V P Debate

[Hanaguma]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

"Blame the moderators" = "we lost".

Not blaming them because Vance won in spite of their interference. Merely highlighting why Republicans are not surprisingly reluctant to appear on these kinds of debates. 

[watthong]

22 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Vance is a man in his prime. Walz is a man about to enter decrepitude, going on 70. 

It was a slaughter.

 

"It was a slaughter - " go on, finish your sentence, the suspense is killing me...

Nevertheless,  I have to take issues with "Vance is a man in his prime":

One, "a man in his prime" shouldn't feel so much desperation as to do kamikaze with his own political career. Two, which "man in his prime" wears eyeliner (maybe already tattooed in  just for convenience's sake), defines real men as men who live within 30 mile radius of  their mommy, and wears more than one beard, one on his face the other at home cooking curry? (wink-wink, nudge-nudge).

 

[watthong]

Sign of desperation: debating who won the VP debate.

Yawn.

[Cameroni]

9 minutes ago, watthong said:

Sign of desperation: debating who won the VP debate.

Yawn.

Believe me, I understand why you do not want to talk about this debate. 

 

Lol. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

ABC News' fact check of the VP debate comments:

 

"WALZ CLAIM: Gov. Walz said, "The persons closest to them, to Donald Trump, said he is unfit for the highest office. That is Senator Vance."

 

FACT-CHECK: True

 

Vance has shifted his view toward Trump since he first rose to prominence. Early in his career, Vance made a number of comments that were disparaging toward Trump. The specific comment that Walz seems to be referencing here is from a 2016 New York Times op-ed written by Vance ahead of the release of his book "Hillbilly Elegy." In the op-ed, Vance wrote, "Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation's highest office." [emphasis added]

 

In years since the op-ed was published, Vance has said his views on Trump changed."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-tim-walz-jd-vances-vp-debate/story?id=114405195

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

'I've never liked him': See how JD Vance changed his tune on Trump

"Ohio Sen. JD Vance has been formally nominated to become Donald Trump's running mate in the 2024 presidential election. But back in 2016, he was a fierce opponent, saying Trump could be "America's Hitler." "

 

July 15, 2024

 

[past Vance comments on Trump reported in this CNN video report]

 

 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/video/jd-vance-trump-pivot-digvid

 

 

Edited October 2 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Danderman123]

Independents went for Walz

 

Not that it will matter much.

 

Okay, back to the insults.

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

OOh OOH can I take that one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, he did.

I don't think the other Trumpers will answer.

 

Hey, @thaibeachlovers, do you agree that Trump lost the 2020 election?

Edited October 2 by Danderman123

[theblether]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Apparently, the foreigners here don't like Walz.

 

I suspect that real Americans will be just fine with him as VP.

 

You appear to be irritated that we foreigners have an opinion on the next "leader of the free world" and their VP. 

 

We'll continue to have an opinion as long as Our Boys are lying in the graves marked "yet another American war." 

[Cameroni]

But it was Vance who left the best impression with viewers, after a strong start against a nervy opponent and despite dodging a question on if Trump lost the 2020 election.

 

According to the DailyMail.com/J.L Partners poll of 801 likely voters, 50 percent said Vance won the debate compared to just 43 percent who said Walz was the victor.

 

In an unfortunate slip of the tongue he then said: 'I've become friends with school shooters'.

 

It's unclear what he meant to say.

 

Another viewer who was full of praise for Vance was the former president, who spent the night commentating on every development on the New York stage. 

 

'JD crushed it! Walz was a Low IQ Disaster - Very much like Kamala,' Trump said in one of his many Truth Social posts during the evening.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13914759/Who-won-debate-J-D-Vance-Tim-Walz-poll.html

[candide]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

But it was Vance who left the best impression with viewers, after a strong start against a nervy opponent and despite dodging a question on if Trump lost the 2020 election.

 

According to the DailyMail.com/J.L Partners poll of 801 likely voters, 50 percent said Vance won the debate compared to just 43 percent who said Walz was the victor.

 

In an unfortunate slip of the tongue he then said: 'I've become friends with school shooters'.

 

It's unclear what he meant to say.

 

Another viewer who was full of praise for Vance was the former president, who spent the night commentating on every development on the New York stage. 

 

'JD crushed it! Walz was a Low IQ Disaster - Very much like Kamala,' Trump said in one of his many Truth Social posts during the evening.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13914759/Who-won-debate-J-D-Vance-Tim-Walz-poll.html

J.L. partners is one of the worst rated pollster in the U.S. and ranks 145 according to 538. 😃

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

[Danderman123]

35 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

You appear to be irritated that we foreigners have an opinion on the next "leader of the free world" and their VP. 

 

We'll continue to have an opinion as long as Our Boys are lying in the graves marked "yet another American war." 

Was the 2020 election stolen?

[Cameroni]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

J.L. partners is one of the worst rated pollster in the U.S. and ranks 145 according to 538. 😃

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

No they don't. That's not how 538 rank them. 

[candide]

26 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No they don't. That's not how 538 rank them. 

You already had the link to check by yourself... (actually 144th, not 145th) 😃

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Edited October 2 by candide

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, theblether said:

My personal favourite - "why did you lie about being in Tianamen Square." 

 

"Well, I was a cyclist when I was a kid blah bah ( a few moments later )." 

 

"uhuhu, but the question was - why did you lie about being in Tianamen Square?" 

 

"Aye, eh - I mispoke." 

What is it about Democrats and making stuff up?

 

I give you Hillary Clinton that "landed under fire" which was IMO an outright lie, though she claims it was a mistake .

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/clinton-calls-bosnia-sniper-fire-story-a-mistake-idUSN25408114/

GREENSBURG, Pa., March 25 (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday she made a mistake when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady.
In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

I don't think the other Trumpers will answer.

 

Hey, @thaibeachlovers, do you agree that Trump lost the 2020 election?

Stop baiting me.

[Danderman123]

Trump needed a win in the debate, something that would change the movement of the polls. Instead, it was another lost day, with few left.

 

Maybe the 60 Minutes interview with Harris will knock her off her stride, but that's the last chance for something to impact the direction of the race, which is now looking like a win for Harris.

 

Anyone think that Trump's ground game will save him?

 

Trump hasn't gotten more than 47% of the vote in an election yet. He'll need a miracle to get to 48% and that may not be enough.

 

 

[bunnydrops]

8 hours ago, theblether said:

And as I said, Hong Kong was not China in 1989, he wasn't at Tianamen

Maybe I am missing something in your line of thought, but Tiananmen Square is in Beijing, not Hong Kong.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What is it about Democrats and making stuff up?

 

I give you Hillary Clinton that "landed under fire" which was IMO an outright lie, though she claims it was a mistake .

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/clinton-calls-bosnia-sniper-fire-story-a-mistake-idUSN25408114/

GREENSBURG, Pa., March 25 (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday she made a mistake when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady.
In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia.

A minor lie from 1996 that you can't get over.

 

Last night, Vance claimed that Trump saved the ACA.

 

The reality is that Trump opposed the ACA and tried to kill it.

 

Ending the ACA would have cost 20 million Americans their health insurance.

 

Your sense of values is severely damaged if you can't distinguish between a minor lie from 30 years ago, and Vance's distortion last night.

 

Why do you think Vance lied about the ACA?

[renaissanc]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The exchange where billionaire's owned venture capital boy / sleazeball Vance refused to say that Trump lost in 2020 will be the one thing remembered from this debate. Thus -- Walz Won. 

The Dem-Marxists are already cheating again with the help of the DoJ in multiple states. Of course,  CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. won't tell you that. ... Try to keep up!

[Olav Seglem]

And Vance said he didnt belive his "boss" lost 2020 election.......

(Or, more correct, refused answer a direct question on the issue)

Show his real caracter....

[Luuk Chaai]

10 hours ago, theblether said:

If I were a Democrat I'd just take the L and move on. 

 

Tim Walz was an utter embarrassment. As Frank Luntz said : "His line about making friends with school shooters is the worst line ever heard in a VP debate." 

 

My personal favourite - "why did you lie about being in Tianamen Square." 

 

"Well, I was a cyclist when I was a kid blah bah ( a few moments later )." 

 

"uhuhu, but the question was - why did you lie about being in Tianamen Square?" 

 

"Aye, eh - I mispoke." 

 

Idiot - and that goes for anyone trying to defend him. 

 

ps - for the less bright among you, in 1989 Hong Kong was  British colony. It wasn't part of China or under Chinese communist party rule. 

 

#justsayin'

  aka the old Dem gaslight ..   he should have just said the obvious..  I'm a Bullsh**er  

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Not blaming them because Vance won in spite of their interference. Merely highlighting why Republicans are not surprisingly reluctant to appear on these kinds of debates. 

Republican candidate seem reluctant to have their facts checked.

[flexomike]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Apparently, the foreigners here don't like Walz.

 

I suspect that real Americans will be just fine with him as VP.

 I am from MN and I think he will make a terrible Vice President.

[simple1]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems a draw.

 

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/10/02/live-jd-vance-and-tim-walzs-vice-presidential-debate/

Immediate post-debate polls by CNN and CBS News appear to indicate American voters are split on who won. 

According to a CNN instant poll, 51% of polled voters said Vance did a better job at the debate, while 49% picked Walz instead. 

Meanwhile, in its poll, CBS News reported 42% said Vance won, 41% said Walz won, while 17% said it was a tie. 

 

I f measured by the least amount of lies / misinformation, Walz won. More than that though, yet again Vance failed to acknowledge trump's proven false claims regarding the 2020 election therefore unfit for VP role as is trump for President.

[Hanaguma]

27 minutes ago, flexomike said:

 I am from MN and I think he will make a terrible Vice President.

He and Harris both are prime examples of the Peter Principle in real time.

[HappyExpat57]

Neither won. What we expected to be a throw-down was a sissy schoolyard slap fight.

 

The only real standout moment was when Vance got his wee wee caught in his zipper by his weak attempt at deflecting the question whether or not his devil slave master lost the 2020 election.

 

Otherwise a decided yawn.

[newnative]

11 hours ago, impulse said:

 

He's playing to the base...

CNN Poll: Percentage of Republicans who think Biden’s 2020 win was illegitimate ticks back up near 70%

 

Also:   There has been an uptick in the share of political independents who feel that it’s at least somewhat likely, though, from 42% who felt that way last summer to 53% now.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html

 

It's okay if you have 70% who disagree with policy.  But you have a real problem if 70% don't trust the election results.  Not to mention millions and millions of Dems that don't trust the results, and over half (53%) of the independents.

 

His refusal is a neutral.  Won't cost him anything with voters who don't have the syndrome.

 

 

 

      Those stats leave me sad.   Sad that the Big Lie theory, used so effectively by Nazi Germany, is still very effective as a propaganda tool.  Tell a Big Lie often enough, and loud enough, and a percentage of the population will eventually believe the Big Lie, no matter what it is, no matter how preposterous.  Trump has the notoriety to both tell the Big Lie very often, but, more importantly, very loudly in the way of wide publicity.

     Trump did exactly that in 2020, beginning even before the election was held, and he's doing the same thing in 2024.  Sad that, with those percentage numbers, the Big Lie worked in 2020 and likely will work to some degree in 2024, as well, should he lose.  If he wins, of course, never mind!--everything was hunky dory with the election.  Sad that's the state of things in my country.

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

      Those stats leave me sad.   Sad that the Big Lie theory, used so effectively by Nazi Germany, is still very effective as a propaganda tool.  Tell a Big Lie often enough, and loud enough, and a percentage of the population will eventually believe the Big Lie, no matter what it is, no matter how preposterous.  Trump has the notoriety to both tell the Big Lie very often, but, more importantly, very loudly in the way of wide publicity.

     Trump did exactly that in 2020, beginning even before the election was held, and he's doing the same thing in 2024.  Sad that, with those percentage numbers, the Big Lie worked in 2020 and likely will work to some degree in 2024, as well, should he lose.  If he wins, of course, never mind!--everything was hunky dory with the election.  Sad that's the state of things in my country.

 

Don't you think it's a little arrogant to believe that you have the singular correct answer and probably 60+ million people are wrong?  Hell, I'm open to the possibility that both all sides cheated and one side just did it better. 

 

But don't try to tell me there was no cheating, no smurfing, and no balloting irregularities.  And that there won't be any in 2024.

 

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, renaissanc said:

The Dem-Marxists are already cheating again with the help of the DoJ in multiple states. Of course,  CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. won't tell you that. ... Try to keep up!

Garbage misinformation.