30 minutes ago, Purdey said:

And yet.... you don't give a link to anything that proves what you say. Whereas I can give lots. Don't be too sure your guesses will be proven.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gloats-debate-audience-went-crazybut-there-was-none

https://www.aol.com/trump-claims-audience-went-crazy-105012359.html

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/19/delusional-and-unsettling-forgets-there-was-no-debate-audience-claims-crowd-went-crazy/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-says-debate-audience-111201992.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGQUALBU1B-GusZ0qMhs_RMbrkFKZop-eQFnnzlOWCePQbx8ZvGHSMUXvBNwGMkM_GmCD0GFIdS-bjkmXQWDO55PwC3vhtQB8jNqN0VkhKlNiy_YD7pbkBFKj6aYtMGbisNYxBMSRz5uaq3tQJ_KpL1VRFid8YNiWVw5joy1k-WL

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-praises-nonexistent-debate-crowd-they-went-crazy-1956251

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/19/delusional-and-unsettling-forgets-there-was-no-debate-audience-claims-crowd-went-crazy/

https://newrepublic.com/post/186138/donald-trump-kamala-harris-debate-audience

 

And to finally smash your argument into the floor, here is Trump saying this himself.

 

THE AUDIENCE went crazy.  The AT HOME AUDIENCE he meant.

Are you so full of hate that you cannot see what he meant???

Trump was fact checked 5 times - ABC admitted it.

Donald Trump: ABC moderator Linsey Davis admits to fact-checking Trump due to concerns raised in CNN debate - Times of India (indiatimes.com)

Funny how that story about the ABC Moderator admitting she only fact checked Trump did not appear on CNN etc etc etc when I googled that search - it was only in India - maybe page 9 of the google results???   Can you hear and see what they do?? Are are you always going to be 'told' what to think and feel.  Mate - it is politics - they are ALL dirty and mean - and they are all biased to some degree. But unlike the MSM they dont claim to be independent journalists just telling the truth. 

Americans' trust in media plummets to historic low: poll (axios.com)

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Hey wants wrong with weed, TV, walls and bar girls? I dont drink.

 

Although the bar girls are pathetic here in Siem.  There was one last night tho, wow, but a bit yabaaed if you know what I mean so I passed

I hear you.

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I hate lady gaga, Liverpool and the Philadelphia flyers. must be a word normal Americans dont use.

Check the quote, I said Presidents use. Only two Bush and Trump. You right wingers hate a lot of stuff so that is to be assumed. 

27 minutes ago, Purdey said:

https://www.aier.org/article/trumps-economy/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/30/us-economy-grew-23-percent-2019-slowest-trumps-presidency-held-back-by-trade-fears-global-slowdown/

Read them and weep.

 

 

Paywall, alas not possible.

6 minutes ago, marin said:

Check the quote, I said Presidents use. Only two Bush and Trump. You right wingers hate a lot of stuff so that is to be assumed. 

Curious, how do you call me a right winger?

 

I believe in the US Constitution, that makes a person right wing? Because I oppose infanticide, lawfare, censorship, income redistribution, DEI, reparations, antisemitism and misogyny, that makes me right wing? How about my opposition to the endless wars and the power of the intelligence communities?  Thats was a Left wing posture in the 60s-70s, guess like so many other of their principled positions, its flexible.

 

Bet you know the Latin word for Left is "sinister". 

39 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

In 2016 was it not Clinton that was up by about 10 points - and more?? 

Is polls by the MSM biased - ROFLOL - of course they are - only a fool would think otherwise - same as Fox the other way.

 

There is only one Independent Polling mob that I believe - Trafalgar Group.

 

 

Trafalgar Group – Nationally Recognized Polling & Marketing Strategy (thetrafalgargroup.org)

 

 

 

Clinton went into the election up by 12% in the polls.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/23/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

 

So by that standard Kamala Harris is massively underperforming.

 

What the pollsters were unprepared for in 2016 was for white male working class voters turning out to vote in large numbers, Trump won 73% to 27% in that demographic.

 

To predict a Harris win now, is nothing but wishful thinking.

17 minutes ago, marin said:

Yeah like frenzy of angry malicious tweets. He outdid himself last week. "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT". Only the second time in presidential history a president has used the word hate. The other time was Bush in describing Saddam Hussein. He said. 

 

"I hate Saddam Hussein," the former president told Zahn. "I don't hate a lot of people. I don't hate easily, but I think he's, as I say, his word is no good and he's a brute. He's used poison gas on his own people. So, there's nothing redeeming about this man."

 

Saddam Hussein who killed millions of his own people hated by Bush.

 

Taylor Swift hated by an Donald Trump for endorsing Kamala Harris. A crazed old angry man who has lost touch with reality. 

Did Trump really say that in a tweet on 15th September - 5 days ago????

 

1. I agree - I hate her too.  She is a 34 year old pandering to the fantasies of 14 year olds - and her music is crap. 

2.  Trump haters and MSM who have for years stated they hate Trump publicly, get all upset and offended when he says in a mean tweet he hates someone?? ROFLOL 🤣

 

Pot and Kettle - right there for all to see - the false crocodile tears of liberals are flowing freely.

 

I am sure Trump also hates those hollyweirdos who have also said they dont support Trump - and much much worse about him - De Niro was unbelievable.

 

Speaking of liberal tears - looking forward to Nov election result.  Hey @Danderman123  What is the bet mate?? You called it.  Are you like those woke liberals when fronted with reality and then run away.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Clinton went into the election up by 12% in the polls.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/23/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

 

So by that standard Kamala Harris is massively underperforming.

 

What the pollsters were unprepared for in 2016 was for white male working class voters turning out to vote in large numbers, Trump won 73% to 27% in that demographic.

 

To predict a Harris win now, is nothing but wishful thinking.

Especially with her weakness in the Black and Hispanic vote.

 

Trump sure had enthusiasm at his NYC rally

25 minutes ago, marin said:

Check the quote, I said Presidents use. Only two Bush and Trump. You right wingers hate a lot of stuff so that is to be assumed. 

Correct me if I am wrong - you are saying Trump supporters hate and Dems supporters dont hate???

Maybe you live in another Universe - did you not see all the years of hatred against Trump.

That alone dwarfs any criticisms by conservatives against Obama, Biden and Harris combined.

Or is it that you think it is OK to hate Trump because 'orange man bad'???

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Clinton went into the election up by 12% in the polls.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/23/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

 

So by that standard Kamala Harris is massively underperforming.

 

What the pollsters were unprepared for in 2016 was for white male working class voters turning out to vote in large numbers, Trump won 73% to 27% in that demographic.

 

To predict a Harris win now, is nothing but wishful thinking.

And they are coming out in big numbers again mate - hopefully they will counter act all the silly women who might vote for Harris because - well, she is female.  Although Clinton won the female vote (in total) it was not enough the swing the massive tide against woke liberal values she was heading. Hopefully there are enough sane women who will vote for Trump again.

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Especially with her weakness in the Black and Hispanic vote.

 

Trump sure had enthusiasm at his NYC rally

 

I also think  in Polls some people are reluctant to say that they will vote for Trump. But on election night they come out and vote for Trump. Hence these election night surges for Trump in 2016 and 2020.

4 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

And they are coming out in big numbers again mate - hopefully they will counter act all the silly women who might vote for Harris because - well, she is female.  Although Clinton won the female vote (in total) it was not enough the swing the massive tide against woke liberal values she was heading. Hopefully there are enough sane women who will vote for Trump again.

 

In 2016, funnily enough, it was women that helped Trump win.

 

"Clinton picked up 54 percent of women voters compared with Trump’s mere 42 percent. But Trump outperformed Clinton among white women, winning 53 percent of voters in that demographic. Drilling down further, he beat Clinton among white women without college degrees by 27 points. In the three states that decided the election — Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan — that margin was enough to send Trump to the White House.""

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14061660/women-march-washington-vote-trump

 

 

2 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Sorry you dont have the 'skills' to understand the points we both made in our rational debate, and that it was done without personal abuse or insult.  So very much unlike your own response. 

Where is the insult on my part? I see yours.

39 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

In 2016, funnily enough, it was women that helped Trump win.

 

"Clinton picked up 54 percent of women voters compared with Trump’s mere 42 percent. But Trump outperformed Clinton among white women, winning 53 percent of voters in that demographic. Drilling down further, he beat Clinton among white women without college degrees by 27 points. In the three states that decided the election — Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan — that margin was enough to send Trump to the White House.""

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14061660/women-march-washington-vote-trump

 

 

And that is exactly why the Dems leaders selected Harris - she is female and colour. They see that as a winning strategy instead of a senile old man with dementia - the same senile old man with dementia that they and the MSM denied for years. They are all about winning power and they will do anything to keep that power - and they dont care if it hurts ordinary Americans when they implement their socialist greenie DEI agenda. 

33 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Where is the insult on my part? I see yours.

I responded in kind to one of the only intelligent and rational responses I got (not from yourself) with my own and we both exchanged a few more points. The result was we clearly understood each other's views and we agreed to disagree.

And then in response to my last post to the other member, you jump in and accuse me of 'running away'.

 

Like most things you say - completely missed the issues and points. That is why jumping into someone else's conversation is not always a smart thing to do - because you are not aware of what actually happened previously.

10 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

And that is exactly why the Dems leaders selected Harris - she is female and colour. They see that as a winning strategy instead of a senile old man with dementia - the same senile old man with dementia that they and the MSM denied for years. They are all about winning power and they will do anything to keep that power - and they dont care if it hurts ordinary Americans when they implement their socialist greenie DEI agenda. 

 

Yes, as Musk said, the ultimate DEI hire.

 

How is this woman up in Pennsylvania by 3?

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, as Musk said, the ultimate DEI hire.

How is this woman up in Pennsylvania by 3?

A day is a long time in politics - plenty of time to turn that around.

Harris is just about over the honeymoon period - reality will hit in October and that is when things will become clearer.

 

40 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I responded in kind to one of the only intelligent and rational responses I got (not from yourself) with my own and we both exchanged a few more points. The result was we clearly understood each other's views and we agreed to disagree.

And then in response to my last post to the other member, you jump in and accuse me of 'running away'.

 

Like most things you say - completely missed the issues and points. That is why jumping into someone else's conversation is not always a smart thing to do - because you are not aware of what actually happened previously.

Right, you're the smart one who believes in Trump 

4 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Right, you're the smart one who believes in Trump 

And you are the dumb one - or did I get that around the wrong way??

Just now, TroubleandGrumpy said:

And you are the dumb one - or did I get that around the wrong way??

Whatever you want, tired off you.

T&G, are you worried about black GOP gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson dragging Trump down in N. Carolina with his " I am a black Nazi" proclamation on numerous adult sites? Donald really loves this guy and he is already behind in the polls looks like it could lead to a loss for Trump. 

A post again using a derogatory nickname and all replies have been removed.

27 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Whatever you want, tired off you.

Deal - me too. Or is that a woke liberal thing to say??

25 minutes ago, marin said:

T&G, are you worried about black GOP gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson dragging Trump down in N. Carolina with his " I am a black Nazi" proclamation on numerous adult sites? Donald really loves this guy and he is already behind in the polls looks like it could lead to a loss for Trump. 

Am I worried about an MSM lead media fake news attack??

About as much as I am about Trump slagging off on Taylor Swift.

Not a problem.  Soon forgotten when the MSM start hate campaigns.

Dont worry - our side will do it too.

 

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

A day is a long time in politics - plenty of time to turn that around.

Harris is just about over the honeymoon period - reality will hit in October and that is when things will become clearer.

 

 

Good point, the margin of error is 3 percent and Trump is known for his late surges.

 

Hopefully he gets Pennsylvania. Would be a travesty if Kamala's fracking hypocrisy paid off for her.

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Am I worried about an MSM lead media fake news attack??

About as much as I am about Trump slagging off on Taylor Swift.

Not a problem.  Soon forgotten when the MSM start hate campaigns.

Dont worry - our side will do it too.

To me this does not look that good, Trump heaping praise on the guy is going to look bad and he really needs North Carolina. Plus think about the Jewish vote overall. Its good for the Dems that Trump has trouble keeping his mouth shut.

 

Seems to be a game changer. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Clinton went into the election up by 12% in the polls.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/23/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

 

So by that standard Kamala Harris is massively underperforming.

 

What the pollsters were unprepared for in 2016 was for white male working class voters turning out to vote in large numbers, Trump won 73% to 27% in that demographic.

 

To predict a Harris win now, is nothing but wishful thinking.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

 

Actually, polls had Hilary leading by 3 or 4 points, which was close to the actual numbers.

 

Sorry to embarrass you.

1 hour ago, marin said:

To me this does not look that good, Trump heaping praise on the guy is going to look bad and he really needs North Carolina. Plus think about the Jewish vote overall. Its good for the Dems that Trump has trouble keeping his mouth shut.

 

Seems to be a game changer. 

 

 

Trump endorsed this Black Nazi.

1 hour ago, marin said:

To me this does not look that good, Trump heaping praise on the guy is going to look bad and he really needs North Carolina. Plus think about the Jewish vote overall. Its good for the Dems that Trump has trouble keeping his mouth shut.

 

Seems to be a game changer. 

 

 

He denies making those remarks - lets see how it goes going forward.

It could be like what Trump said about Charlottesville - or it could be bad if it was true.

 

Yes - a Trump political weakness is his inability to sometimes just shut up.

Ann Coulter has called him out several times about it.

But the truth is he is blunt and direct - not a smooth lying politician/diplomat. 

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

Actually, polls had Hilary leading by 3 or 4 points, which was close to the actual numbers.

 

Sorry to embarrass you.

What's the bet - chicken ?? Scared Trump will win and you will lose??  Come on - lets have a bet !!

 

Quote from late October 2016 - Hillary Clinton has a 12-point lead over Donald Trump and has reached 50% support nationally among likely voters, a new ABC News tracking poll shows.

Presidential poll: Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 12 | CNN Politics

 

Sorry to embarrass you, so soon after you embarrassed yourself.