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1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

A heart attack is different to cardiac arrest. A heart attack is a myocardial infarction which is caused by a blockage to the heart so oxygenated blood can't get to the heart and a cardiac arrest is more of an electronic failing leading to the heart muscles failing to beat properly or stop beating altogether.

But the journalist who reported what you say they reported could not know why the reason why the heart stopped.  So the kind of Cardiac Arrest could not be dermined in the amount of time since the accident and your post.

 

And technically.  Cardiac means Heart and Arrest means stop.   So...

 

In any case, the person is dead because of the accident.  Perhaps if they knew they had a bad heart, they know how to control their condition.  The accident takes control away from them.

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Press release from Suvarnabhumi Airport regarding the emergency landing by a Singapore Airlines flight: 

 

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1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Why post something you obviously don't understand at all.  As pointed out already, they are not the same.

 

Cardiac means what?  Heart, right?  Arrest means what?  To stop, right?

 

In the amount of time since the accident and the post I responded too, that would be all the information a journalist would know to report.  If it were a blockage or something else, they would have to cut the body open and do a full report to determine that.

 

All we can possibly know is their heart stopped and they are dead.

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16 minutes ago, Parker2100 said:

But the journalist who reported what you say they reported could not know why the reason why the heart stopped.  So the kind of Cardiac Arrest could not be dermined in the amount of time since the accident and your post.

 

And technically.  Cardiac means Heart and Arrest means stop.   So...

 

In any case, the person is dead because of the accident.  Perhaps if they knew they had a bad heart, they know how to control their condition.  The accident takes control away from them.

The actual cause of death has not been released so if it was his heart then it could've been heart failure, a cardiac arrest or a myocardial infarction (heart attack). Three seperate conditions.

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22 minutes ago, impulse said:

If the seatbelt sign is on for 13 hours, you never know when it's safe to hit the head and avoid soiling the seat.

 

Yes, I find that annoying too. Of course, whenever you hear "Cabin crew take your seats!" you know when you should definitely not go to the lavatory.

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2 hours ago, Georgealbert said:


Sorry but not sure what reports you are reading, but every news site reports that he is suspected to have had a “myocardial infarction”.

 

This incident did not occur on landing, the aircraft was a full flight height and hit some form of turbulence. Passengers not wearing seat belts were thrown around the cabin.

 

The pilot declared an emergency and diverted to Bangkok so the passengers could receive medical attention.

 

 

 

It is extremely unlikely that they would have had a heart attack had the accident not occurred.  Therefore, the death is caused by the accident.  Right?

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2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The actual cause of death has not been released so if it was his heart then it could've been heart failure, a cardiac arrest or a myocardial infarction (heart attack). Three seperate conditions.

Heart Attack is a general term that does not indicate any specific form of Cardiac Arrest.

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1 minute ago, Parker2100 said:

 

It is extremely unlikely that they would have had a heart attack had the accident not occurred.  Therefore, the death is caused by the accident.  Right?

Conjecture but likely. This is what autopsies are for. Expert analysis on cause of death.

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5 minutes ago, Parker2100 said:

 

Cardiac means what?  Heart, right?  Arrest means what?  To stop, right?

 

In the amount of time since the accident and the post I responded too, that would be all the information a journalist would know to report.  If it were a blockage or something else, they would have to cut the body open and do a full report to determine that.

 

All we can possibly know is their heart stopped and they are dead.

The cause of death will not be fully determined until a post mortem has been completed.

 

It is not clear if the post mortem will be done in Thailand or the UK, as technically this was not a death in Thailand. It could also be done by both countries.

 

Singapore Airline will be arranging the repatriation of the body, but timing will depend on the condition of his wife and if and when she is able to fly.

 

The family with be talking to the Singapore response team, British Embassy and Thai officials on how to proceed.

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6 minutes ago, Parker2100 said:

 

It is extremely unlikely that they would have had a heart attack had the accident not occurred.  Therefore, the death is caused by the accident.  Right?

That is best left to medical and legal experts to determine, as compensation will follow.

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3 minutes ago, Parker2100 said:

Heart Attack is a general term that does not indicate any specific form of Cardiac Arrest.

Ok you are right and the following info is obviously wrong. Please pay close attention to point 1 in the 5 differences.

Myocardial infarction (MI), colloquially known as "heart attack," is caused by decreased or complete cessation of blood flow to a portion of the myocardium.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537076/#:~:text=Myocardial infarction (MI)%2C colloquially,hemodynamic deterioration and sudden death.

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/medical/heart-attack-and-cardiac-arrest

5 differences between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest: (Remember a heart attack is technically known as a myocardial infarction)

  1. A heart attack is not the same as a cardiac arrest.
  2. A heart attack is when one of the coronary arteries becomes blocked. The heart muscle is robbed of its vital blood supply and, if left untreated, will begin to die because it is not getting enough oxygen.
  3. A cardiac arrest is when a person’s heart stops pumping blood around their body and they stop breathing normally.
  4. Many cardiac arrests in adults happen because of a heart attack. This is because a person who is having a heart attack may develop a dangerous heart rhythm, which can cause a cardiac arrest.
  5. A heart attack and a cardiac arrest are both emergency situations. Call 999 straight away.
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Bay of Bengal-tigers will get you every time... continuous turbulence flying through that area and never take off my seat belt  

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1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Conjecture but likely. This is what autopsies are for. Expert analysis on cause of death.

 

Extremely unlikely at that time.  We agree on that, right?

 

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Singapore Airlines passengers share their experiences of mid-air turmoil at 37,000 feet

 

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As of this morning, 79 passengers and six crew members are still in Bangkok, Thailand, receiving treatment for injuries they suffered during severe turbulence on a Singapore Airlines flight.

 

The incident occurred on May 21 during flight SQ321, en route from London to Singapore. The plane encountered the drastic turbulence about ten hours into the journey, while flying over the northern Andaman Sea near Myanmar's coast.

 

The turbulence resulted in an unexpected drop of approximately 6,000 feet in three minutes, causing disarray within the plane. Passengers and items were tossed around, resulting in numerous injuries and damage to the plane's structure. At the time of the incident, breakfast was being served onboard.

 

Dzafran Azmir, a 28-year-old passenger, described seeing fellow passengers being thrown against the ceiling before landing unevenly, some even crashing onto the floor. He noted that several individuals suffered serious head injuries and concussions.

 

An Australian passenger, Teandra Tukhunen, recounted being flung against the cabin's roof and subsequently onto the floor, causing her injuries. She stated that the turbulence hit shortly after the 'fasten seat belts' sign was illuminated, giving passengers little time to protect themselves.

 

The sudden air disturbance reportedly resulted in the death of a 73-year-old British man named Geoffrey Kitchen, who was a retired insurance professional and musical theatre director. He and his wife were on a six-week trip, intending to visit multiple countries. Due to the accident, the flight was forced to divert to Bangkok.

 

In Bangkok, technicians examined the plane after an emergency landing, finding that the 15-year-old Boeing 777-300 appeared unscathed despite the chaos inside.

 

Later, a relief flight carried 131 passengers and 12 crew members to Singapore, arriving at Changi Airport at 5am today. There, family members were waiting to greet the shaken passengers.

 

Currently, the aforementioned 79 passengers and six crew members remain in Bangkok to receive medical treatment for their injuries.

 

This rare air travel incident has negatively affected many passengers, with one saying he has no immediate plans to fly again.

 

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Posted
20 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Today's Sherlock Holmes!

Solves all mysteries without ever being at the (crime) scene!

Pure conjecture on your part!

Not pure conjecture at all. It's exactly what was described by the eye witnesses, one of whom was already quoted in this thread, by @Stocky.

 

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Dzafran Azmir, 28, told Reuters:

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Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it.

 

 

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Several off-topic, argumentative, and petty bickering posts and replies have been removed as they were in violation of our Community Standards.

 

Should the protagonists continue... your posting rights may be removed... be warned.

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This analysis of the flight data says this may have been a very short, sudden event that occurred quickly.

 

“So there was a rollercoaster event for two or three seconds, which caused the carnage we have all seen, but then they have subsequently descended to get the aircraft to a safe spot.”


Quote from Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) Vice President and Qantas pilot Mark Hofmeyer.

 

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/aipa-vp-and-qantas-pilot-mark-hofmeyer-talks-singapore-airlines-flight-sq321/news-story/c693b0b0cc5ad2edf535623464fd88eb

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Are defribillators and oxygen bags (manual resuscitators) onboard passenger planes with cabin crew trained in their use along with CPR? If not this may be something that needs to happen. If this poor bloke did have a cardiac arrest maybe trained staff could have got his heart beating again.

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