Feel sorry for AN posters who bought electric

[malathione]

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It says that EVs are great for some lifestyles, not so ideal for others.  If I ever become a 2 car family again (of me, myself and I), my primary car will be an EV.  Because they're ideal for 80% of my usage.  But totally unsuited for that other 20%, based on current infrastructure and my occasional road trips to the boondocks.

 

Until the infrastructure matures, I'll stick with ICE because it meets 99% of my needs.  I still need to occasionally hire a big truck for moving stuff, even with a van in the USA and a pickup in Thailand.

 

But I don't hate EVs.  I'm cheering them on, and hoping the technologies catch on for other uses.  Like (for example) charging the car at night when the electricity is cheap, and using it to power the house when rates skyrocket during peak times.  That could save a lot of us $100's on electricity every month, even if it seldom leaves the driveway.  For others, it's not a benefit.

 

Absolutely. And I concur. What gets my goat is some of the EV militants who think their lifestyle is all that exists. If I were to drive largely in town or just take short hops, no question, EV's are far superior.

[richard_smith237]

On 9/30/2024 at 12:18 PM, MalcolmB said:

The climate deniers love pointing out that electric cars depreciate.

While ignoring that all cars depreciate.

They are not very bright generally. 

 

I would hesitate to label those opposed to electric vehicles (EVs) as climate deniers, as such a generalization reflects poorly on the one making it as do sweeping generalizations of any such manner. 

 

That said, my primary concern about EVs relates to their retained value once the battery warranty expires.

 

I am open to hearing factual insights regarding any depreciation or stability in value at that point.

 

While I have encountered articles suggesting that EVs do not experience a significant drop in value after the warranty ends, I would appreciate more substantial evidence before committing to an EV - Though as the competition grows EV’s are starting look like a far more viable option, especially Bangkok and my next car is likely to be an EV. 

 

 

That said - from another perspective China coal extraction & consumption has increase by 3x over the past decade (no link to that as I’m on my phone, but factual articles are out there highlighting this). 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I would hesitate to label those opposed to electric vehicles (EVs) as climate deniers,

I didn’t say that

[UWEB]

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Amazing,

Since 5 month I have my EV now and have driven 6500 km. In the first two month I have had no own Wall Charger at home and had to use public Chargers and payed 2.700 THB for 2500 km driving. For the other 4000 km I used my own Charger connected to my Solar, so I paid nothing at all.

[KhunLA]

41 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Since 5 month I have my EV now and have driven 6500 km. In the first two month I have had no own Wall Charger at home and had to use public Chargers and payed 2.700 THB for 2500 km driving. For the other 4000 km I used my own Charger connected to my Solar, so I paid nothing at all.

My last ICEV would have cost ~฿6400 to drive 2500 kms

If charging at home @ ฿5 / kWh, our EV would cost ... ~฿1600

฿2700 @ CS ... not bad at all, considering the alterative  ~฿6400

Also charge at home w/excess solar 👍

[Celsius]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

My last ICEV would have cost ~฿6400 to drive 2500 kms

If charging at home @ ฿5 / kWh, our EV would cost ... ~฿1600

฿2700 @ CS ... not bad at all, considering the alterative  ~฿6400

Also charge at home w/excess solar 👍

 

And so what? 

 

My wife pays big fat zero for gas. She gets refunded in full every month by her company. Also insurance. One of the reasons why she won't switch to electric. Charging at home is not a reality for many.

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, G_Money said:

So how many charging stations have you been to?  Approximately 

 

All over Thailand or only close by you home?

We're O&A more than most, I think, and have used about 50 CS (public Charging Stations), in 23 months, and only 1 was inop.   Simply went to the next one down the road, think it was 12 kms away.

 

Before you ask, have yet to Q up, and wait to plug in.  One was full when we arrived, but before we had time to check the app for next available, it was free to use.

 

And we've traveled weekends, long weekend, as far north as Chiang Mai, and south to Betong, Yala, east to Trat, and most places in between.  Only made it to Nong Bua LamPhu (furthest) in the NE.

 

[SingAPorn]

Electric car sales are crashing low all over the world. Nobody in Europe wants to switch to electric plainly because that these cars will be useless after multiple charging cycles of the batteries. Not to forget the drop in the charge in the harsh cold climates anywhere. An EV may claim say to run 500 or 600 km with one charge. But keep in mind that this capacity drops as fast as the temperatures can drop in harsh winters of the west. Really not a good deal for the moment to switch EV. Sales are dwindling all over the world as consumers are aware that for the moment it is not a good deal. Sorry.

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

And so what? 

 

My wife pays big fat zero for gas. She gets refunded in full every month by her company. Also insurance. One of the reasons why she won't switch to electric. Charging at home is not a reality for many.

Well ... like you said ... so what ?

 

If some company said, we'll give you a free car, gas, insurance, just put in your 40 hrs a week for us ... .think I'd say shove it.  I have a BEV & Solar ... 

 

That's one pineapple & beef steak comparison ... 😎

What ever spin works for you.

[Celsius]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Well ... like you said ... so what ?

 

If some company said, we'll give you a free car, gas, insurance, just put in your 40 hrs a week for us ... .think I'd say shove it.  I have a BEV & Solar ... 

 

That's one pineapple & beef steak comparison ... 😎

What ever spin works for you.

 

It is absolutely the same comparison ad you charging at home.

 

And that map of yours is not based in reality. Wifey drives to Chonburi/Rayong once a week to visit customers and if there are any charging stations they are not on the way. If she was driving electric she would get fired.

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

It is absolutely the same comparison ad you charging at home.

Seriously ... I did a simple cost comparison. 

 

You did a lifestyle comparison.   Just a wee bit different.  Now for a fair (almost) comparison.

 

You have a choice of 2 cars ...

... identical buy in cost

... same comfort level

... same performance level (being kind)

 

BUT ... one cost at least 2X to operate & maintain, which would you take ?

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, malathione said:

Absolutely. And I concur. What gets my goat is some of the EV militants who think their lifestyle is all that exists. If I were to drive largely in town or just take short hops, no question, EV's are far superior.

As far as I can recall, not a single EV owner on this forum has stated that EVs are suited for everyone. Most have gone to great lengths to state exactly the opposite, that if you are a regular long distance driver or have no access to home charging, an EV is probably not a good choice.

 

No one has ever stated that their lifestyles is all that exists. However, I personally don’t know anyone who regularly drives long distances, requiring multiple charging stops to reach their destinations. I’ve had my EV for over a year. The longest journey I’ve made since buying it was from CM to Pai. Did this without having to stop and charge anywhere. If I were to go to Bkk from CM, to where I used to live, it’s a distance of 720 km. This would require 1 charging stop, same as for an ICEV. Since I would have to make multiple stops for food, rest and nature calls, I don’t see how an EV would be inferior in performance.

 

Of course there will always be someone different. There was a poster recently who claims that he drives from Phuket to BKK 5 times a week. Also, he gets calls from his employer in the middle of the night telling him to make a 300 km journey pronto. In his case, he really should just drive a pickup with an auxiliary fuel tank in his cab.

[UWEB]

16 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Electric car sales are crashing low all over the world. Nobody in Europe wants to switch to electric plainly because that these cars will be useless after multiple charging cycles of the batteries. Not to forget the drop in the charge in the harsh cold climates anywhere. An EV may claim say to run 500 or 600 km with one charge. But keep in mind that this capacity drops as fast as the temperatures can drop in harsh winters of the west. Really not a good deal for the moment to switch EV. Sales are dwindling all over the world as consumers are aware that for the moment it is not a good deal. Sorry.

Yes, that's why the a Country like Norway has no EV's at all, just too cold.

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-09-norway-electric-car-sales-world.html

[Gweiloman]

15 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

And so what? 

 

My wife pays big fat zero for gas. She gets refunded in full every month by her company. Also insurance. One of the reasons why she won't switch to electric. Charging at home is not a reality for many.

 

8 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

It is absolutely the same comparison ad you charging at home.

 

And that map of yours is not based in reality. Wifey drives to Chonburi/Rayong once a week to visit customers and if there are any charging stations they are not on the way. If she was driving electric she would get fired.

What complete nonsense and utter rubbish. If I was still working and my company was paying for my petrol, of course I would drive a petrol car. On the other hand, if my company was paying for my electricity bill at home, which was in fact the case and not for my petrol, then I would drive an EV. 
 

Just because your “wifey” visits customers in the middle of nowhere where they are probably burning kerosene in oil lamps for light doesn’t mean that there aren’t PTT, PT and Bangchak charging stations along the way. And if doesn’t see any charging stations, it’s probably because she isn’t looking for one (why would she?) or visually challenged, to say the least.

[Gweiloman]

21 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Electric car sales are crashing low all over the world. Nobody in Europe wants to switch to electric plainly because that these cars will be useless after multiple charging cycles of the batteries. Not to forget the drop in the charge in the harsh cold climates anywhere. An EV may claim say to run 500 or 600 km with one charge. But keep in mind that this capacity drops as fast as the temperatures can drop in harsh winters of the west. Really not a good deal for the moment to switch EV. Sales are dwindling all over the world as consumers are aware that for the moment it is not a good deal. Sorry.

If EV sales are crashing all over the world, why does the US want to impose a 100% tariff on Chinese made EVs and the EU imposing over 40% tariffs? 
 

Cleverer people than you have done research and tests to show that modern EV batteries have a useful life of over 5,000 cycles. This easily covers a period of over 12 years by which time, the car (not the battery) has probably reached its end of life.

 

I would be glad if Thailand would have a colder climate. Sadly though, the coldest it ever gets, realistically, is about 16 degrees C. I actually think an EV battery would love this cooler temperature.

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, UWEB said:

Since 5 month I have my EV now and have driven 6500 km. In the first two month I have had no own Wall Charger at home and had to use public Chargers and payed 2.700 THB for 2500 km driving. For the other 4000 km I used my own Charger connected to my Solar, so I paid nothing at all.

 

Your solar install was free..... Amazing.

[Andrew Dwyer]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

[JBChiangRai]

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

All I am hearing from EV owners here is that they are very happy with their purchases.

 

The only people that seem to have strong opinions against EV’s is those members who are ignorant of the ownership experience.

 

The OP admitted he lied in his titling of this thread, so what exactly is the motivation? Could it be jealousy? 

[Ralf001]

40 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

And so what? 

 

My wife pays big fat zero for gas. She gets refunded in full every month by her company. Also insurance. One of the reasons why she won't switch to electric. Charging at home is not a reality for many.

I'd buy an EV for the novelty value but similar to your wife... My employer gives me a fuel with 10k allowance each month, pays for my insurance and vehicle servicing.

[Andrew Dwyer]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

But I don't hate EVs.  I'm cheering them on, and hoping the technologies catch on for other uses.  Like (for example) charging the car at night when the electricity is cheap, and using it to power the house when rates skyrocket during peak times.  That could save a lot of us $100's on electricity every month, even if it seldom leaves the driveway.  For others, it's not a benefit.

 

Actually there’s a TOU ( Time of use ) meter that can be installed which will provide electricity at 2.6 baht/kilowatt on off peak hours ( 10.00 pm to 9.00 am Mon thru Fri and all day on Sat/Sun and public holidays.

I have one purely designated for my EV.

But there’s a regular poster on here who charges his car with solar during daylight hours and uses the car to power his house at nighttime.

[motdaeng]

40 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Nobody in Europe wants to switch to electric plainly because that these cars will be useless after multiple charging cycles of the batteries.

 

what complete nonsense! who told you that? did you come up with this on your own?

 

modern batteries, such as lithium-ion, typically last between 2,000 to 4,000 charge cycles before their capacity degrades (to about 70%).

this results in a range of 600,000 km or more. even after so many charge cycles, the car remains fully functional and can continue to drive

reliably for many years after. a 70% capacity is still more than sufficient for most daily use (e.g., 450 km x 70% = 315 km).

 

 

 

[Gweiloman]

5 hours ago, G_Money said:

So you had to have a charger installed at home?  I doubt an extension cord (110 in US) would work.

 

So the moral of the story is they are really only good for local around the house, not too far traveling.

 

Long distance is a crap shoot.  Generator on back.

Pretty much all EV owners in Thailand have a wall charger included when they purchased their vehicle. Free installation too. It’s not my fault that the US lacks behind the rest of the world even when it comes to the electricity infrastructure.

 

As for far travelling/long distance, it’s all relative. If you’re doing 1,000 km trips regularly in the US, then don’t buy an EV as the charging infrastructure, much like the rest of the infrastructure is 3rd world. In Thailand, this is a walk in the park.

[JBChiangRai]

Please feel sorry for me, I’m an EV owner.

 

Please feel very sorry for me because I have now bought 1 PHEV and 3 BEV’s.

 

Please feel sorry for me because my depreciation at resale was excellent.

 

Please feel sorry for me because I hate driving around in total silence with 530 hp under my right foot which is delivered instantaneously to all 4 wheels with a slight RWD bias allowing me to pull tricks and drift.

 

Please feel sorry for me because I only got an 8 year parts and Labour warranty.

 

Please feel sorry for me because I only got eight years free servicing.

 

Please feel sorry for me because it costs me nothing to refuel.

 

Please feel sorry for me because I can hardly contain the joy every time I get in the driving seat and floor the accelerator.

 

Please feel sorry for me because I keep making the same mistake and being delighted with it.

 

I really need your pity, I am clearly so unhappy.

[UWEB]

17 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Your solar install was free..... Amazing.

Solar was installed to supply power for my two Houses, Pool and Irrigation System. To charge the Car is just a Bonus. Amazing... isn't it?

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I would hesitate to label those opposed to electric vehicles (EVs) as climate deniers,

I didn’t say that

 

Correct - you didn't say (write) that 'exact statement' if you wish to get technical. 

 

You wrote.. 

[The climate deniers love pointing out that electric cars depreciate.

While ignoring that all cars depreciate.

They are not very bright generally. ]

 

 

- Which implies, a link between climate deniers and those who'd argue against EV's...

Perhaps your writing is so poor you were unable to disassociate the two separate points in your comments, or the association was as deliberate as your accusation... ergo implying those who don't support EV's are not very bright, generally'..... 

 

Nevertheless, it was another one of your 'generally' not very bright' generalisations...     

 

 

 

I read the comment and the 'top line and author was scrolled off the page'...  I thought, what fool wrote this'...     there was no surprise when I scrolled up the page !!! 

 

 

[Ralf001]

40 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Solar was installed to supply power for my two Houses, Pool and Irrigation System. To charge the Car is just a Bonus. Amazing... isn't it?

indeed amazing.

[KhunLA]

42 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Solar was installed to supply power for my two Houses, Pool and Irrigation System. To charge the Car is just a Bonus. Amazing... isn't it?

Yea, for some reason, they simply don't get it.  Our solar, barely, sometimes not even produces enough energy to power the house, IF waned to run both ACs, so need to be conservative that day. 

 

Means the cost of that system, was to power the house, not the EVs.  For us, we didn't even have the BEV (car).  Having solar was definitely added motivation to get a BEV (car).

 

That it does produce enough excess to power the EVs, at no extra cost, is a bonus.  So the EVs are energized at no extra expense = FREE in my world.

 

Didn't cost anything extra = FREE

 

Maybe this will help ...

"I'll have a coffee"

"Would you care for some pie?"

"No thanks, I don't have enough money"

"No problem, no extra charge"

"You mean FREE ?"

[JBChiangRai]

41 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Solar was installed to supply power for my two Houses, Pool and Irrigation System. To charge the Car is just a Bonus. Amazing... isn't it?

Me too.

 

@Bandersnatch too

 

@KhunLA too

 

I’m detecting a theme here amongst us EV owners you feel sorry for.