The Rise and Fall of Alex Jones: From Conspiracies to Courtrooms

[animalmagic]

21 minutes ago, johng said:

The aledged crimes of the other 2 are in no way comparable to the crime Alex Jones is charged with.

In fact Alex has in the past soundly rebuted charges mildly similar to the other 2...

3 letter agencies sent child porn to his email trying to frame him.

None of the crimes for all three can be described as 'alleged' as all were found guilty of the crimes they were charged with.  AJ's rebuttal of similar crimes is irrelevant, as is the fact that some crimes can be viewed as more heinous than others.  My original comment was to highlight that 'performers' perform and we do not know their real character until we see the evidence of crimes committed by them at a later stage.  The different crimes that Rolf and Jimmy were found guilty of were entirely different to those of AJ.  If I wanted to find a comparable instance of crimes committed by telling lies to all and sundry for personal gain, I should have used President 45!!

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Maybe he did but he was not the cause of those kids being killed that caused the pain those parents went through.  Those more responsible would be the NRA, the company that made the weapons, the government that allowed the weapons to be circulated, the person or shop that allowed someone to buy the weapons, and most of all the person who did the actual shooting.   Fining Alex Jones $1.5 billion does nothing at all to stop the next batch of parents suffering in the same way.   The fact that he was fined so much when his contribution to their pain is so insignificant in comparison to those I listed is ridiculous and just gives those who are more responsible yet another free pass.  

The Sandy Hook parents  sadness and misery was compounded by AJ and his lunatic followers. They were harassed for years and accused of either killing or hiding their own children, or the massacre just didn't happen. AJ is a monster and pure evil IMO and would sell his own mother for ratings.

[johng]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please accept my condolences, I’m sure these are difficult and worrying times.

Are you not worried about WWIII...

I demand 1.5 billion dollars for my worry.

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3 hours ago, johng said:

Alex Jones has been blatantly slandered far more times  just look at the article at the beginning of this thread...Alex has admitted he was wrong about Sandy Hook  he admitted it before the lawsuit/trial  and he apologised again during the trial... 1.5 billion dollar fine is nothing more than an attempt to shut him up.

 

And again Alex Jones did not kill the Sandy Hook kids  or anyone else.

 

Adam Lanza  did the shootings then killed himself  so no money from him  for the parents hurt feelings.

 

And when did he admit he was wrong? This is not a case of "oops". Jones persisted in pushing this lie for years. In fact, it was only a few days shy of 10 years that Jones admitted that the Sandy Hook shooting was real.

Alex Jones concedes that the Sandy Hook attack was '100% real'
UPDATED AUGUST 3, 2022

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1115414563/alex-jones-sandy-hook-case

And during his testimony he made all sorts of false claims. For example that he had complied with all requests for evidence. The judge scolded him harshly for this lie.  On his broadcast he claimed one of the plaintiffs was slow and being manipulated. These are hardly the acts of someone who is sincerely contrite. 

As for Jones only hurting their feellngs?  Maybe you think there aren't a lot of loons out there who follow Jones.

The father of a Sandy Hook victim says Alex Jones has made his life a 'living hell'

The father of a 6-year-old boy killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting testified Tuesday that conspiracy theorist Alex Jones made his life a "living hell" by pushing claims that the murders were a hoax involving actors aimed at increasing gun control...

Heslin said his home and car have been shot at, and his attorneys said Monday that the family had an "encounter" in Austin after the trial began in the city and have been in isolation under security.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/02/1115269280/sandy-hook-alex-jones-trial

 

[john donson]

bankruptcy as a way to shut him up ... much bull but he said stuff like 9/11 and osama before it happened...

 

how can one has to pay hundreds of millions for claiming sandy hook was fake...

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1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Maybe he did but he was not the cause of those kids being killed that caused the pain those parents went through.  Those more responsible would be the NRA, the company that made the weapons, the government that allowed the weapons to be circulated, the person or shop that allowed someone to buy the weapons, and most of all the person who did the actual shooting.   Fining Alex Jones $1.5 billion does nothing at all to stop the next batch of parents suffering in the same way.   The fact that he was fined so much when his contribution to their pain is so insignificant in comparison to those I listed is ridiculous and just gives those who are more responsible yet another free pass.  

As those parents have pointed out, Jones made their life a living hell following the deaths of their children. Not onlyly because of the pain his words inflicted but because of the actual danger it put them in. And yes, legally Jones can be held financially responsible if he knew or should have known what effect his lies would have.

[rudi49jr]

18 minutes ago, johng said:

I've only just started down the rabbit hole. you think you are safe because you agree with the "establishment" view...well eventually there will be something you dispute enough to speak out about  and then it's you who's "down the rabbit hole" by then though there will probably be no one left to offer support.

Please enlighten me. What/who is “the establishment”? And who is/are they who “will be coming for me next”? 

[johng]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And when did he admit he was wrong?

Go to his website and watch  you want a direct link  "do your own research"

 

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

the pain his words inflicted but because of the actual danger it put them in

His words may or may not have been "painful"  but he himself did not put anyone in danger..he did not kill anyone or go to their homes  that was all other persons  not Alex Jones.

[rudi49jr]

18 minutes ago, johng said:

Are you not worried about WWIII...

I demand 1.5 billion dollars for my worry.

If that’s your intellectual level of reasoning, it’s no wonder you’re defending the likes of Alex Jones and pushing conspiracy theories about “the establishment” and that “they” will be coming for me next.

[johng]

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Please enlighten me. What/who is “the establishment”? And who is/are they who “will be coming for me next”? 

 

Sorry but  Some folks wouldn't know the truth, If it walked up and smacked them in the face!

 

[johng]

5 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

you’re defending the likes of Alex Jones

You should be defending Alex Jones too  for his right to speak his mind  if you don't then yes they will be coming for you next  no matter how much you defend "them"  "they"  will turn on you and persecute you too...but by then there will be no one left to defend you.

[OneMoreFarang]

Why are there so many Americans who want to listen to him and who want to buy his products?

What tells us a lot about that strange country. 

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20 minutes ago, johng said:

Go to his website and watch  you want a direct link  "do your own research"

 

His words may or may not have been "painful"  but he himself did not put anyone in danger..he did not kill anyone or go to their homes  that was all other persons  not Alex Jones.

When you commit slander you don't get a pass on what it may prompt others to do. That's why damages are levied, For example, if someone lies about a company and say it's food products are infected with a dangerous pathogen, and that lie hurts sales. they can be held liable for the resulting financial damage. It's not a valid defense to claim that one's words didn't force someone to do something. If the consequences should have been foreseen, then the party who committed the defamation can be held liable.

[AlexRich]

48 minutes ago, johng said:

I've only just started down the rabbit hole. you think you are safe because you agree with the "establishment" view...well eventually there will be something you dispute enough to speak out about  and then it's you who's "down the rabbit hole" by then though there will probably be no one left to offer support.

 

Alex Jones is a grifter and a malign propagandist ... but it never ceases to amaze me the number of people who believe every word that comes out of his lying mouth? Same goes for Trump. 

[johng]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

When you commit slander you don't get a pass on what it may prompt others to do.

Ehh  no  Alex Jones did not prompt others to do anything  they did it of their own volition.

Alex Jones hurt the feelings of the families (+ FBI agent)  and was ordered to pay a totally disproportionate fine of 1.5 billion dollars !   now that his companies are being seized  the families will be getting very much less (0)  than the 50 odd million that Alex tried to settle for.  

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1 minute ago, johng said:

Ehh  no  Alex Jones did not prompt others to do anything  they did it of their own volition.

Alex Jones hurt the feelings of the families (+ FBI agent)  and was ordered to pay a totally disproportionate fine of 1.5 billion dollars !   now that his companies are being seized  the families will be getting very much less (0)  than the 50 odd million that Alex tried to settle for.  

What don't you understand about the fact that parties who slander can be held financially liable. Not just for hurt feelings but for the effects their words have on the bahavior of others? As I pointed out, if someone clams falsely that a company is manufacturing a dangerous product and that hurts its sales, they can sue the person committing defamation for economic damage.  The courts recognize that words have an effect on behavior. And if those words are slanderous or libelous, economic penalties can apply.

[giddyup]

38 minutes ago, johng said:

You should be defending Alex Jones too  for his right to speak his mind  if you don't then yes they will be coming for you next  no matter how much you defend "them"  "they"  will turn on you and persecute you too...but by then there will be no one left to defend you.

He would have been burning witches 200 years ago.

[johng]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

for the effects their words have on the bahavior of others?

Seems totally spurious to me ...if i say I don't like McDonalds and that it is "Junk food"

then McDonalds sales slump,  I am somehow responsible and must reimburse  their losses  due to the actions of other people not buying McDonalds ?

[johng]

9 minutes ago, giddyup said:

He would have been burning witches 200 years ago.

Do you mean  @rudi49jr

or Alex Jones ???

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[James105]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

As those parents have pointed out, Jones made their life a living hell following the deaths of their children. Not onlyly because of the pain his words inflicted but because of the actual danger it put them in. And yes, legally Jones can be held financially responsible if he knew or should have known what effect his lies would have.

 

The deaths of their children made their lives a living hell.  You have been given an alternative (and incorrect) monster to point at to misdirect you from who is actually to blame for the deaths of their children and since (like so many people) you regurgitate what your media overlords tell you to think you give the actual monsters free reign to continue as they are.   

 

Maybe the families should be given $1.5bn to compensate them for their pain, but considering what Alex Jones did to them compared to the others then he should only be responsible for about $100,000 of it.   

[johng]

1 minute ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

Weak minds are easily misled

As we have all witnessed the past few years since 2019 !!

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Just now, James105 said:

 

The deaths of their children made their lives a living hell.  You have been given an alternative (and incorrect) monster to point at to misdirect you from who is actually to blame for the deaths of their children and since (like so many people) you regurgitate what your media overlords tell you to think you give the actual monsters free reign to continue as they are.   

 

Maybe the families should be given $1.5bn to compensate them for their pain, but considering what Alex Jones did to them compared to the others then he should only be responsible for about $100,000 of it.   

What about the death of one's child should make one fear for one's life? Jones compounded their hell and made them fear for their lives. Stop trying to minimize the consequences of that nasty, dishonest creature's words. His lies in court just further damned him.

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7 minutes ago, johng said:

Seems totally spurious to me ...if i say I don't like McDonalds and that it is "Junk food"

then McDonalds sales slump,  I am somehow responsible and must reimburse  their losses  due to the actions of other people not buying McDonalds ?

I doubt that McDonalds would care to bring that to court since the unhealthy consequences of most of its offerings are well known.   But if you claim that McDonalds is lacing its hamburgers with, say, dangerous pathogens, then you could certainly be held liable for defamation. If you know, or should have known, that your claims are false, then you are liable.

[connda]

Conspiracy Theory defined:  Any substantive fact that doesn't fit the "commonly accepted narrative" or the "current status quo" or lies outside The Overton Window, and is promoted by state actors and main-stream media stakeholders alike to benefit both parties in their "Public-Private Partnerships" (government / corporate) at the expense of the commoners and "little people" who are kept in the dark and fed 🐂💩 like the good mushrooms that they are expected to be.  However given sufficient amounts of time (years / months / weeks) the facts can no longer be suppressed and those facts finally see the light of day at which point the MSM simply ignores them as they can no longer deny the veracity of the evidence, but they also refuse to acknowledge them either.  Well, other than to defame those who were pointing out the realities in the first place - "Conspiracy Theorists!!!"  It's a very effective ad-hominid attack among those who are willfully blind and prefer the comfort of the continuity bias of lies and untruths over cold-hard factual information which rips the mask off of the status quo and bends it over a stump.

Yeah - Alex Jones is a blow-hard and I can't really stand listening to him - but - a lot of those conspiracy theories he has touted over the years have proven to be conspiracy fact.  Like the old saying goes, "You get the most flak when you're directly over the target." 

"You're a Conspiracy Theorist!!! Ha ha ha Grrrrr!"

My experience has been that the people most prone to use that term are generally some of the dullest tacks in the box.
The willfully ignorant and people at the low end of the IQ spectrum don't particularly bother me any more than do growling soi dogs. 

[Red Forever]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Maybe he did but he was not the cause of those kids being killed that caused the pain those parents went through.  Those more responsible would be the NRA, the company that made the weapons, the government that allowed the weapons to be circulated, the person or shop that allowed someone to buy the weapons, and most of all the person who did the actual shooting.   Fining Alex Jones $1.5 billion does nothing at all to stop the next batch of parents suffering in the same way.   The fact that he was fined so much when his contribution to their pain is so insignificant in comparison to those I listed is ridiculous and just gives those who are more responsible yet another free pass.  

Re-read your words "his contribution to their pain is so insignificant".

Shame on you.

[Red Forever]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Maybe he did but he was not the cause of those kids being killed that caused the pain those parents went through.  Those more responsible would be the NRA, the company that made the weapons, the government that allowed the weapons to be circulated, the person or shop that allowed someone to buy the weapons, and most of all the person who did the actual shooting.   Fining Alex Jones $1.5 billion does nothing at all to stop the next batch of parents suffering in the same way.   The fact that he was fined so much when his contribution to their pain is so insignificant in comparison to those I listed is ridiculous and just gives those who are more responsible yet another free pass.  

Re-read your words "his contribution to their pain is so insignificant".

Shame on you.

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31 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Re-read your words "his contribution to their pain is so insignificant".

Shame on you.

Oh, come on. What do a few bullet holes and constant death threats really amount to? Those parents should be grateful for the fear of death that distracts them from their grief. Really, this is just Jones' genius way of doing grief therapy.

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[Paul Henry]

They are doing to Alex Jones what he did to other people and he earned it and deservers it. Loud mouth irresponsible ratbag

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12 minutes ago, connda said:

Conspiracy Theory defined:  Any substantive fact that doesn't fit the "commonly accepted narrative" or the "current status quo" or lies outside The Overton Window, and is promoted by state actors and main-stream media stakeholders alike to benefit both parties in their "Public-Private Partnerships" (government / corporate) at the expense of the commoners and "little people" who are kept in the dark and fed 🐂💩 like the good mushrooms that they are expected to be.  However given sufficient amounts of time (years / months / weeks) the facts can no longer be suppressed and those facts finally see the light of day at which point the MSM simply ignores them as they can no longer deny the veracity of the evidence, but they also refuse to acknowledge them either.  Well, other than to defame those who were pointing out the realities in the first place - "Conspiracy Theorists!!!"  It's a very effective ad-hominid attack among those who are willfully blind and prefer the comfort of the continuity bias of lies and untruths over cold-hard factual information which rips the mask off of the status quo and bends it over a stump.

Yeah - Alex Jones is a blow-hard and I can't really stand listening to him - but - a lot of those conspiracy theories he has touted over the years have proven to be conspiracy fact.  Like the old saying goes, "You get the most flak when you're directly over the target." 

"You're a Conspiracy Theorist!!! Ha ha ha Grrrrr!"

My experience has been that the people most prone to use that term are generally some of the dullest tacks in the box.
The willfully ignorant and people at the low end of the IQ spectrum don't particularly bother me any more than do growling soi dogs. 

Which conspiracy theories of Jones have panned out?

That the Oklahoma bombing was not the work of McVeigh and Nichols but rather of the Federal Govt?

That the 9/11 bombing was the work of the U.S. government?

FEMA's plan tp put U.S. citizens in detention camps?

That the gay community is going to use chemicals to turn children gay?

That actually it was the Ukrainians, not the Russians, responsible for the Bucha massacre?

 

 

 

[James105]

11 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Re-read your words "his contribution to their pain is so insignificant".

Shame on you.

 

Yes, I would say that hurty words (even if they are untrue, hurtful, slanderous and defamatory lies) is insignificant in comparison to actually being responsible for the death of someones child.  You disagree with that premise?