When the US used to boast of bombing countries back to the stone age it wasn't funny then and it isn't funny now.

 

 

[coolcarer]

Heroes behind the lines in enemy territory

 

How the covert Ukrainian resistance movement is operating behind Russian lines

Run by the Ukrainian special forces, this resistance movement is growing, according to its commander, who said any adult - old, young, male, female - can join. In an echo of Britain's Special Operations Executive that ran missions behind enemy lines during World War Two, the tasks of the Ukrainian resistance inside territory captured by Moscow include espionage, sabotage and "eliminating" Russian forces, the commander told Sky News.
He said the men and women of the resistance are active in Crimea as well as parts of southern and eastern Ukraine and have carried out jobs within Russia.

https://news.sky.com/story/how-the-covert-ukrainian-resistance-movement-is-operating-behind-russian-lines-13202230

[Seppius]

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The supposition that the Russian economy is on their knees , they are out of ammo , men , missiles and tanks and that Putin will die/be toppled or such like are simply not true. It's day 900 and something and a country that in 2022 was deemed to be spent has just launched it's biggest ever attack on Ukrainian cities and infrastructure. This can go on indefinatley until Ukraine is effectively destroyed as a viable independent state  and Russia severely wounded. Which may just be what the US wants or accepts. They certainly don't want to go in on the ground or escalate their donations that's for sure. Nor does their second biggest donor Germany.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/aug/26/russia-ukraine-war-live-latest-updates

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13779759/Putin-unleashes-hell-Russia-pounds-Ukraine-biggest-rocket-salvos-war-Kyiv-cities-wave-strikes.html

 

Nationwide air raid alerts were triggered in the early hours as Ukraine's air defences sprang into action to shoot down a torrent of drones, which were launched as Moscow seeks revenge for Ukraine's invasion of its Kursk region.

The attacks kept coming, and hours later Ukraine's air force warned that Russia had deployed almost a dozen Tu-95 and six Tu-22M3 strategic bombers which let loose salvo after salvo of missiles.

MiG-31K warplanes - capable of firing fearsome Kinzhal supersonic missiles - and four naval vessels were also involved in the bombardment.

Well here are 140 tons of ammo they won't be using

 

 

Ukraine Sank a Ship Carrying 140 Tons of Russian Ammunition

 

[beautifulthailand99]

As ever the superb Gideon Rachman calls it straight - I had the privilege to hear him speak live earlier this year and there is no better journalist alive today. Unfortunately for Z he doen't get the free pass that Israel gets and felt it at it's most acute when Netanhayu gave him the brush off when he wanted to make a post October 7th solidarity visit.

 

Ukraine has crossed Moscow’s and Washington’s red lines Zelenskyy is prepared to ignore Russia’s nuclear threats. But the Biden administration is still wary of escalating the war - Gideon Rachman -FINANCIAL TIMES

 

https://archive.is/WsAW2

 

In the aftermath of the Kursk incursion, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine has been contemptuous of the restraints that America has placed on Ukraine’s war efforts, denouncing the “naive, illusory concept of so-called red lines regarding Russia, which dominated the assessment of the war by some partners”. That view, said the Ukrainian president, has now “crumbled”.
But has it? The difference between the caution in Washington and the risk-taking in Kyiv reflects not just a difference in analysis about how far Vladimir Putin can be pushed. It is also a reflection of a subtle difference in war aims.
At the start of the conflict, President Joe Biden set his administration two goals. The first was to support Ukraine. But the second was to avoid world war three. If forced to choose between those two aims, the US would clearly choose the latter.

[coolcarer]

White House considering long range missiles for the F16s. Awesome!

 

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/37869

[coolcarer]

38 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Well here are 140 tons of ammo they won't be using

 

 

Ukraine Sank a Ship Carrying 140 Tons of Russian Ammunition

 

Another cap in hand trip to NK to see Rocket man 😂

[coolcarer]

It’s that time. HIMARS O CLOCK

 

 

[kwonitoy]

[beautifulthailand99]

With today’s strikes, Russia is intending to bring ordinary people in Ukraine back down to earth with a bump – reminding them, and politicians in western capitals, that the Kremlin still has the upper hand in this war - BBC

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg58p0d55dt

 

The message from Moscow: make no mistake, Russia can still inflict misery on the Ukrainian population whenever it chooses.

[Bkk Brian]

The spirit of Ukrainians "But we’re used to it and know we live in this dangerous situation, so we are not scared."

 

Gains in Russian territory shape Ukraine independence celebrations

Along with all Ukrainians celebrating their Independence Day, 19-year-old student Yuliia Vyshnivska had been warned of an increased threat of Russian strikes.

But it had not stopped her and hundreds of others making their way up to an exposed rooftop for an open-air musical display of defiance in the heart of Kyiv.

“I heard on the radio the Americans were warning that the Russians will bomb you today, and I was like, ‘Oh my God, they want to kill us'," she said, as the setting sun illuminated the patterns of her traditional outfit, the vyshyvanka.

"But we’re used to it and know we live in this dangerous situation, so we are not scared."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmwx99lgpgo

[Denim]

Latest ground maps of both sides gains. Ukraine still inching forwards in Kursk and Russians doing the same further south.

Russia has not yet moved forces from its main front to reinforce Kursk indicating that they are in no rush to eject the Ukrainians from Russian territory.

 

 

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[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Denim said:

Latest ground maps of both sides gains. Ukraine still inching forwards in Kursk and Russians doing the same further south.

Russia has not yet moved forces from its main front to reinforce Kursk indicating that they are in no rush to eject the Ukrainians from Russian territory.

 

 

Russia has not yet moved forces from its main front to reinforce Kursk indicating that they are in no rush to eject the Ukrainians from Russian territory.

 

Given there is no army hiding and waiting to follow up the invasion, seems to me that this was Zelensky's Battle of the Bulge, a last gasp before the inevitable end.

Russia can leave them there till their supplies run out.

 

In my and other's opinion, this was an attempt to divert good troops from the big prize in the east, but Russia didn't take the bait. Once Pokrovsk falls the end can't be far off.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

He appeals for European nations to reach consensus and start shooting down enemy missiles over Ukraine, just like they did in the Middle East. He has now repeatedly called out the US (leader of NATO), the UK (the most war hawkish nation) and France (strategic leader of Europe) for failing to meet his expectations, in terms of weapon deliveries, air defenses and now consensus on escalation.

Shouldn't have trusted them.

Now all Zelensky can do is rage impotently as Ukraine burns.

 

I for one hope they don't be so foolish as to become directly involved- that's a straight path to MAD.

[Mavideol]

Russian President in free fall

 

Russian President in free fall (msn.com)

[Mavideol]

Ukraine's strategy mystifies Russian army

 

Ukraine's strategy mystifies Russian army (msn.com)

[Mavideol]

hope they don't run out of meat cannon feeder and/or money

"The war with Ukraine will last more than 10 years"

 

"The war with Ukraine will last more than 10 years" (msn.com)

 

[Mavideol]

The invasion of Kursk was dangerous but has provided many surprising benefits

 

The invasion of Kursk was dangerous but has provided many surprising benefits (msn.com)

[beautifulthailand99]

19 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

hope they don't run out of meat cannon feeder and/or money

"The war with Ukraine will last more than 10 years"

 

"The war with Ukraine will last more than 10 years" (msn.com)

 

Medevev apart from being a nototious alcoholic is taken seriously by literally no-one.