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43 minutes ago, bdenner said:

I understand where you're coming from, living in retirement for over 20 years, and commend you for your efforts putting this post together, obviously English is not your first language.

 

A pox on the "ba ba bor bor" (idiots) who think you are confused!

Oh, another "English" lecturer sharpening his profile.

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Sounds nice, but........

 

To qualify, applicants must demonstrate financial stability with a minimum bank balance of 500,000 THB and pay the required visa fee upfront.

 

Still have to show 500K in a Thai bank.  Does this have to be maintained at a certain level throughout life of the visa, and must proof be provided for extensions?  Shirley, not at border bounces.

 

Proof of employment with a registered company is mandatory and verifiable, ensuring eligibility for digital nomads and remote workers with appropriate documentation.

 

The list of registered companies has not yet been provided, nor do we know what "appropriate documentation" will be needed.

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"the 60 days visa-exempt can evidently be extended at local immigration for 30 days"

Not so, I believe. 

This is what the Thai Embassy in London is saying:-

 

"Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme

 

UK ordinary passport holders can travel to Thailand without visa for no longer than 60 days (maximum 2 times/year).

 

All UK travel documents (Refugee/Emergency) must apply for the visa before traveling to Thailand.

        - Foreigners entering Thailand by any means under the Visa Exemption scheme are required at the port of entry to have proof of planned travel (confirmed air, train, bus, or boat tickets) to leave Thailand within 60 days of the arrival date. Otherwise, a visa must be obtained before entering Thailand."

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1 minute ago, fresher said:

"the 60 days visa-exempt can evidently be extended at local immigration for 30 days"

Not so, I believe. 

This is what the Thai Embassy in London is saying:-

 

"Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme

 

UK ordinary passport holders can travel to Thailand without visa for no longer than 60 days (maximum 2 times/year).

 

All UK travel documents (Refugee/Emergency) must apply for the visa before traveling to Thailand.

        - Foreigners entering Thailand by any means under the Visa Exemption scheme are required at the port of entry to have proof of planned travel (confirmed air, train, bus, or boat tickets) to leave Thailand within 60 days of the arrival date. Otherwise, a visa must be obtained before entering Thailand."

I thought the 2 times a year had been scrapped...............😉

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Expats moaning again 🙈 Will they never learn it’s the normal holiday tourists who spend more money than the bitter expats sitting all day in beach bars with their 2 changs. 🤷🏼

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4 hours ago, CLW said:

The DTV is not a five year visa. You can stay a maximum of 360 days (180 + extension 180) within those five years in Thailand. If you are planning to stay long term here, it'll give you a mere 72 days per year, the other time you need to spend outside of Thailand. 

 

This is a guesswork. Show us where you have seen that.....

It says on the website that each (multiple) entry will be given 180 days....

 

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4 hours ago, Nickcage49 said:

Stop whining. If you don't like it then don't renew your visa and go with the 60 or 180 days. 

 

I'm on a retirement visa and it's not so expensive that it's worth the hassle of constantly renewing and going on border runs.

 

One thing, though, is that by doing this, they will increase the number of undesirables here, which they said they were trying to reduce.

 

If it's that easy to stay here, many more criminals will take advantage of the new rules. Not that criminals follow the rules anyway.

 

There are so many cheap charlies here, they'd rather go through a bunch of trouble than pay a few thousand baht for something.

Stop whining.  You should look in the mirror when saying it.  

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37 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Sounds nice, but........

 

To qualify, applicants must demonstrate financial stability with a minimum bank balance of 500,000 THB and pay the required visa fee upfront.

 

Still have to show 500K in a Thai bank.  Does this have to be maintained at a certain level throughout life of the visa, and must proof be provided for extensions?  Shirley, not at border bounces.

 

Proof of employment with a registered company is mandatory and verifiable, ensuring eligibility for digital nomads and remote workers with appropriate documentation.

 

The list of registered companies has not yet been provided, nor do we know what "appropriate documentation" will be needed.

 

500K THB equivalent is only required at time of application. It can be in a foreign account, or a Thai bank.

 

For extensions ( if required, alternatively just exit / re enter withing the 180 day stay to get another 180 days)  it is unclear whether any financial prof is required, currently it says nothing about that. 

 

Employment is not required under the "soft power" purpose provisions, only for the "workcation" ones. 

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6 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

 

The 10,000THB payment is one time only, that gives you a 5 year visa with border runs every 180 days? Or you have to pay 10,000THB every entry?

 

If it is a one time fee of 10,000THB, and all you need to do is do a border bounce twice a year, it sounds like a much better deal than keeping 800,000THB locked in a Thai bank account etc.

accordng to some of the users of this forum when talking with immigration say the io said 1900 baht extensions only as many times as user wants in the 5-year period

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1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Thank you, I don't want to hear any more rubbish.

Here’s a list of the important Thailand DTV visa facts:

  • Visa Duration: 5-years
  • Visa Type: Multiple entry
  • Length of Stay per Entry: 180 days
  • Extendable: Yes, once per year
  • Obtainable From: A Royal Thai Embassy/Consulate or online through Thailand’s official e-visa website
  • Minimum Age for Primary Visa Holder: 20 years old
  • Option to Include Family: Yes
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1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

That's if you stay in Thailand no more than the included 180 days.  If you extend........................you've become a tax resident.

Here’s a list of the important Thailand DTV visa facts:

  • Visa Duration: 5-years
  • Visa Type: Multiple entry
  • Length of Stay per Entry: 180 days
  • Extendable: Yes, once per year
  • Obtainable From: A Royal Thai Embassy/Consulate or online through Thailand’s official e-visa website
  • Minimum Age for Primary Visa Holder: 20 years old
  • Option to Include Family: Yes
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Just now, newbee2022 said:

Here’s a list of the important Thailand DTV visa facts:

  • Visa Duration: 5-years
  • Visa Type: Multiple entry
  • Length of Stay per Entry: 180 days
  • Extendable: Yes, once per year
  • Obtainable From: A Royal Thai Embassy/Consulate or online through Thailand’s official e-visa website
  • Minimum Age for Primary Visa Holder: 20 years old
  • Option to Include Family: Yes

Where does it say DTV Holders are exempt from paying tax on their remitted income? 

 

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3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Here’s a list of the important Thailand DTV visa facts:

  • Visa Duration: 5-years
  • Visa Type: Multiple entry
  • Length of Stay per Entry: 180 days
  • Extendable: Yes, once per year
  • Obtainable From: A Royal Thai Embassy/Consulate or online through Thailand’s official e-visa website
  • Minimum Age for Primary Visa Holder: 20 years old
  • Option to Include Family: Yes

So basically if using extensions (cost not confirmed yet but either B10,000 or B1,900 prolly). You only have to leave every 360 days then return?

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Just now, Mike Teavee said:

Where does it say DTV Holders are exempt from paying tax on their remitted income? 

 

Page six, paragraph seven in the Thai version.

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36 minutes ago, Reddavy said:

Expats moaning again 🙈 Will they never learn it’s the normal holiday tourists who spend more money than the bitter expats sitting all day in beach bars with their 2 changs. 🤷🏼

I think you have an erronous view of all  expats here. I have NEVER drank Chang beer. 

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I'm not sure why ex-pats would be angry about a relaxation of the immigration laws and new visas. It offers new opportunities for those of us that wish to leave the place for 186 days a year. I've been here almost 20 years and a fed up with I/O when renewing my visa and the stupid 90 day reports.  

I'm enthusiastic about the change and will not be renewing my Non-O next year. 

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3 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

then you don't know what you're talking about because you suggest that the type of visa determines residency for tax purposes. it does not 

residency according to the Thai revenue department is 180 days in Thailand  during a calenday year.  If you exit and turn around in a couple of days, you are over that limit of being a tax -resident"

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41 minutes ago, Reddavy said:

Expats moaning again 🙈 Will they never learn it’s the normal holiday tourists who spend more money than the bitter expats sitting all day in beach bars with their 2 changs. 🤷🏼

So what, and reads like you are stuck in Scunthorpe........:neus:

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5 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

A Non-Immigrant visa allows you to open bank accounts, obtain a driving licence and other privileges that the 60 day stamps and DTV don't support.

 

Also, you don't qualify for the DTV, because you are a retiree, and that is not a category that it supports.

yes but if stay in Thailand more than 180 days per year, you will have to bother and pay a lawyer or accountant to file a thai resident tax report, and risking to be taxed 2 times, with a lot of paperwork also in your home country... 

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51 minutes ago, transam said:

I thought the 2 times a year had been scrapped...............😉

Many people seem to be assuming this or have been told this. But nobody can have obtained a 30 day extension to a 60 day stamp yet. And this is Thailand. And the Thai Embassy clearly says you need a return ticket for 60 days or less to get a 60 day stamp. So will all Immigration offices be consistent and deal with this the same?

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5 hours ago, mokwit said:

If you don't extend DTV in country and just do border runs for a new 180 you would never under current enforcement have to do a TM30* or TM47 whilst living here for 5 years. So, those of us on extensions have to deal with "retentive" address confirmations via TM30 and 90 day reports, while the DTV people fly under the radar and Immigration may not know where they are.

 

Where in the official announcement of the DTV does it say that the legal requirement to notify the arrival of foreigners at a hotel or private place is waived for foreigners who  arrived with a DTV?

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