Achieving Lasting Peace in the Middle East Requires Regime Change in Iran

[candide]

53 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The Palestinian leadership want a Palestinian state under Sharia law and similar to Iran's political system , its in the Palestinian  charter .

   That's why Iran funds Hamas .

   Do you want to retract your joke ?

Which leadership? Hamas or PA?

Which charter? Hamas?

[Nick Carter icp]

56 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

, its in the Palestinian  charter .

   

 

1 minute ago, candide said:

 

Which charter? Hamas?

 

   The,  errrm Palestinian charter

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Have another change , Democratic Countries change their leadership every five years , Iran can do the same .

Yes Democratic countries do, and Iran did just that, but it was not to the liking of the U.S. and UK:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes Democratic countries do, and Iran did just that, but it was not to the liking of the U.S. and UK:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

 

 

   Just did that ?

1953 was the year, 71 years ago .

They didn't mean 19.53 , seven minutes to 8 O'clock last night .

   We are talking about the future and not the past 

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Just did that ?

1953 was the year, 71 years ago .

They didn't mean 19.53 , seven minutes to 8 O'clock last night .

   We are talking about the future and not the past 

Yep, a long history of interfering in the internal affairs of Iran.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   The,  errrm Palestinian charter

There are two charters, the PLO charter, usually called the Palestinian National Charter, which has been amended several times, and the Hamas charter. Which one are you talking about?

Up to my knowledge, the Palestinian National Charter does not refer to sharia law.

You also conveniently avoided to specify which Palestinian leadership you were referring to: the Hamas or the Palestinian authority?

Edited October 10 by candide

[koolkarl]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

As long as there is NO 2 state solution, nor as long as Israel continues to slaughter innocent Palestinian men, women, children and babies.

It is the other way around Ahmed.  It is Hamas who invaded a party Oct. 7, slaughtered unarmed civilians including babies, raped young girls and paraded them around Gaza nude, etc., always hide in schools, hospitals, etc., wear civilian clothes, still have not released the hostages nor given themselves up.  Hamas and Hez are using their own people as shields. Their written doctrine is to destroy Israel. They have no one to blame but themselves.

[Nick Carter icp]

51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep, a long history of interfering in the internal affairs of Iran.

 

   Is anyone suggesting that the USA should force a regime change on Iran ?

   The Iran regime can be changed without USA interference 

[G_Money]

How soon one forgets.

 

There was peace in the region under Trump.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

How soon one forgets.

 

There was peace in the region under Trump.

I doubt the people of Syria would agree.

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I doubt the people of Syria would agree.

He never started it

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, G_Money said:

He never started it

What wars did Biden start?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, koolkarl said:

It is the other way around Ahmed.  It is Hamas who invaded a party Oct. 7, slaughtered unarmed civilians including babies, raped young girls and paraded them around Gaza nude, etc., always hide in schools, hospitals, etc., wear civilian clothes, still have not released the hostages nor given themselves up.  Hamas and Hez are using their own people as shields. Their written doctrine is to destroy Israel. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Until YOU can get mu name correct, please do not bother to respond to any of my posts.

 

It merely confirms your ignorance.

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What wars did Biden start?

Keep deflecting.  That’s all you’re good for.

Edited October 10 by G_Money

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

There was peace in the region under Trump.

As we know there was a war in Syria during Trump’s time in office.

 

 

So no there wasn’t peace in the region under Trump.

 

Forgive me for pointing out your blatantly false statement.

[G_Money]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As we know there was a war in Syria during Trump’s time in office.

 

 

So no there wasn’t peace in the region under Trump.

 

Forgive me for pointing out your blatantly false statement.

Ignorance has no limits.

 

Deflection again.

 

Stay on topic, Iran.

 

It’s hard.  But try.

[candide]

3 hours ago, G_Money said:

How soon one forgets.

 

There was peace in the region under Trump.

 

6 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Ignorance has no limits.

 

Deflection again.

 

Stay on topic, Iran.

 

It’s hard.  But try.

There was also no peace in Yemen, incl. the Houti hitting several targets in Saudi Arabia.

[G_Money]

1 minute ago, candide said:

 

There was also no peace in Yemen, incl. the Houti hitting several targets in Saudi Arabia.

Stay on topic, Iran.

 

Try 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Stay on topic, Iran.

 

Try 

Sure! Everybody knows the Houti have nothing to do with Iran! 🤣

[G_Money]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Sure! Everybody knows the Houti have nothing to do with Iran! 🤣

Another case of whataboutism.

 

Show me “Houti” in the OP’s headline.

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Ignorance has no limits.

 

Deflection again.

 

Stay on topic, Iran.

 

It’s hard.  But try.

Again, forgive me for pointing out your blatantly false statement.

 

 

[G_Money]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again, forgive me for pointing out your blatantly false statement.

 

 

Yawn, double yawn.

 

Nothing better to do with your life?

Edited October 10 by G_Money

[candide]

18 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Another case of whataboutism.

 

Show me “Houti” in the OP’s headline.

Another case of lame deflection! 😀

 

You wrote: "There was peace in the region under Trump", you did not specify Iran!

 

On top of it, the OP stresses the role of Iran's allies, and cites the Houtis as an example! So it's quite relevant re. the OP.

[G_Money]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

Another case of lame deflection! 😀

 

You wrote: "There was peace in the region under Trump", you did not specify Iran!

 

On top of it, the OP stresses the role of Iran's allies, and cites the Houtis as an example! So it's quite relevant re. the OP.

Appears you’re the one deflecting.  Read the headline.

 

It’s not in French.

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Yawn, double yawn.

 

Nothing better to do with your life?

Perhaps you should admit your error and acknowledge there was not peace in the region under Trump.

Just admit you were wrong, it won’t hurt.

 

[candide]

26 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Appears you’re the one deflecting.  Read the headline.

 

It’s not in French.

Yawn....

Edited October 10 by candide

[john donson]

is the desert not big enough for both of them ?

 

gaza, instead of drilling tunnels, why not conquer the sea and expand to the west...

[Sigmund]

It's more a regime change in America and in Bruxelles at the EU,  that seem more urgent to change, as to bring back peace and prosperity in the world.

[rickudon]

If Trump hadn't cancelled the Iran nuclear deal, the more moderate factions might have prevailed. instead, it gave carte blanche to the extremists to obtain control and restart their nuclear program, to which sanctions have little impact. The populace may suffer from the sanctions, but the country gets enough of its oil bought by Asian countries to keep up its military programs. It is not impossible they already have a working nuclear bomb. Expertise could be bought from Russia, China, North Korea or Pakistan if they paid enough.

 

Iran was (maybe surprisingly) among the first to develop drones and use them on the battlefield, doing so in the Iran/Iraq war. But volume production was stifled by a lack of parts. During the last decade, trade with China has allowed Iran to develop a substantial drone industry. It may not be cutting edge, but the volume is there and they are cheap - cheaper than SAM's to shoot them down. Also, their missile tech is getting better too. Israel and the western press are telling you that nearly all those missiles were shot down in the last attack, but that is debatable. Up to 9 hits on one airfield were filmed by people close by. Also, mainly military targets were aimed at. Those that landed elsewhere where probably intercepted short of their targets.

 

Iran doesn't want open war, Netanyahu does. Peace is achieved by negotiation, not by being the last man standing - because there are always survivors who are radicalised by the suffering they and their families have endured. To get peace, in return you have to give something up.

[Nick Carter icp]

52 minutes ago, rickudon said:

 

Iran doesn't want open war, Netanyahu does. Peace is achieved by negotiation, not by being the last man standing - because there are always survivors who are radicalised by the suffering they and their families have endured. To get peace, in return you have to give something up.

 

  Odd that Iran keeps bombing Israel if they want peace