Why are there so many farang lefties in Thailand

[norfolkandchance]

Hitler and the Nazi's have made a comeback then.

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, SanSaiExPat said:

 His record and statements just don't support your statement.

You really need to read more proper news: Opinion | Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List, Updated - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Edited August 2 by FritsSikkink

[mokwit]

2 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said:

Hitler and the Nazi's have made a comeback then.

Only in the minds of some people on this web board and the people who produce propaganda for them.

[Will B Good]

4 hours ago, SanSaiExPat said:

Support your contention that Trump is a "Well known racist"   His record and statements just don't support your statement.

Doh!

 

 

1. Central Park Five: In 1989, Trump took out full-page ads in New York City newspapers calling for the death penalty for five Black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a jogger in Central Park. Even after the men were exonerated by DNA evidence and another individual confessed to the crime, Trump refused to apologize and continued to assert their guilt.

2. Mexican Immigrants: During his presidential campaign announcement in 2015, Trump stated, “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

3. Muslim Ban: Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” during his 2016 campaign, which many saw as targeting a specific religious and ethnic group.

4. Judge Curiel: Trump suggested that Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who was overseeing a lawsuit against Trump University, could not be impartial because of his Mexican heritage, stating, “He’s a Mexican. We’re building a wall between here and Mexico.”

5. Charlottesville: Following the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Trump said there were “very fine people on both sides,” which many interpreted as equating white supremacists with those protesting against them.

6. “<deleted>hole Countries”: In 2018, Trump reportedly referred to Haiti, El Salvador, and African nations as “<deleted>hole countries” during a meeting on immigration, expressing a preference for immigrants from countries like Norway.

7. Baltimore: In 2019, Trump called Baltimore a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess” and said that “no human being would want to live there,” targeting the majority-Black district represented by Congressman Elijah Cummings.

8. “Go back” Comments: Trump tweeted that four Democratic congresswomen of color should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” even though three of the four were born in the United States and all are American citizens.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

It was an Absolute Monarchy before 1932, after which it became a Constituational Monarchy. NOTE: it has a constitution. Many countries, including Australia and the UK, are Constitutional Monarchies. 

So ...?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

Thailand is great for right wingers. Loads of freedom. Loads of pure capitalism.

Could reverse your hypotheses and say when you return to Australia would you happy if they:

lowered higher income income taxes

got rid of or limited the social security for unemployed, the aged etc;

got rid of medicare and introduced userpays health care;

free schooling limited dramatically;

less money spent on infrastructure, many more potholes, dodgy wiring, etc

pollution in the air, dirty beaches and rubbish all over the place

ridding of rules on controls on types of businesses - dodgy builders, electricians etc much more free to ply their trade, consumer protections much more limited, can't call out bad service.

Often the right wingers like some forms of socialism and government control when they benefit. 

 

Edited August 2 by Fat is a type of crazy

[EVENKEEL]

54 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I assume you have never been to Thailand.

I see my comment hit a nerve. 

[newnative]

     I don't agree that Thailand is a right-wing country.   As for why there are more expats here of a liberal nature, I believe it is because liberals are just more open to new things, new ideas, new ways of doing things, new ways of thinking.   Gay marriage?  Yes.  Trans rights?  Yes.  Social programs and safety nets?  Yes.  Environmental protection?  Yes.  Health care for everyone and not just those who can afford it?  Yes. 

     Liberals are just more open to change.  Period.  And, what could be a bigger change than picking up stakes and moving to a different country on the other side of the world?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

     I don't agree that Thailand is a right-wing country.   As for why there are more expats here of a liberal nature, I believe it is because liberals are just more open to new things, new ideas, new ways of doing things, new ways of thinking.   Gay marriage?  Yes.  Trans rights?  Yes.  Social programs and safety nets?  Yes.  Environmental protection?  Yes.  Health care for everyone and not just those who can afford it?  Yes. 

     Liberals are just more open to change.  Period.  And, what could be a bigger change than picking up stakes and moving to a different country on the other side of the world?

But those things you aspire to are not in Thailand much e.g. environmental protection and social programs and safety nets. Thailand is certainly economically right wing with a veneer of buddhism to soften things up. Most thai people seem to wait for luck from buddha rather than government to help them get on their feet. Limited worker rights. Limited freedoms to speak up. Health and some schooling is ok but economically pretty damn right wing. 

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

But those things you aspire to are not in Thailand much e.g. environmental protection and social programs and safety nets. Thailand is certainly economically right wing with a veneer of buddhism to soften things up. Most thai people seem to wait for luck from buddha rather than government to help them get on their feet. Limited worker rights. Limited freedoms to speak up. Health and some schooling is ok but economically pretty damn right wing. 

I would agree.....a rather odd mix of amazing "forward thinking" jumbled up with old fashioned...."know your place".

 

Maybe the forward thinking elements are sops thrown out by the hisos to keep the prols in their place.

[Kalasin Jo]

So you don't mean footballers then🤔

 

On politics I've found most farangs I come across are right wing or far right when it comes to their country of origin although not living there may be for decades, left wing about Thai politics 

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

In fact the Nazi regime murdered ten's of thousands socialists. Hitler did not express Socialist ideology in Mein Kampf. The rich industrialists supported Hitler due to his support for industrial expansion to support the planned war effort. Hitler was not elected as Chancellor, he was appointed by Hindenburg

 

 Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after the parliamentary elections of July and November 1932 had not resulted in the formation of a majority government – despite the fact that Hitler had been Hindenburg's opponent in the presidential election only 9 months earlier. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_rise_to_power#:~:text=Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint,election only 9 months earlier.

 

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

In fact the Nazi regime murdered ten's of thousands socialists. Hitler did not express Socialist ideology in Mein Kampf. The rich industrialists supported Hitler due to his support for industrial expansion to support the planned war effort. Hitler was not elected as Chancellor, he was appointed by Hindenburg

 

 Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after the parliamentary elections of July and November 1932 had not resulted in the formation of a majority government – despite the fact that Hitler had been Hindenburg's opponent in the presidential election only 9 months earlier. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_rise_to_power#:~:text=Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint,election only 9 months earlier.

Correct. He won the party leadership in 1922 and finished second in the 1932 national presidential election, to be subsequently appointed chancellor by Hindenburg.

[FritsSikkink]

23 hours ago, susanlea said:

Yes the right has not moved at all. Many on the left have gone mad.

PFFF, learn to read a chart. 

[cdemundo]

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Fact, he was elected as a national socialist.

Right that was the name of the Nazi party.

As I have asked before, do you think the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is democratic?

Do you think it is a Republic?

 

You know that people lie to get power right?

 

Think about the Legitimated Businessman's Social Club on the Simpsons.

Not a club for legit businessmen.

 

The name of an organization can be used to mislead.

[Jonnapat]

Because the alternative is so much worse.

[wwest5829]

On 8/1/2024 at 9:46 AM, KhunLA said:

Considering many of the discussion topics, it may have something to do with TH's tolerance to homo & bisexuals, not that there is anything wrong with either.  

 

Live & Let Live in my world ... enjoy getting one's freak on 

Agree with you on topic comment definitely having an influence on responses to the topics raised. Then, I would observe that while Thailand is a basically conservative nation socially on many issues (same in USA) … Thais voted left of center in supporting the Forward Party (same as majority leaning Democrat in USA). Another observation I have reflected on in the Expat community since I retired here 13 years ago and been involved with CM Expats Club. OK, we see some Expat retired military here either gaining knowledge of Thailand during Nam or later R&R. One might expect them to lean conservative due to military background, or not. It seems to me that those, like myself, who already are more accepting of other ways of doing things, are less rigid in expectations and thus lean more liberal in our approach to living in a culture not our own (we are free to grumble about some things like immigration issues but are generally happy in our lives here). Just some thoughts.

[wwest5829]

On 8/1/2024 at 10:16 AM, FritsSikkink said:

Link to the 75 % please.

Did you know that in many Western countries they have a lot more parties to choose from than in the USA and there are much more graduations than left and righ?

Why are people supporting trump a well know racist, live in a non-white country?

My take is that for many in the USA, the working middle class has justified frustration/anger with both the Republican Party and the a Democrat Party. While Trump is definitely not the answer to their frustration/anger … he has given voice to their frustration/anger. Sad that they are reacting emotionally and not with thinking.

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

Look, if I am talking about control of the means of production, a defining feature of Socialism, then I would have thought it would indicate that I have not just seen "Socialism" in the name and assumed it was socialism. The controlled what was produced and which sectors the banks could lend to - there is a detailed description as to how they controlled the financial system out there. It was the fact that they were controlling the financial system for the benefit of their country that put them at odds with another system. For sure it might not be Socialism as defined by a political science academic.

 

Volkswagen means people's car - a car for the masses. People were promoted to positions that only the aristocracy and junkerklasse previously held. Again it might not be Socialism as defined by a political science academic, but it was de facto socialism.

 

I don't need your help to understand because I already do, it is you who don't and thinks because it had Socialism in the name I am thinking it must be socialism purely on that basis. You think I am unaware as to how names are used to pretend something is not what it is, and yes I know Hitler himself is on record as saying we should never have called ourselves "socialist", but they did that to attract votes, but it was much closer to means of production Socialism than laissez faire capitalism or the protection of the privileges of an elite class like South American 1970's right wing Governments.

 

Perhaps it would be better if you stopped simplistically "correcting" me and explained what German National socialism actually was in your understanding.

 

 

You offer your opinion without support, thanks.

As you say "For sure it might not be Socialism as defined by a political science academic." Or to put it another way, as defined by a person with some credentials in the matter.

 

Here are the opinions of some informed people.

I am not just proclaiming my opinion, I am posting the opinions of some people with credentials in the study of history.

 

"The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists.

The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt Europe that embraced social welfare programs.

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?

Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism."

Ronald J. Granieri in the Washington Post

Dr. Ronald J. Granieri is a Professor of History in the Department of National Security and Strategy at the United States Army War College.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

=====

"The Nazis Weren’t Socialists — They Were Hypercapitalists

   Right-wingers love to insist that members of Adolf Hitler’s party were socialists. But Nazism’s real economic policies upheld hypercapitalist principles rooted in social Darwinist ideas about the value of human life. They weren’t socialists at all.

One of the most tiresome arguments leveled against socialism claims that Nazism was somehow “socialist,” and so something the Left needs to answer for. Adolf Hitler’s men marshaled the economy for war, put the state above the individual — and, as the killer argument, they even called themselves “National Socialists.”

   Checkmate? Not quite. Even aside from the fact that other conservative and liberal parties actually voted for full powers to Hitler in 1933, his regime was characterized by massive interventions to help out private business. And the social Darwinism championed by the Nazis, counting the “unproductive” as mere wasteful expense, obeyed the logic of judging human life by the yardstick of profit."

 

Ishay Landa in Jacobin.

As he puts it your argument is:One of the most tiresome arguments put forth about the Nazis.

 

Ishay Landa is Senior Lecturer in History at the Israeli Open University. He has published on Nietzscheanism, Marxism, political theory and popular culture 

https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism

=======

 

In a column earlier this month for the Daily Mail, conservative commentator Peter Hitchens lamented that “no one seems to know” that the Nazis were “very left-wing.” He cites evidence like the high taxes the German middle class had to pay to support the war effort and the fact that the Nazis and the Soviets held an “amicable prisoner swap” during their short-lived pact in 1939.

None of this comes within ten thousand miles of establishing his conclusion. It’s worth spelling out why not, given that Hitchens is arguing for a conclusion common on the Right. At least he’s trying to make a historical case, instead of replying on the usual semantic argument that the Nazis called themselves “National Socialists” so they must have been socialists. (To see what’s wrong with that one, ask yourself whether the German Democratic Republic was a democracy.)

The Nazis imposed strictly socially conservative values on German society. Under their rule, workers who tried to organize for better conditions on the job were brutally repressed while politically connected capitalists grew fabulously wealthy from state contracts. And the German left was exterminated en masse.

None of that means that mainstream conservatives are Nazis. But it does make it absurd to deny that Adolf Hitler belonged to the extreme right.

 

by Ben Burgis in Jacobin

 

Ben Burgis is a Jacobin columnist, an adjunct philosophy professor at Rutgers University

https://jacobin.com/2023/03/peter-hitchens-nazism-left-wing-socialism-germany-history

Edited August 2 by cdemundo

[newnative]

37 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

But those things you aspire to are not in Thailand much e.g. environmental protection and social programs and safety nets. Thailand is certainly economically right wing with a veneer of buddhism to soften things up. Most thai people seem to wait for luck from buddha rather than government to help them get on their feet. Limited worker rights. Limited freedoms to speak up. Health and some schooling is ok but economically pretty damn right wing. 

      I think anyone moving to Thailand from a 1st world country realizes they are moving to a country that in various ways is not yet at that stage.   Nevertheless, Thailand is making progress.  More liberal political parties are becoming more popular, especially with the younger citizens--that is likely to just get stronger.  Gay marriage is about to be passed.   Thailand has a universal health care system.  While woefully inadequate, Thailand has made a start on a social security system.  Certainly there is much more to do, but that is true for most 2nd and 3rd tier countries, and 1st tier countries, as well, with some things.

[wwest5829]

On 8/1/2024 at 10:40 AM, susanlea said:

Hitler was a socialist so most people were to his right.

The reality is closer to fascist. He and the NAZI Party were vehemently opposed to Russia as being socialist. Yes, yes, I taught history for 41 years so I am well aware of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party. Today, information is available to all to read and gain knowledge. But, but the name … yes, misnomer like calling Trump a champion of US workers.

[wwest5829]

On 8/1/2024 at 10:46 AM, novacova said:

Because the left suffers from the conundrum of internal contradictions 

True we are in a continuous search for answer in a changing reality. Ha! I do understand peoples’ frustration with the educated. The light bulb burns out and we begin be considering what type of build to replace it with … same as the old bulb, perhaps, day-glow, Floresent, LCD, Halogen … which will best suit or needs and then balancing initial bulb cost versus low term energy Costa. Ha! What a burden being a thinking person … meanwhile, my uneducated janitor grandfather comes in and replaces the bulb from the stock purchased at the dollar store because they were on sale … and now, the thinking among us have had their minds going off to the decision making among the majority of the US population which reads at the 7-8th grade level … and so it goes.

[wwest5829]

On 8/1/2024 at 11:05 AM, connda said:

I'd see the average Trump supporter fitting in well here. 
Thailand espouse traditional values; Trump conservatives espouse traditional values.
Thailand is anti-abortion; Trump conservatives or anti-abortion.
Thais are spiritually inclined although Buddhist and Animist; Trump conservatives are spiritually inclined albeit Christian.
I could go on.  Thailand is conservative and traditional; Trump conservatives are conservative and traditional.  So are most people in SE Asia and ASEAN.

And yet Thais overwhelmingly voter for Forward Party. And most in USA, if party registered, register Democrat.

[mokwit]

44 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

You offer your opinion without support, thanks.

Here are the opinions of some informed people.

I am not just proclaiming my opinion, I am posting the opinions of some people with credentials in the study of history.

 

"The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists.

The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt Europe that embraced social welfare programs.

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?

Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism."

Ronald J. Granieri in the Washington Post

Dr. Ronald J. Granieri is a Professor of History in the Department of National Security and Strategy at the United States Army War College.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

=====

"The Nazis Weren’t Socialists — They Were Hypercapitalists

   Right-wingers love to insist that members of Adolf Hitler’s party were socialists. But Nazism’s real economic policies upheld hypercapitalist principles rooted in social Darwinist ideas about the value of human life. They weren’t socialists at all.

One of the most tiresome arguments leveled against socialism claims that Nazism was somehow “socialist,” and so something the Left needs to answer for. Adolf Hitler’s men marshaled the economy for war, put the state above the individual — and, as the killer argument, they even called themselves “National Socialists.”

   Checkmate? Not quite. Even aside from the fact that other conservative and liberal parties actually voted for full powers to Hitler in 1933, his regime was characterized by massive interventions to help out private business. And the social Darwinism championed by the Nazis, counting the “unproductive” as mere wasteful expense, obeyed the logic of judging human life by the yardstick of profit."

 

Ishay Landa in Jacobin.

As he puts it your argument is:One of the most tiresome arguments put forth about the Nazis.

 

Ishay Landa is Senior Lecturer in History at the Israeli Open University. He has published on Nietzscheanism, Marxism, political theory and popular culture 

https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism

=======

 

In a column earlier this month for the Daily Mail, conservative commentator Peter Hitchens lamented that “no one seems to know” that the Nazis were “very left-wing.” He cites evidence like the high taxes the German middle class had to pay to support the war effort and the fact that the Nazis and the Soviets held an “amicable prisoner swap” during their short-lived pact in 1939.

None of this comes within ten thousand miles of establishing his conclusion. It’s worth spelling out why not, given that Hitchens is arguing for a conclusion common on the Right. At least he’s trying to make a historical case, instead of replying on the usual semantic argument that the Nazis called themselves “National Socialists” so they must have been socialists. (To see what’s wrong with that one, ask yourself whether the German Democratic Republic was a democracy.)

The Nazis imposed strictly socially conservative values on German society. Under their rule, workers who tried to organize for better conditions on the job were brutally repressed while politically connected capitalists grew fabulously wealthy from state contracts. And the German left was exterminated en masse.

None of that means that mainstream conservatives are Nazis. But it does make it absurd to deny that Adolf Hitler belonged to the extreme right.

 

by Ben Burgis in Jacobin

 

Ben Burgis is a Jacobin columnist, an adjunct philosophy professor at Rutgers University

https://jacobin.com/2023/03/peter-hitchens-nazism-left-wing-socialism-germany-history

First one writing in the predominantly left wing Washington Post doesn't seem to know what point he is making, or rather his arguments meander and don't support his thesis.

The second two are from a Left wing magazine, who might have a motive for trying to dissociate socialism from Nazism. I can't imagine that an Israeli is without bias/agenda when writing on Nazi Germany.

 

You have posted links to propaganda attempting to whitewash similarities between Nazism and Socialism.

 

As for academic credential/position: There is a German saying: 'There is nothing so stupid that some Professor somewhere can't be made to believe it'

 

Hitler as a Nationalist was BITTERLY opposed to International Socialism, what he called [Jewish] Bolshevism, because he believed its plan was to subjugate the German people (and others) to an international order. It was not an ideological aversion.

 

BTW, putting you on ignore as I am unable to come down to your level. You seem to be unable to grasp that I am not making my assertions just because a perfunctory glance shows NSDAP has Socialism in the name and that I am quite capable of understanding that something can be deliberately named deceptively to create an impression that is not or even the complete opposite. . From pasted your article '(To see what’s wrong with that one, ask yourself whether the German Democratic Republic was a democracy.)' Bye.

 

Edited August 2 by mokwit

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, susanlea said:

Tell me what % of seats Move Forward won? 

First, tell me how influential the army and certain others were, in the selection process and election. 

 

The consistency and strangeness of your answers leads me to believe that you do not live in Thailand, is that the case? 

[Kinok Farang]

On 8/1/2024 at 11:19 AM, cjinchiangrai said:

Not true, he was a fascist dictator. 

Try reading a book once in a while.

[novacova]

41 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

The reality is closer to fascist. He and the NAZI Party were vehemently opposed to Russia as being socialist. Yes, yes, I taught history for 41 years so I am well aware of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party. Today, information is available to all to read and gain knowledge. But, but the name … yes, misnomer like calling Trump a champion of US workers.

Everything towards the left is autocratic authoritarianism, autocratic authoritarianism is oppressive such as the Nazi, ccp etc regimes. Put any label on any group as you see fit, it is what they do is what defines what they are, not their label or what they say they are. The American US democrat party are not democratic, they don’t exercise democratic values, their words don’t entirely line up with their actions, yet they are labeled democrats and within that party they tolerate, choose not to exclude Marxist extremism among a whole slew of other imposing oppressive values that intend to control thought and behavior because it’s an inherent value of their platform. 

Edited August 2 by novacova

[cjinchiangrai]

4 hours ago, JensenZ said:

I can give you a simple answer. Ultra-leftist Jingthing, by far the most prolific poster on this forum, has been fueling the debate since 2015 when Trump first became a candidate. He had been quiet after Biden won in 2020 but since Trump reemerged last year, he has redoubled his efforts to energize his left-wing compatriates.

 

Every Trump thread is another Trump-bashing extravaganza and an uncomfortable place for any Trump supporters to post,  as they too will be attacked. I don't think there are more leftists on this forum, just that more of them post in US political threads.

So you think Trump is a left wing candidate? He would not agree.

[mokwit]

4 hours ago, JensenZ said:

I can give you a simple answer. Ultra-leftist Jingthing, by far the most prolific poster on this forum, has been fueling the debate since 2015 when Trump first became a candidate. He had been quiet after Biden won in 2020 but since Trump reemerged last year, he has redoubled his efforts to energize his left-wing compatriates.

 

Every Trump thread is another Trump-bashing extravaganza and an uncomfortable place for any Trump supporters to post,  as they too will be attacked. I don't think there are more leftists on this forum, just that more of them post in US political threads.

Teacher has gone from the sand pit with the change of ownership. They were able to kick sand in our faces with impunity and we were prevented from kicking back. They had a whale of a time, but now we can get in the sandpit and kick back. Of course they are much better at dishing it out than getting it back, but if you dish it out you get it back and it's no use crying "fascist bullyboy" to anyone who counters their tactics and demanding teacher who isn't there anymore remove the offending counterpoints.

[daveAustin]

On 8/1/2024 at 4:16 AM, FritsSikkink said:

Why are people supporting trump a well know racist, live in a non-white country?

😴😴 Don't think he is. He's a complete tosspot, but labelling him a racist is just a convenient slur by the Left. They also overdo the 'hate' line. Lefties use racism and hate so often that it doesn't mean anything anymore.

Believe he had more black and minority peoples in his administration than Obama. His rhetoric and the way he delivers irks people but he just says it how it is.

Why are there so many farang lefties in Thailand? Don't know that there are. There are clearly many on here, however. Each to their own. People can be what they want. Just allow others to have an opinion.

[Freddy42OZ]

On 8/1/2024 at 9:12 AM, susanlea said:

Thailand is more right wing than left but it appears that 75% of farangs are centre left to far left. Why move to a right wing nation? Why spend 8 years whingeing about Trump?

I can't vote for who becomes the next President of the US of A.  But I can have an opinion on it.  

The President should be someone who is well spoken, well educated, and a good person. I'd prefer they were an Atheist as I think anyone who believes in religion has limited capacity for logical thinking.  

Trump is a horrible person, he's nothing more than an carnival barker pandering to the low classes who are too stupid to realise he's lying to them just to line his own pockets.  
He might be rich (that is actually debatable), but he's incredibly low class or at least does a good job of acting like a low class oik.  

I doubt he'll get in this time, but there are a lot of dumb Americans who might prove me wrong.  I actually feel sorry for these people, they will be even worse off after another Trump Presidency than they are now.