Chomper Higgot Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Israel supporting a non terrorist group Hamas 20 years ago is very different to Spain/Ireland/Norway supporting Hamas the terror group today Spain/Ireland/Norway are not ‘supporting Hamas’. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Israel supporting a non terrorist group Hamas 20 years ago is very different to Spain/Ireland/Norway supporting Hamas the terror group today Oh, rumination comes to mind, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Spain/Ireland/Norway are not ‘supporting Hamas’. Who do they recognise as the Palestine government ? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Who do they recognise as the Palestine government ? They are recognizing Palestine. Do you need to have the difference between ‘Palestine’ and ‘Hamas’ explained to you? One is recognized as a nation, the other very explicitly recognized as a terrorist organization. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: They are recognizing Palestine. Do you need to have the difference between ‘Palestine’ and ‘Hamas’ explained to you? One is recognized as a nation, the other very explicitly recognized as a terrorist organization. Who will they be dealing with when speaking to the Palestine Government ? I have noticed that since the Norway/ Spain /Ireland announcement all the Palestinian supporters are moving away from Hamas . Quietly shuffling their feet over a bit to put some distance between themselves and Hamas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Who will they be dealing with when speaking to the Palestine Government ? I have noticed that since the Norway/ Spain /Ireland announcement all the Palestinian supporters are moving away from Hamas . Quietly shuffling their feet over a bit to put some distance between themselves and Hamas Trolling at its best aint you you didnt answer my reply to you about Messiah/Jesus Edited May 23 by Hummin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 3 minutes ago, Hummin said: Trolling at its best aint you you didnt answer my reply to you about Messiah/Jesus It is a genuine question . Who will Spain/Ireland/Norway be dealing with when dealing with a Palestine Government ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: It is a genuine question . Who will Spain/Ireland/Norway be dealing with when dealing with a Palestine Government ? Thats a far shot, and not going to be while the war is going on, but after the war is over. They simply said, reqonizing palestinians right to have their own state! But again, I think that is not realistic anymore and way to late and a very naiv idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Just now, Hummin said: Thats a far shot, and not going to be while the war is going on, but after the war is over. They simply said, reqonizing palestinians right to have their own state! But again, I think that is not realistic anymore and way to late and a very naiv idea. No they didnt , they stated that they recognise a Palestine state NOW and they will take measures to normalise relations . They will need to talk to someone to arrange things like embassies and whatever . Who will they be talking to ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: Who will they be dealing with when speaking to the Palestine Government ? I have noticed that since the Norway/ Spain /Ireland announcement all the Palestinian supporters are moving away from Hamas . Quietly shuffling their feet over a bit to put some distance between themselves and Hamas You’ve noticed nothing of the sort. You’ve dreamed it up. I and many others on this forum have frequently stated Hamas are a terrorist organization, their terrorist attack was an obscenity and their taking/holding hostages is a war crime. So away with you and your disgraceful and baseless accusations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: No they didnt , they stated that they recognise a Palestine state NOW and they will take measures to normalise relations . They will need to talk to someone to arrange things like embassies and whatever . Who will they be talking to ? A bit different from Støres news intervju yesterday, but I guess those three countries had meetings between themselves among other countries joining the next weeks or months. Measuring the impact of those three braking the news now! https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/05/22/what-irish-recognition-for-the-state-of-palestine-means-and-how-it-happened/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You’ve noticed nothing of the sort. You’ve dreamed it up. I and many others on this forum have frequently stated Hamas are a terrorist organization, their terrorist attack was an obscenity and their taking/holding hostages is a war crime. So away with you and your disgraceful and baseless accusations. Shouldn't really be necessary, but thats their way of constantly hammering the same over and over, without aknownledging Isreals responsibility leading to the final terrorists attacks. When Isreal being seen and treated as Russia, we can start talking about progress. Two evils doesnt make one right 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niccodemi Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 hours ago, riclag said: I agree wholeheartedly with your statement! This is uncharted territory,nations appeasing ( giving in) to terror , all to maintain world peace! Its UNHEARD-OF . Some of the people are really so naive. Israeli Jews used similar tactics when they were fighting for their own country. " Terrorism: a Tactical Weapon for Strategic Purposes 6 The Jewish underground groups launched their insurgency against the British on 31 October 1945 with a series of coordinated attacks against the railways, oil refineries, and police boats. The anti-British insurgency continued for nearly two years, in two phases. The first, often referred to as the "United Resistance" phase, lasted from October 1945 to August 1946. During this period, the three groups attempted to coordinate their actions against the British, but political and strategic disagreements precluded a wholly united front. The Haganah used violence as a pressure tactic to persuade the British to change their policy on Jewish immigration into Palestine. So, it limited its attacks mostly to targets related to anti-immigration efforts, such as coastal radar stations and police boats. But it also sabotaged the railway as a way of imposing economic pressure on the British. The Irgun and Stern groups, however, were committed to all-out "national liberation" wars. They did not believe that the British would give Palestine to the Jews and thus were determined to force them out. They tried to increase the human and political costs to Britain of remaining in Palestine by attacking British troops and police, military bases and police stations, oil refineries, trains, bridges, and banks. Between them, the three groups carried out 78 attacks in the nine months after October 1945. However, the united resistance dissolved after the Irgun blew up the British administration headquarters in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in July 1946, killing 92 people. Following that disaster, which was a grave embarrassment to the moderate Zionists, the Haganah effectively withdrew from armed operations. Unrestrained by the need for a united front, the Irgun and the Stern Gang rapidly escalated the levels of violence nearly four-fold in this second phase, carrying out 286 attacks over the next twelve months. Casualties exceeded 1,000 over the whole two-year period.6" https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/jcs/article/view/10538/11136 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Hummin said: A bit different from Støres news intervju yesterday, but I guess those three countries had meetings between themselves among other countries joining the next weeks or months. Measuring the impact of those three braking the news now! https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/05/22/what-irish-recognition-for-the-state-of-palestine-means-and-how-it-happened/ Ah, that is indeed interesting . Ireland will recognise the P.A as the Palestinian Government . The P.A and Hamas have been fighting each other for control of Gaza . Hamas could soon be at war with Ireland , as Ireland support their rival, the P.A 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 22 minutes ago, niccodemi said: Some of the people are really so naive. Israeli Jews used similar tactics when they were fighting for their own country. We have been asked many many times to stop giving history lessons and to stay on topic . Every thread just ends up in history lessons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: You’ve noticed nothing of the sort. You’ve dreamed it up. I and many others on this forum have frequently stated Hamas are a terrorist organization, their terrorist attack was an obscenity and their taking/holding hostages is a war crime. So away with you and your disgraceful and baseless accusations. So, do you agree with the IDF's actions of going after the Hamas war criminals in Gaza and eliminating them and freeing the hostages ? Numerous posters on here have also stated that Hamas are freedom fighters and the hostages are prisoners of war , and it seems like they are now turning their back on Hamas 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: We have been asked many many times to stop giving history lessons and to stay on topic . Every thread just ends up in history lessons History has a tendency to repeat itself! That's why I do not support my government acknowledge of the palestinian state now, because of the precedence it sets for future. Terrorism should not pay off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 5 hours ago, Hummin said: When Isreal being seen and treated as Russia, we can start talking about progress. Two evils doesnt make one right The Ukraine was invaded by Russia Israel was invaded by Palestine . Russia and Palestine are the invaders . Ukraine and Israel are fighting back against the invaders . Israel are just faring better now than Ukraine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niccodemi Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: The Ukraine was invaded by Russia Israel was invaded by Palestine . Russia and Palestine are the invaders . Ukraine and Israel are fighting back against the invaders . Israel are just faring better now than Ukraine Right and Israel has not been occupying Palestinian territories for 50+ years ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 22 hours ago, Hummin said: Still I do not agree with the timing, and totally dissagree with the goverment for doing so now! But I see the press around the world, and it is as expected completely taken out of perspective and meaning behind the action. They did so as a rebuke to israel for it's war crimes and crimes against humanity, IMO. They probably know nothing will improve life for the Palestinians as long as the US uses the veto to cover for israeli atrocities. This is probably the only thing that they could realistically do for Palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 22 minutes ago, niccodemi said: Right and Israel has not been occupying Palestinian territories for 50+ years ... That makes no difference to the Palestinians , they view all the land as being occupied 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: The Ukraine was invaded by Russia Israel was invaded by Palestine . Russia and Palestine are the invaders . Ukraine and Israel are fighting back against the invaders . Israel are just faring better now than Ukraine Are we really going back to this? Israel have done nothing, just defending themselves? 13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: The Ukraine was invaded by Russia Israel was invaded by Palestine . Russia and Palestine are the invaders . Ukraine and Israel are fighting back against the invaders . Israel are just faring better now than Ukraine I see it different than you, as we have discussed several times in other treads. And it is because of the history behind the latest aknownledge of palestine right to be a state or as latest news state. Full aknownledge as a state because of latest terror attack and war! Terrorism should not be rewarded! History repeats itself! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted May 24 Popular Post Share Posted May 24 (edited) 22 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: Wait right there . Israel did support Hamas BEFORE the terror attack . Israel supported Hamas 20 odd years ago when they were the good guys doing beneficial things for Gazans Ireland, Spain and Norway support Hamas AFTER the terror attack . There's a huge difference between supporting a non terrorist group and supporting a terrorist group What utter nonsense. Israel imposed on embargo on Gaza when Hamas won the election in 2007. Because it explicitly said that Hamas was a terrorist organizaion. It helped support Qatar when it was giving aid to Hamas to the tune of 30 million dollars a month. Netanyahu said he was doing that to prop up Hamas against the PA. Hamas needed that propping because it had become so unpopular in Gaza. Stop making things up. Edited May 24 by placeholder 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hummin Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: They did so as a rebuke to israel for it's war crimes and crimes against humanity, IMO. They probably know nothing will improve life for the Palestinians as long as the US uses the veto to cover for israeli atrocities. This is probably the only thing that they could realistically do for Palestine. Should had been long time ago, or later after this war was over! I think it is to late for a two state solution, especially thinking of the geografi of the land pieces left for Palestinians, and how Israel never can trust the Palestinians. Just to mention, the 1948/49 map of boarders is impossible to secure. Israel was doomed before it got started. Cant believe anyone believed it was strategic possible to secure peace with those borders. Cant believe anyone believed this would work, same as today some believe a two state solution is possible based on the pieces left, because Israel will never go back to 1967 boarders. Borders explained here. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 19 minutes ago, placeholder said: What utter nonsense. Israel imposed on embargo on Gaza when Hamas won the election in 2007. Because it explicitly said that Hamas was a terrorist organizaion. It helped support Qatar when it was giving aid to Hamas to the tune of 30 million dollars a month. Netanyahu said he was doing that to prop up Hamas against the PA. Hamas needed that propping because it had become so unpopular in Gaza. Stop making things up. That doesn't actually actually have anything to do with what I posted . Your claims that I an making things up are untrue and I didn't post nonsense 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 23 minutes ago, placeholder said: What utter nonsense. Israel imposed on embargo on Gaza when Hamas won the election in 2007. Because it explicitly said that Hamas was a terrorist organizaion. It helped support Qatar when it was giving aid to Hamas to the tune of 30 million dollars a month. Netanyahu said he was doing that to prop up Hamas against the PA. Hamas needed that propping because it had become so unpopular in Gaza. Stop making things up. Actually Israel only helped facilitate money to Hamas from 2018 to 2023. Qatar was very able to do it on its own before then as it remains to this day. Hamas getting finances is not a problem, just ask Iran. How unpopular was Hamas in 2018 when Israel starting facilitating it with the knowledge of the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: That doesn't actually actually have anything to do with what I posted . Your claims that I an making things up are untrue and I didn't post nonsense You can say when someone is very biased and selective when it comes to facts. Not willing to look at leading and historical reasons for what we experience today! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Actually Israel only helped facilitate money to Hamas from 2018 to 2023. Qatar was very able to do it on its own before then as it remains to this day. Hamas getting finances is not a problem, just ask Iran. How unpopular was Hamas in 2018 when Israel starting facilitating it with the knowledge of the US? Unpopular enough that Netanyahu felt he had intervene to help shore up Hamas' popularity. That's how unpopular. Really? Hamas was getting all the aid it wanted from Iran? It didn't want any more? You got some evidence to support that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: That doesn't actually actually have anything to do with what I posted . Your claims that I an making things up are untrue and I didn't post nonsense You claimed that Israel supported Hamas when it was doing good. Right from the start, Hamas called for the eradication of Israel. In fact, its earlier constitution was blatantly genocidal. Yet Israel supported it? Really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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