Kamala Harris Poised to Succeed Where Hilary Clinton Failed?

[Social Media]

 

Vice President Kamala Harris stands at a pivotal moment in American political history, potentially poised to succeed where Hillary Clinton once fell short — defeating former President Donald Trump and becoming the first female president of the United States. The path ahead is fraught with challenges, yet there is palpable Democratic excitement surrounding Harris’s rise. Following President Biden’s decision on July 21 to step aside, Harris has emerged as the presumptive nominee. However, national polling averages and swing state data indicate that Trump leads Harris, albeit by narrower margins than he held over Biden.

 

Prominent Democratic women approach the upcoming months with a blend of hope and trepidation. Patti Solis Doyle, who managed Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, believes Harris holds advantages that Clinton did not enjoy. Reflecting on Clinton’s extensive time on the national stage, Solis Doyle noted, “She was someone the public knew very well and someone who was very polarizing. You either loved Hillary Clinton or you hated Hillary Clinton and it was cemented.” In contrast, Harris “does not have that same burden.

 

While she has been on the national stage, it has been for a much shorter period of time.” Nonetheless, Solis Doyle acknowledged that Harris would still need to overcome voter biases simply by virtue of being a woman. “While we have come a long way, there is still work to do. It is 2024 and this country has not elected a woman president. I find that astonishing,” she said.

 

Harris’s candidacy offers unique advantages in a race against Trump, some demographic, some issue-based, and others specific to Trump himself. Harris may appeal more to female voters and can amplify Democratic arguments about reproductive rights. As a Black, female former prosecutor, Harris is particularly well-suited to challenge a Republican nominee with a controversial history regarding women, such as Trump, who was found liable for the sexual abuse of writer E. Jean Carroll in a civil case last year and has made boorish comments about women like Rosie O’Donnell and Megyn Kelly.

 

Despite these advantages, there is concern that some voters will once again retreat from supporting a female president. Women have reached many influential political positions, yet the presidency remains elusive. Beyond Clinton, other notable female candidates like Harris and Sen. Elizabeth Warren underperformed expectations in the 2020 Democratic primary.

 

Observers are bracing for a contentious campaign, fraught with issues of gender and race. Kristy Sheeler, a communication studies professor at Indiana University Indianapolis and author of the 2013 book “Woman President,” warned, “I think the campaign rhetoric is going to be really ugly around gender and race.” Democratic strategist Julie Roginsky highlighted the risks and opportunities of Harris’s candidacy, stating, “We are still a very misogynistic country. Unlike Britain or India or Pakistan, the United States has never had a woman lead it.”

 

Republicans and conservatives challenge the focus on Harris’s gender, arguing that it amounts to identity politics and is irrelevant to her capacity to govern. The GOP has characterized Harris as a “DEI hire,” implying that her race and gender have aided rather than hindered her career. Trump reinforced this narrative in a recent interview, incorrectly alleging that Harris had only recently embraced a Black identity. Trump campaign national press secretary Karoline Leavitt stated, “Race and gender have nothing to do with why Kamala Harris is the most unpopular Vice President in history.

 

Kamala failed at her job as Border Czar, supported all of Joe Biden’s disastrous policies, and lied to the American people about Biden’s cognitive decline. She is weak, dishonest, and dangerously liberal.” Leavitt also contended that the media’s negative portrayal of Trump’s treatment of women is false, asserting, “President Trump is loved by millions of women across the country, and those who know him personally, myself included, will tell you he’s supportive, generous, and kind.”

 

In policy terms, Leavitt claimed that Trump’s first term economically uplifted women, with a focus on expanding childcare and paid family leave. She promised that a second Trump term would make America “strong, safe, and prosperous again for all women.” The dynamics surrounding female candidates and elections are indeed complex. In the 2016 election, exit polls showed white women favoring Trump over Clinton by nine points, despite the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape. Black and Latino women, however, voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. On abortion, male and female views are not as divergent as sometimes portrayed. A CBS News/YouGov poll in June, marking the second anniversary of Roe v. Wade’s reversal, found that 37% of women believed abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, compared to 43% of men.

 

Democrats, especially women, fervently hope Harris will finally shatter the glass ceiling. Yet, she faces considerable resistance. The journey to the presidency is laden with challenges, but Harris’s candidacy brings a renewed sense of possibility and a spotlight on the ongoing struggle for gender equality in American politics. The road to becoming the first female president is undeniably challenging, yet Kamala Harris’s candidacy is imbued with historical significance and the potential to break longstanding barriers in the highest office of the land.

 

Credit: Hill  2024-08-06

 

 

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[Tug]

I for one certainly hope she succeeds she’s qualified and we all know what the trump wreck was.

[Wanderer555]

False Equivilancancy:

Clinton earned her position as the Democratic Presidential nominee through the primary process (with help from Sanders), while Harris has been gifted the position as the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee. 
 

 

 

[mushroomdave]

He is so scared now......I sure wouldn't want to be arund him and a Big Mac these past few days that's for sure!

  

Don't you feel sorry for the man-child these days?????

 

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[Snackbar]

Never going to happen 

[thaipo7]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

I for one certainly hope she succeeds she’s qualified and we all know what the trump wreck was.

What has she done that makes her so qualified?  Name 3 accomplishments  as VP.  You can't.  Trump was a very successful President for 4 years.  Name 3 things where Trump was a wreck.

[thaipo7]

34 minutes ago, mushroomdave said:

He is so scared now......I sure wouldn't want to be arund him and a Big Mac these past few days that's for sure!

  

Don't you feel sorry for the man-child these days?????

 

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NO

[Cryingdick]

1 hour ago, mushroomdave said:

He is so scared now......I sure wouldn't want to be arund him and a Big Mac these past few days that's for sure!

  

Don't you feel sorry for the man-child these days?????

 

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post count is 666 lol

[Red Forever]

35 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

What has she done that makes her so qualified?  Name 3 accomplishments  as VP.  You can't.  Trump was a very successful President for 4 years.  Name 3 things where Trump was a wreck.

How about 34 things just for a start.

[Tug]

34 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

What has she done that makes her so qualified?  Name 3 accomplishments  as VP.  You can't.  Trump was a very successful President for 4 years.  Name 3 things where Trump was a wreck.

Trump wreck ;economy ,infrastructure ,healthcare ,foreign policy ,Covid ,there’s lots and lots more thaipo as far as Harris all VPs are support for the president they serve so she shares in the legislative results achieved by this administration of witch there are many.

[Cryingdick]

In all seriousness if Kamala wins her success will accelerate the failures of the dem party. I am beginning to hope she does win so they can't blame the latest messes on trump. Kamala should she win has one  term written on her forehead. Trump would be a lame duck anyway. He would also be fought so hard he wouldn't get anything done. He could make some use of executive orders. 

 

I think the ideal situation could be a Kamala win and the house and senate going republican. Either way i hope no side gains all three branches. Trump is beginn8ng to ramble incessantly like a retard. So we get rid of him and in four years Kamala is a brown skid mark on the sheets. She has no answers to any challenges we face. I look forward to the markets dropping and hope the housing bubble pops. 

 

 

the faster the dems get their way the faster they will fall. 

 

Edited August 6 by Cryingdick

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, Tug said:

Trump wreck ;economy ,infrastructure ,healthcare ,foreign policy ,Covid ,there’s lots and lots more thaipo as far as Harris all VPs are support for the president they serve so she shares in the legislative results achieved by this administration of witch there are many.

Dont post while drunk, it makes the incoherent indecipherable

[JonnyF]

All the Republicans need to do is get Harris talking about complicated issues.

 

She is completely out of her depth and starts to sound like a primary school teacher. "Russia is a big country and Ukraine is a smaller country" etc.

 

I wonder if they are waiting to get a bit closer to the election date to start exposing her. Just so it's fresh in the memory of voters. Hilary was a nasty piece of work but at least she was semi qualified. Harris is a social climber (via nefarious means) who was gifted the candidacy. Totally unqualified (although I bet she had some "skills" in the Big Willie Brown days). Hawk Tuah!     

[wombat]

1 hour ago, Snackbar said:

Never going to happen 

America is not ready for a half caste (call me black) female president.

[Tug]

46 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Dont post while drunk, it makes the incoherent indecipherable

Sorry don’t drink nor do drugs perhaps you are high and can’t comprehend a very simple statement…..?

[b17]

1 hour ago, thaipo7 said:

What has she done that makes her so qualified?  Name 3 accomplishments  as VP.  You can't.  Trump was a very successful President for 4 years.  Name 3 things where Trump was a wreck.

Trump was NOT a successful President for even five seconds. He is a grifter, a convicted felon, a narcissist, a serial adulterer, a psychopath and a convicted  rapist, but he was definitely not successful for the US. As a matter of fact, most Presidential historians rate his presidency as the WORST IN US history. 

[300sd]

5 hours ago, Social Media said:

Nonetheless, Solis Doyle acknowledged that Harris would still need to overcome voter biases simply by virtue of being a woman.

No it's about merit. She has none.

[Tug]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

All the Republicans need to do is get Harris talking about complicated issues.

 

She is completely out of her depth and starts to sound like a primary school teacher. "Russia is a big country and Ukraine is a smaller country" etc.

 

I wonder if they are waiting to get a bit closer to the election date to start exposing her. Just so it's fresh in the memory of voters. Hilary was a nasty piece of work but at least she was semi qualified. Harris is a social climber (via nefarious means) who was gifted the candidacy. Totally unqualified (although I bet she had some "skills" in the Big Willie Brown days). Hawk Tuah!     

Are you inferring that trump has a grasp on complex international issues lmao 🤣 Kamala will disembowel that clown oh boy now that’s funny I think you trumpers are grossly underestimating Kamala big time.I understand your safe haven when frightened is to say dei or she slept her way up the ladder …..DA,AG,SENATOR,VICE PRESIDENT…….against trump the pow insulting draft dodging trust fund baby …..face it the one and only reason trump is were he is,is because he was born into wealth and it shows he’s out putting down the USA and sucking up to putin on the hostage release today…..just how do you think that plays to regular rational Americans?

[2baht]

2 hours ago, mushroomdave said:

He is so scared now......I sure wouldn't want to be arund him and a Big Mac these past few days that's for sure!

  

Don't you feel sorry for the man-child these days?????

 

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I feel more sorry for the slingshot operator that clipped the ear with a paper dart! 

[Tug]

3 minutes ago, 2baht said:

I feel more sorry for the slingshot operator that clipped the ear with a paper dart! 

I feel sorry for the poor dude sitting behind him that actually took the slug

[2baht]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

I feel sorry for the poor dude sitting behind him that actually took the slug

I certainly have zero sympathy for the goon with the ridiculous hair!

[Thai Visa Member 999999]

2 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

What has she done that makes her so qualified?  Name 3 accomplishments  as VP.  You can't.  Trump was a very successful President for 4 years.  Name 3 things where Trump was a wreck.

He was so successful, he got fired by the American people. I'm not wild about Harris but she's mentally stable which can't be said of Trump. She'll have a Republican Senate, at the least, so she won't be able to do much, at least for the first two years. 

[bobbin]

36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Harris is a social climber (via nefarious means) who was gifted the candidacy. Totally unqualified (although I bet she had some "skills" in the Big Willie Brown days). Hawk Tuah!     

 

hey JonnyF.. Thanks for my morning laugh.

Harris.. social climber  Trump social exploiter

Harris.. "gifted" the candidacy  Trump.. "gifted" $400 million (multiple bankruptcies)

Harris.. those bj's are still paying off  Trump sexual abuser, regular user of sex workers, misogynistic "pussy-grabber" etc. etc. etc.

Keep 'em coming..  😎

 

[LosLobo]

3 hours ago, Wanderer555 said:

False Equivilancancy:

Clinton earned her position as the Democratic Presidential nominee through the primary process (with help from Sanders), while Harris has been gifted the position as the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee. 

Yet, Trump did not participate in the democratic process by failing to debate the other candidates in the GOP Primaries.

 

Your False Equivilancancy (sic) is a logical false equivalency in itself.

 

Here are the logical fallacies in your word salad:

False Equivalence: The statement commits a false equivalence fallacy by comparing two situations that are not directly comparable. Hillary Clinton's and Kamala Harris's paths to their respective positions are different, and thus, directly equating them without considering the specific contexts and processes involved is misleading.

Hasty Generalization: The statement may also be seen as a hasty generalization by making a broad claim about Harris's position based on incomplete or speculative information. It assumes without sufficient evidence that Harris has been "gifted" the position without a primary process.

Appeal to Tradition: Implicitly, the statement might rely on an appeal to tradition by suggesting that the primary process (as seen with Clinton) is the only legitimate way to earn a nomination. This ignores the political nuances and strategies that might lead to different approaches in different election cycles.

Note: The decision of whether to hold primary elections for presidential candidates is a strategic and procedural choice made by political parties, and it is not inherently undemocratic. Political parties may choose different methods for nominating candidates based on their specific goals, circumstances, and strategic considerations.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Trump wreck ;economy ,infrastructure ,healthcare ,foreign policy ,Covid ,there’s lots and lots more thaipo as far as Harris all VPs are support for the president they serve so she shares in the legislative results achieved by this administration of witch there are many.

Witch, whitch, or what ?

[Tug]

21 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Witch, whitch, or what ?

Hate that spell check but I do believe you get my drift…ehh?

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

What has she done that makes her so qualified?  Name 3 accomplishments  as VP.  You can't.  Trump was a very successful President for 4 years.  Name 3 things where Trump was a wreck.

 

Kamala Harris' work as a VP is, as with pretty much all VPs, behind the scenes and in support of the President who is the leader and takes all the credit and blame for things. There's a reason you don't hear about them much. But if you're lacking information about the role she's played, it's described in this article.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/26/kamala-harris-vice-president-accomplishments/74534954007/

 

Out of curiousity, which VP would you say particularly distinguished themselves during their tenure? Mike Pence was similarly behind the scenes, but one must doff the cap for his perspicacity in not getting into that limo sent by Don Donald and having the moral and legal principles to not support the coup d'etat that Trump tried to set in motion.

 

As to Trump's being a wreck:

1. Passed one of the most regressive tax cuts in history leading to budget deficits of over $1 Trillion dollars and for minimum effect and tanked the economy during COVID-19 due to mismanagement.
2. Botched the COVID-19 response with his irresponsible and utterly moronic communications where he continuously undermined his experts and caused the deaths of as many Americans as perished because of the Vietnam War.
3. Disastrous in foreign policy undercutting NATO and other alliances and boosting dictators and enemies of the USA like Putin and Kim.

 

That's just some of the damage, there's lots more including impeachment, treason, stoking racial division and overseeing the government takeover of women's bodily autonomy through appointment of radical Supreme Court Justices.

[spidermike007]

Hillary Clinton was one of the worst campaigners in the last century, probably right up there with Mike Dukakis. Harris on the other hand seems to be very adept in this new campaign, she seems to be a fast learner, and I think she learned a lot from the last time around, and she's definitely picked up the ball and run with it quite well. 

 

I predict Harris by at least 11 million votes. Trump is a broken record at this point, he's increasingly incoherent, semi senile, and he's definitely losing the plot. See ya Don. May you and your super toxic family never be heard from again after this humiliating upcoming election loss. 

 

If Trump was serious about winning he could start by quitting hurling derogatory nicknames and ad hominem insults at his foes. He can ding Kamala on policy without making crass comments or veering into petty pot shots about her looks or gender that might make women balk.

He and his running mate must certainly avoid missteps like the one Vance made in 2021, when he blasted “childless cat ladies” who run the country but are “miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made.” He also foolishly suggested penalizing women without kids with higher taxes. For real?

Edited August 6 by spidermike007

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Hillary Clinton was one of the worst campaigners in the last century,

We all seem to have a short memory.

I have no love lost for Hillary, and the Clintons in general, but she did win the popular vote, and the Comey surprise a few days in the election was not her fault. IMO if it was not for Comey putting his thumb on the scale Hillary would had been the first female president. 

[spidermike007]

Just now, sirineou said:

We all seem to have a short memory.

I have no love lost for Hillary, and the Clintons in general, but she did win the popular vote, and the Comey surprise a few days in the election was not her fault. IMO if it was not for Comey putting his thumb on the scale Hillary would had been the first female president. 

I actually think she was quite a competent politician, and I think she would have made a good president. Her husband was a remarkably good president. But I don't think she was a good campaigner, she made a lot of mistakes, and said a lot of incredibly stupid things.