Does America have any candidates that aren't terrible?

[susanlea]

Biden awful. Trump is too aggressive. Newsom is woke crazy. Haley is pro war.

 

Bernie Sanders and DeSantis look the best options. Won't get a start. 

 

 

[Hummin]

Who wants to have their life investigated and turned upside down at the biggest stage in world? 

 

Everything you said or have done in life up for exposure? As well your loved once? No normal man or woman is willing to do go through that, and the result we see on stage now.

 

Obama the best president Usa ever had, probably the most sane one, had character, dignity and respect for people, good speeches, intelligent, is still hated by how many?  

Edited June 28 by Hummin

[susanlea]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Who wants to have their life investigated and turned upside down at the biggest stage in world? 

 

Everything you said or have done in life up for exposure? As well your loved once? No normal man or woman is willing to do go through that, and the result we see on stage now.

 

Obama the best president Usa ever had, is still hated by how many? 

Good point except Obama was terrible.

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Good point except Obama was terrible.

Point of view, and what you believe, 

 

Any president any side with his character would do better than these two "we" have now.

[Old Croc]

I can think of one with the youth, intelligence, debating skills, prior military service, acumen, social empathy and who would make one of the greatest ever presidents.

Unfortunately, he's unelectable in modern, discriminatory, prejudicial America.

He has a husband.

[Old Croc]

17 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Good point except Obama was terrible.

Why don't you save yourself some effort by just saying everybody and everything relating to Democrats was/is rubbish.

You've made it quite clear that you blindly consider only republicans, sect leaders and would be dictators to be your god's anointed people.

[susanlea]

17 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Why don't you save yourself some effort by just saying everybody and everything relating to Democrats was/is rubbish.

You've made it quite clear that you blindly consider only republicans, sect leaders and would be dictators to be your god's anointed people.

Bernie Sanders is alright.

[John Drake]

DeSantis not only would have won in a landslide who would have carried overwhelming majorities in the senate and house with him. Even if Trump ekes out a win, and if he wins it will be by eking it out, he will have a reverse coat tails effect. Anyway, RFKjr is a clear cut alternative to the two old men, either of whom will likely not live through their term.

[John Drake]

3 hours ago, Old Croc said:

I can think of one with the youth, intelligence, debating skills, prior military service, acumen, social empathy and who would make one of the greatest ever presidents.

Unfortunately, he's unelectable in modern, discriminatory, prejudicial America.

He has a husband.

 

East Palestine Ohio and Maui would strongly disagree with his qualifications

[Old Croc]

Only in a twisted republican's mind would the blame for a train derailment, caused by poor maintenance, be directed at the Transport Secretary for political point scoring. He's not responsible for every accident caused by big business cutting corners to maximize profit.

The city of East Palestine, correctly, sued the train company and won a huge compensation settlement.

One political party, when in power, is all about repealing environmental and safety legislation to assist these companies to put profit ahead of public safety.  They reap personal reward from their benefactors.

[jas007]

Tulsi Gabbard is ok.  And for that reason, she doesn’t have a chance.  She understands what’s going on, but she’s not willing to adhere to the official narrative.  She actually thinks for herself. 
 

For the Deep State people, Biden has been perfect.  Someone they can control like a puppet.  Even Putin has said he prefers Biden over Trump. Putin thinks Biden is “predictable.”  
 

I can’t imagine why anyone would want the job.  

[stoner]

look at it this way.

 

in jan 2029 when the next president leaves office and a new one comes in....this whole fascist and all that will be totally over. those currently barking and frothing will have a lot to account for. 

 

candidates ? how about a possible 2028 line up

 

marc cuban

jamie dinom

 

and can you smelllllllllll what the rock is cooking. 

 

you think its a gong show now. this is only the opening act.  

[candide]

"Trump is too aggressive"! Oh dear!😀

 

He's a dumbass, a conman and a convicted felon!

 

[TedG]

On 6/28/2024 at 3:13 AM, Old Croc said:

I can think of one with the youth, intelligence, debating skills, prior military service, acumen, social empathy and who would make one of the greatest ever presidents.

Unfortunately, he's unelectable in modern, discriminatory, prejudicial America.

He has a husband.

He is also an empty suite. 

[Old Croc]

18 minutes ago, TedG said:

He is also an empty suite. 

He could always buy a couch.

[bubblegum]

On 6/28/2024 at 2:39 PM, susanlea said:

Bernie Sanders is alright.

Funny this coming from you. Bernie the true socialist of America.

[gargamon]

On 6/28/2024 at 3:39 PM, susanlea said:

Bernie Sanders is alright.

[herfiehandbag]

On 6/28/2024 at 1:55 PM, Hummin said:

Obama the best president Usa ever had, probably the most sane one, had character, dignity and respect for people, good speeches, intelligent, is still hated by how many?  

There is one overriding reason why Obama was hated by so many.

 

Pigmentation.

 

Wrap it up as much as you like. It is the USA. It is hardwired into a large segment of the population.

[retarius]

On 6/28/2024 at 3:57 PM, susanlea said:

Good point except Obama was terrible.

I sent Obama a substantial donation for his promise to sort out the awful healthcare system. He failed miserably despite having majorities in both the Senate and HoR. It was deplorable and Biden, one of the few good things he actually did, was to pass a law to allow Pharma companies to have to negotiate prices of drugs for the people who were insured under the ACA (Obama's healthcare act). Note Obama allowed drugs to be sole to these insured folk at premium prices way over what they can charge Medicare or any Federally sponsored system. If you knew how egregious this was paid for by lobbyists who gave only 10 million dollars for pricing with extra hundreds of billions, you might not thin Obama was that great. And BTW, you cannot opt out of Obamacare, if you don't sign up, you get fined.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Funny this coming from you. Bernie the true socialist of America.

In just about every other country in the world, with a mature democratic political system he would be regarded as mildly left of centre.

[TedG]

4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

There is one overriding reason why Obama was hated by so many.

 

Pigmentation.

 

Wrap it up as much as you like. It is the USA. It is hardwired into a large segment of the population.

Obama is overrated. 

[Hummin]

Just now, TedG said:

Obama is overrated. 

Must be hard to admit he was your best best president for a long long time. Maybe the best ever? 

 

 

[TedG]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Must be hard to admit he was your best best president for a long long time. Maybe the best ever? 

 

 

What made him in the best in your eyes?

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, TedG said:

What made him in the best in your eyes?

He had great character,  good image, speacher, good leader by example, visionary, a good influencer, a good listener. The sad thing, when Trump took over, he signed off alot of his work, reversed policies, and aimed for short term effects. Still didnt give him 8 years in the seat.

 

The good and bad with the system they got only 8 years and also have to battle with the senate for "horse deals" making compromises. So no total control to make long lasting policies.

 

A common problem in West where we go from one end to another and start on the scratch again. Take years to make any constructive changes.

Edited July 1 by Hummin

[TedG]

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

He had great character,  good image, speacher, good leader by example, visionary, a good influencer, a good listener. The sad thing, when Trump took over, he signed off alot of his work, reversed policies, and aimed for short term effects. Still didnt give him 8 years in the seat.

 

The good and bad with the system they got only 8 years and also have to battle with the senate for "horse deals" making compromises. So no total control to make long lasting policies.

 

A common problem in West where we go from one end to another and start on the scratch again. Take years to make any constructive changes.

Did he actually accomplish anything of note worthy? 

[Robert Paulson]

No

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, TedG said:

Did he actually accomplish anything of note worthy? 

 

1 hour ago, Robert Paulson said:

No

Oh I don't know, he pissed off a number of people, who to this day are very circumspect as to exactly why they disliked him - see my earlier post about pigmentation.

 

He made an attempt (at least partially successful) to ensure health care provision not solely based on how much cash you could raise. He put the topic on the USA's political agenda, and it won't go away.

 

He actually got into the White House, which considering his background both racial and financial, was extremely noteworthy.

 

All that, (at least according to the orange fellow and his acolytes) without having a birth certificate!

[TedG]

37 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

 

Oh I don't know, he pissed off a number of people, who to this day are very circumspect as to exactly why they disliked him - see my earlier post about pigmentation.

 

He made an attempt (at least partially successful) to ensure health care provision not solely based on how much cash you could raise. He put the topic on the USA's political agenda, and it won't go away.

 

He actually got into the White House, which considering his background both racial and financial, was extremely noteworthy.

 

All that, (at least according to the orange fellow and his acolytes) without having a birth certificate!

You seem obsessed with pigmentation, and you can’t come up with any great accomplishments.   Obama is overrated.   

[bubblegum]

59 minutes ago, TedG said:

You seem obsessed with pigmentation, and you can’t come up with any great accomplishments.   Obama is overrated.   

Obama care.

[TedG]

1 minute ago, bubblegum said:

Obama care.

Check out the plans.  It's not all that great.