Trump found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records

[Andre0720]

OMG.

He paid for the services of a lady.

Anyone here would never do that?

He falsified documents in his financial favor.

Anyone here would never do such a thing?. Like cheating a little bit in an income tax declaration....😊

 

So I suppose it is all about the magnitude, and when dealing with someone at the top, running for a presidential election, well, things get into larger scales....

[Captain Monday]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Imagine the silence from the Trump fans while they wait for their updated talking points.

I even tuned into a California FOX station

Standing by while they run a long infomercial to get the punch sheet from Headquarters

 

 

 

[HappyExpat57]

24 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

If the cult didn't exist, the Repubs could have a cakewalk to the White House by choosing a non-convicted felon candidate. The cult runs too deep, however. Own goal.

 

GUARANTEED the convicted felon will become even more deranged, violent and bizarre as we move forward. That is going to alienate more swing voters than the conviction itself. The cult is going to stay with him no matter what, just as members of his cult here are doing. Swing voters, however, are key.

 

Had the convicted felon not installed his daughter-in-law as head of the RNC, rationality and pragmatism might have entered and Repubs would have dropped him and chosen Haley or DeSantis of someone who could beat Biden.

This is a FACT. A moldy ham sandwich would beat Biden right now. Poll after poll shows this, little variance. It is the stubborn MAGA cult behavior that is shooting themselves in the foot. They're making their bed.

 

How do they say ity in Thailand? Oh yeah - sum num na.

[pomchop]

4 minutes ago, theblether said:

All Trump has to do is announce criminal justice reform and a minimum of 30% of black voters will support him. 

 

However, it has been my long-held opinion that the US justice system is cruel and absurd. The strange thing is, the Democrats broadly agree. The foundation of the US system is legalistic bullying and plea deals. Plead guilty to X and you'll get 5 years, dare ask for a jury trial and we'll land you with ten more charges and you'll be looking at 25 years. 

 

Each and every one of us has seen that play out. 

 

The idea that people can be sentenced to 600 years in jail is the definition of moronic. In the UK the maximum sentence is whole life. And we give legal aid so that people have a chance of a fair trial. 

 

The ghost of King Pyrrhus is wandering around today. Some "victories" just ain't worth it. And before the TDS Brigade launches into frothing attacks - I'm of the opinion that other criminal investigations against Trump had more merit. This one is farcical. 

 

 

Farcial?  The jury who reviewed documents, text messages, emails, video and audio tapes and listened to the first hand testimony of republican after republican and then voted unanimously to convict donnie apparently think he is guily as charged. 

 

Too bad the various other judges in 4 more criminal indictments for even more serious felonies have allowed trump to make a mockery of the judicial system with frivoluous motions and delays.  If a few of these judges had a set of gonads we would have the even more serious criminal trials before the election and donnie would lkely be wearing an orange suit by halloween.

[BKKKevin]

Proud day for us Americans!

[HappyExpat57]

18 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't like Trump and Trump voters (in general), and I would love to see him in prison.

But I understand that this guilty verdict will do little to his popularity.

 

What did he really do? He f#$#$ someone who was not his wife and he paid to cover this up. I wonder how many politicians did that already. And how many of those other politicians were dragged to court about that and convicted?

This case is totally blown out of proportion.

 

Why don't American prosecutors spend more effort to convict him of real crimes like his involvement in the 6-Jan insurrection?

 

And then there are his voters. Why do about 70,000,000 Americans think this serial liar is suitable for that job?

How is it possible that especially the bible thumpers love him? Does he do anything according to the bible?

 

America and Americans are just strange.

I guess in that way Trump is a good choice for them. One of them, who represents them.

I only feed sad from the decent Americans who have to live with that.

 

Perhaps you haven't been following the news. The convicted felon has three other serious crimes pending (Jan 6 is one of them), and between the Supreme Court and Judge Aileen Cannon, they have blocked the trials.

[stoner]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Quite the circle jerk with biden fans here. Let  the campaign begin now that Trump isn't tethered to a courtroom.

i put 2 condoms on before clicking on the thread. not disappointed at all. some crazy comments made already. 

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59 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

In a recent survey of dozens of cases brought by Manhattan District Attorney's Office in which falsifying business records was the most serious charge at arraignment, attorney and author Norm Eisen found that roughly one in 10 of those cases resulted in a sentence of incarceration.

 

" On the other hand, if you're saying he should be treated like any other defendant, we have a lot of data saying that 90% of other defendants would not get jail time in this situation."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-convicted-2024-race-dynamics/

 

In what percentage of those cases did the defendants repeatedly violate gag orders?

[HappyExpat57]

9 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

OMG.

He paid for the services of a lady.

Anyone here would never do that?

He falsified documents in his financial favor.

Anyone here would never do such a thing?. Like cheating a little bit in an income tax declaration....😊

 

So I suppose it is all about the magnitude, and when dealing with someone at the top, running for a presidential election, well, things get into larger scales....

 

This is sarcasm, yes?

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Haven’t lost syndrome 

Its a process!

No shock , No Awe 
It was always Dem party politics ,

played out by a dem prosecutor,& dem corrupt judge.

 

"If you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth?"

Donald J. Trump

[UWEB]

Lock him up!

[theblether]

5 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Farcial?  The jury who reviewed documents, text messages, emails, video and audio tapes and listened to the first hand testimony of republican after republican and then voted unanimously to convict donnie apparently think he is guily as charged. 

 

Too bad the various other judges in 4 more criminal indictments for even more serious felonies have allowed trump to make a mockery of the judicial system with frivoluous motions and delays.  If a few of these judges had a set of gonads we would have the even more serious criminal trials before the election and donnie would lkely be wearing an orange suit by halloween.

 

Farcical. There's no way this survives an appeal. It doesn't matter now anyway, it can't be appealed before the election due to the sentencing date. 

 

And I said already, I think there's more merit in the other cases. This one is a joke. A very poor joke. 

[tgw]

Lock him up, drain the swamp !

[poyai111]

3 words to summarize for those afflicted with TDS:

"Watch the polls" - there's the verdict!

[Andre0720]

13 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

This is sarcasm, yes?

Just answer the 2 questions....

"

He paid for the services of a lady.

Anyone here would never do that?

He falsified documents in his financial favor.

Anyone here would never do such a thing?"

 

[jerrymahoney]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In what percentage of those cases did the defendants repeatedly violate gag orders?

Probably none.

 

Then again ...

 

Records from the New York Division of Criminal Justice Services show 10 years ago, 101 people were arrested in New York City in cases where the top charge was falsification of business records. But In 2022, just 39 people faced that top charge. And last year in Manhattan, only 2 people were arrested in cases where falsifying business records was the most serious charge.

 

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/i-team-falsification-of-business-records-rarely-the-top-charge-on-ny-indictments/4222710/

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

and De-NIAL is a river in Egypt. Ask Gamma if you don't believe me.

 

https://people.com/politics/people-explains-all-about-chappaquiddick-the-shocking-kennedy-scandal-that-left-one-woman-dead/

girl died in car crash caused by Ted Kennedy. His pals got him off the hook. 

no autopsy was performed on the girl. 

 

Sigh. De-Nile. The river is called the "Nile River". It's one of the largest rivers in the world and played a major part in the Judeo-Christian religion along with the Tigris and Euphrates.

I shudder to think of how you might spell "Euphrates". 

Just a helpful hint - your misspelled rants and "whataboutism" going all the way back to Ted Kennedy (LOL! FYI, he dead) aren't exactly demonstrating your mental acuity.

[tgw]

1 minute ago, Purdey said:

He immediately went up 14% in the polls. 

 

please include a source

or is it false information ?

[tgw]

1 minute ago, Andre0720 said:

Just answer the 2 questions....

"

He paid for the services of a lady.

Anyone here would never do that?

He falsified documents in his financial favor.

Anyone here would never do such a thing?"

 

 

while you are deflecting, you could also have asked if he breathed air or ever went to poop

[Hanaguma]

23 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Are you KIDDING? Mountains of dead bodies piling up unneccessarily because the convicted felon wouldn't face the truth?

 

Your memory seems to be all "Foxxed" up.

You might want to check the numbers. Under Trump, inflation was lower, gas prices were lower, unemployment for minorities was at a historical low, housing was affordable, interest rates were lower, etc. These are the things people will remember.

 

As for the trial, I am still trying to find the crime.  He screwed around on his wife- not a crime. The whore contacted Trump's lawyer and wanted hush money- not a crime. The lawyer paid the money- not a crime. The money wasn't stolen or embezzled, AFAIK it was Trump's money.  

 

The big problem now is that the gag order put in place for the trial is no longer valid. Trump can campaign, can talk, and will appeal the conviction. Probably win that too, but at the moment it isn't important.

 

Trump being a dirtbag is baked into the pie by this point. I don't think a papershuffling conviction will do much to tarnish his image. 

[HappyExpat57]

3 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

Just answer the 2 questions....

"

He paid for the services of a lady.

Anyone here would never do that?

He falsified documents in his financial favor.

Anyone here would never do such a thing?"

 

 

One of the people who helped facilitate this crime served time.

 

Sorry, your premise doesn't fly. You are grasping at straws, a direct result of "Sore Loser Syndrome."

[metisdead]

Posts using derogatory and toxic nicknames or intentional misspelling of people’s names will be removed. If you don’t want your post to be removed, spell people’s names correctly, this applies to both sides of the political debate.

 

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[Walker88]

24 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

OMG.

He paid for the services of a lady.

Anyone here would never do that?

He falsified documents in his financial favor.

Anyone here would never do such a thing?. Like cheating a little bit in an income tax declaration....😊

 

So I suppose it is all about the magnitude, and when dealing with someone at the top, running for a presidential election, well, things get into larger scales....

I see you're a real Law and Order type.

 

If you read the indictment, now conviction, all will be clear. He engaged in fraud in service of another crime. In NY State that is a felony. A jury of his peers found the evidence compelling, so he is now a convicted felon. As for paying for the services of a lady...that did not happen. He paid to keep her quiet about services rendered. What he did with her is up to his 3rd wife to decaide if that is okay; the court was only concerned with the fraud involved in covering it up.

 

Do you have an opinion on whether any of us have stolen thousands of highly classified documents? Is that something anyone would do, and then lie about returning what he had no right to possess?

 

How about how many of us have called the SecState of Georgia and pressured him to engage in voter fraud?

 

How many of us fomented an insurrection by first calling our supporters to DC for 6 Jan 21, and then telling them to march to the Capitol and fight like hell?

 

I cannot speak for other members, but I have never done that, nor did I ever engage in a fake elector scheme to subvert the wishes of the American people.

[HappyExpat57]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You might want to check the numbers. Under Trump, inflation was lower, gas prices were lower, unemployment for minorities was at a historical low, housing was affordable, interest rates were lower, etc. These are the things people will remember.

 

As for the trial, I am still trying to find the crime.  He screwed around on his wife- not a crime. The whore contacted Trump's lawyer and wanted hush money- not a crime. The lawyer paid the money- not a crime. The money wasn't stolen or embezzled, AFAIK it was Trump's money.  

 

The big problem now is that the gag order put in place for the trial is no longer valid. Trump can campaign, can talk, and will appeal the conviction. Probably win that too, but at the moment it isn't important.

 

Trump being a dirtbag is baked into the pie by this point. I don't think a papershuffling conviction will do much to tarnish his image. 

 

I'm only addressing the last sentence of your erroneous blather, I don't have the time nor energy to show where your facts fail.

 

There is a large number of likely voters of ALL brands that have said they would not vote for him if he was convicted.

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, novacova said:

Equally remarkable is well educated people are so easily influenced and dumb down by the media. 

Certainly referring to yourself & fellow Trump sycophant cultists. Faux News addicts. Stay tuned...yo master has more to come.

[HappyExpat57]

8 minutes ago, poyai111 said:

3 words to summarize for those afflicted with TDS:

"Watch the polls" - there's the verdict!

 

And, as we all know, the only poll that matters comes in November. The rest is all bloviating and chest-beating, cherry picking for their respective candidate.

[Captain Monday]

28 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

This is a FACT. A moldy ham sandwich would beat Biden right now. Poll after poll shows this, little variance. It is the stubborn MAGA cult behavior that is shooting themselves in the foot. They're making their bed.

 

How do they say ity in Thailand? Oh yeah - sum num na.

Glad you believe that

If you are eligible to vote a swing state don’t bother then 

[Yagoda]

Anyone who supports the verdict in this farce of a case and doesnt acknowledge the fact that it will be reversed on appeal is an enemy to me and my family and my country.

 

 

 

 

[HappyExpat57]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Anyone who supports the verdict in this farce of a case and doesnt acknowledge the fact that it will be reversed on appeal is an enemy to me and my family and my country.

 

 

 

 

 

People who belong to the cult hive-mind think this way.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

I'm only addressing the last sentence of your erroneous blather, I don't have the time nor energy to show where your facts fail.

 

There is a large number of likely voters of ALL brands that have said they would not vote for him if he was convicted.

Perhaps. You may be right. But this, of all the indictments , is the most inoffensive and hardest for people to understand. There is no clear victim, no clear crime, etc.  It is also obviously the most political in nature.  So we shall see.