Why do decent Americans support trump

[xylophone]

A recent post by @Mazungu was deemed unacceptable because it came from a "social media" website and according to the AN rules and regulations and was therefore closed. I for one, have no problems with that because the integrity of the AN website and posts has to be kept intact.

 

However some of the content did raise a few questions for me and I would like to explore these in my own words, rather than it being deigned "typical standard swill from a leftist website...... so the questions I have for the trump supporters are as follows: –

 

– Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon, and yes they are bona fide convictions and not from "lefties" as you tend to label them?

 

– How on earth can you support a man who helped incite the first attack on the US capital since 1812, to attempt a coup which could have possibly succeeded if it weren't for a VP who stood staunch against this attack. And before the answers take the "it was only a minor rally" route, then consider how many of the attackers have been jailed so far, found guilty by juries containing both GOP and Democrat supporters?

 

– If you are looking for a president who is basically honest (and please don't come back at me with the standard quip; all politicians lie response), because maybe they do tell the occasional untruth, but trump has been documented as having told over 30,000 lies and mistruths during and after his presidency so how do you support a man like that?

 

– He has cheated on his wives, paid hookers hush money to keep quiet and demeaned women in general, so has very low to non-existent morals.

 

– Rather than take up too many pages, this will be the last; he has denigrated an American war hero and American war veterans and mocked the disabled, so how can you support a "so-called" man like this.

 

Finally, trump is not respected by other world leaders because they have first-hand experience of speaking with him, that he is not the "sharpest knife in the drawer" and the CEOs from America's top companies have labelled him "dumb" and "he doesn't know what he's talking about"! Surely their word has to mean something in today's world??

[bangadang]

Oh great, another left rant. Why not throw Hitler into it as well?  

[Mazungu]

5 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Oh great, another left rant. Why not throw Hitler into it as well?  

Why don't you refute the arguments instead of just saying "another left rant?" I guess you find facts hard to argue against. 

[bangadang]

3 minutes ago, Mazungu said:

Why don't you refute the arguments instead of just saying "another left rant?" I guess you find facts hard to argue against. 

Because when it says, "Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon?" when everyone who has half a brain cell knows the charges were political, it doesn't warrant a rebuttal. It is just a farce and Dem word salad. Why bring up his wife? Was Harris just playing tiddlywinks with Mayor Willie? Give it a rest? The hypocrisy of it all!

[Jingthing]

Because they're not decent Americans.

 

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[bangadang]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Because they're not decent Americans.

 

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Seriously?  jeeze

[Jingthing]

Just now, bangadang said:

Seriously?  jeeze

Very much so.

[Mazungu]

4 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Because when it says, "Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon?" when everyone who has half a brain cell knows the charges were political, it doesn't warrant a rebuttal. It is just a farce and Dem word salad. Why bring up his wife? Was Harris just playing tiddlywinks with Mayor Willie? Give it a rest? The hypocrisy of it all!

You must be Russian. We don't have Kangaroo courts in the US. Trump was charged and convicted through the US judicial system. He was convicted by a jury of his peers just like every other convicted felon. If you don't like that then you must hate law and order. 

[Berkshire]

9 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Because when it says, "Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon?" when everyone who has half a brain cell knows the charges were political, it doesn't warrant a rebuttal. It is just a farce and Dem word salad. Why bring up his wife? Was Harris just playing tiddlywinks with Mayor Willie? Give it a rest? The hypocrisy of it all!

This post pretty much explains it.  Trump supporters buy into the lies.  Not just about Trump, but about his political opponents.  As for the question about "decent Americans".....I suppose anyone can fall for a scam or con. 

[xylophone]

23 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Oh great, another left rant. Why not throw Hitler into it as well?  

Well he has mentioned Hitler in his ramblings, but I left that part out so that it wouldn't upset the MAGA crowd, but it seems they are very touchy about trump and his misdemeanors and really don't want to face up to them!

 

11 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Because when it says, "Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon?" when everyone who has half a brain cell knows the charges were political, it doesn't warrant a rebuttal.

Convicted by the American judicial system and process.........nothing wrong with that, but you seem to think so..

 

11 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Why bring up his wife?

Why not, he cheated on her just as she gave birth and it would seem that she has never truly forgiven him.

[Captain Monday]

Why decent people go for Trump?
 

Years of right-wing propaganda masquerading as news and informed commentary has convinced them. That even if he is a horrible person and a criminal they should vote for him because his “policies are better for the country”. 
 

 

[Mazungu]

40 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Oh great, another left rant. Why not throw Hitler into it as well?  

Do you want to know how a Fascist Dictator acts? Just watch this clip of a wanna-be dictator saying he won an election days before all the votes were counted. 

 

 

[Berkshire]

I honestly cannot wait for this election to be over.  And after Trump loses, perhaps these "decent Americans" will start coming to their senses. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Mazungu said:

Do you want to know how a Fascist Dictator acts? Just watch this clip of a wanna-be dictator saying he won an election days before all the votes were counted. 

 

 

And ever since he was told he lost, he has become like Hitler when Germany lost WWI.. Obsessed......

We all know what happened after Hitler was voted in.........😬

[Keep Right]

Because we are decent and love our country as patriots should. We do not support the left wing socialist, globalist polices of the Democrats or support a liberal, word salad diversity hire candidate. I could go on and on about why decent Americans support Trump but I am sure you get the point. MAGA 2024

[farang51]

38 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Because when it says, "Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon?" when everyone who has half a brain cell knows the charges were political, it doesn't warrant a rebuttal.

Actually, only people with only half a brain cell knows that.

 

There is no evidence that the charges were political. None! The GOP has tried to proof that, they couldn't. On the other hand there are plenty of proof that Trump tried to politicise the justice department when he was president, and he has promised to do it again to go after his opponents. That is one of the reasons experts says he fit the definition of a fascist.

[mogandave]

43 minutes ago, Mazungu said:

Why don't you refute the arguments instead of just saying "another left rant?" I guess you find facts hard to argue against. 

Because there were no arguments. 

 

Trump is a fascist is a lie, not an argument. If you have evidence that Trump is a fascist, why not post it? 

 

Many people see Jan 6 as protest that turned into a riot. 

 

Many people see the “convictions” as law-fare. 

 

Many people do not want another four years of wide open borders and amnesty for twenty-thirty million illegal aliens just because it holds wages down and juices the economy. Their mortgage is increasing faster than their 401k. 

[Mazungu]

 

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Because there were no arguments. 

 

Trump is a fascist is a lie, not an argument. If you have evidence that Trump is a fascist, why not post it? 

 

Many people see Jan 6 as protest that turned into a riot. 

 

Many people see the “convictions” as law-fare. 

 

Many people do not want another four years of wide open borders and amnesty for twenty-thirty million illegal aliens just because it holds wages down and juices the economy. Their mortgage is increasing faster than their 401k. 

My evidence? He tried to steal a free and fair election. 

[Mazungu]

Fascist -- a person who believes in or sympathizes with Fascism. A person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

 

Fascism -- a governmental led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

[MalcolmB]

When I think of Americans I think of people who are obsessed with money and are obsessed with sex with little moral integrity and who could not care less about others getting in their way and are quite ignorant about the world outside them. 
American psycho types.
 

So it is only natural that would gravitate to somebody who is obsessed by money and sex. 
Trump is their poster boy.

 

P.Diddy is their hero.

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Actually, only people with only half a brain cell knows that.

 

There is no evidence that the charges were political. None! The GOP has tried to proof that, they couldn't. On the other hand there are plenty of proof that Trump tried to politicise the justice department when he was president, and he has promised to do it again to go after his opponents. That is one of the reasons experts says he fit the definition of a fascist.

Only people with only a tenth of a brain cell think there is no evidence that the charges were politically motivated. 

 

For the Harris supporters here, while a tenth may sound greater (bigger) than a fourth, it is actually smaller. I know it seems counterintuitive to the those with advanced degrees, so feel free to google it and post link that proves me wrong. 

[FolkGuitar]

The facts are that those who support Trump are NOT moral, decent Americans.  If they were, they would never support a convicted felon (they make excuses to say he was convicted unfairly,) a misogynist who cheated on his first wife while she was pregnant, cheated on wife number two while she was pregnant, stole from a Children's Cancer fund and now is forbidden to open any business in the entire state of New York, was taken to court for non-payment and breach of contract by hundreds of different contractors, lied about hush money to a porn star, .... hell... the list is just too long.
If you support Trump, you have no morals. It's that simple.

[farang51]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Only people with only a tenth of a brain cell think there is no evidence that the charges were politically motivated. 

If you - or anybody else - has any evidence, then why don't you give it to the GOP'ers in the Senate or the House, they would be very happy to get it.

 

Maybe there is a reason nobody has come forward with evidence.

[bkk6060]

A better question would be why do non Americans especially the British, seem so obsessed with American politics?

I bet 95% of Americans have no idea who the British Prime Minister even is, because it is not important they could careless.

[watthong]

 Back in the USA I used to do government work outsourced to a large SE Asian immigrant community in Southern California. the majority are VNmese boat people. These are hard working folks, grateful for a new lease on life after fleeing the North VN VCs.  However Little Saigon is a hot bed of Trump supporters. You don't see much MAGA redness because these folks true to their Asian root don't want to put themselves on display. However in the most violent Jan6 video clips, you often see the old South VN flag (yellow with 3 red horizontal stripes) flying on top of the "citadel." I lost a dear co worker/friend when I sent him a congratulary email on Nov6 asking whether the local folks are getting ready to party down yet? His answer, "Not so quick" along with a pic of Biden superimposed upon the background of a cemetery and a caption saying "How many dead people voted for Biden?"

My answer to OP question is DEFINE "decent". Decent mean you recognize the law as it stands and not trying to tear down the constitution every which way but loose. Decent means recognize AND respect the truth instead of promoting lies such as "the election is rigged therefore I'm going to de-rig it with "Stop the Steal" and Jan6." Decency means not attacking your country, your fellow country men/women, your constitution and your laws - only traitors or enemies from outside would commit these acts. So please don't give these "folks" ("folks" is still too polite a word to foist upon these creatures) the dignity of the label "Decent". In short, Decency is definitely not in their DNA.

 

Edited October 29 by watthong

[driver52]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

– How on earth can you support a man who helped incite the first attack on the US capital since 1812, to attempt a coup which could have possibly succeeded if it weren't for a VP who stood staunch against this attack. And before the answers take the "it was only a minor rally" route, then consider how many of the attackers have been jailed so far, found guilty by juries containing both GOP and Democrat supporters?

that was clearly an inside job ie who opened the doors?? FFS

you can't argue 'truths' on the internet anymore, the leftie loonies just come along and silence you, in the name of truth/being a fat eejit/control by big brother/money printing/alphabet people loonies/being even fatter 

[driver52]

38 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

A better question would be why do non Americans especially the British, seem so obsessed with American politics?

I bet 95% of Americans have no idea who the British Prime Minister even is, because it is not important they could careless.

maybe because the UK is the 51st state of the US and whatever happens over there comes to the UK

a good example is letting shoplifters run riot and the 'loony lefties' saying 'don't touch em bruv, just let em rob the shops' WTF??

if that's not a good example of how the west has fallen I dunno what is

[connda]

I really am amazed at how effective Leftist propaganda became since 2016 to frame a billionaire real-estate mogul and reality TV show host who had a seat at the table at venues like The View and other left-leaning and progressive TV show - and then just like that - once he threw his hat into the Presidential election ring, it started..."Russia Russia Russia, Putin's Puppet, Orange-Man-Bad, Evil Trump Monster" and has now morphed into, "Trump IS Hitler, Trump is Mussolini, Trump is Fascist, Trump's supporters are all Nazis, they all must be stopped by any means!" 

Amazing...  What I think amazes me most is how other 'decent' liberals (I still consider myself to be a Classical Liberal in the same way as guys like Jimmie Dore and other classical lefties - which now makes me a "far-right Nazi" - go figure?), anyway, how decent liberals could swallow the bait - hook line sinker boat motor - and suddenly become almost violently Anti-Trump and Anti-Trump supporters.  The rhetoric on the Left is violent. 

Yeah - I don't get it.  It makes no sense, and it is irrational.  Before the first, "You're a Fascist MAGA Trump supporter,"  nah - I just voted for Jill Stein - I was going to write-in Taylor Swift, but - Jill Stein.  Now if you must start calling Jill Stein a "Nazi" do remember she is Jewish.  Careful with that. 
Bottom line?  I don't get it.  The hyperbole. The angst. The almost violent anger. I simply don't understand it. And the implied violent undertones of the rhetoric on the Left.  I consider it to be off the scales.

"Trump is a danger to OUR Democracy."

You mean "your" Democracy where only Democrats win.
Ya'll are now red-faced, veins in your face and neck hyper-extended with rage, bugged-eyed, and screaming hatred toward Trump and conservatives at every opportunity, and screaming for the current administration to "do whatever is necessary to stop Trump and his supporters!  Because? "They are all Fascists and Nazis and Trump is Hitler!"

Anything?  Now, there's the clear and present danger to our collective US Democracy.

[driver52]

1 hour ago, Mazungu said:

You must be Russian. We don't have Kangaroo courts in the US. Trump was charged and convicted through the US judicial system. He was convicted by a jury of his peers just like every other convicted felon. If you don't like that then you must hate law and order. 

the law is there to protect the rich not the innocent

fascinating how the US has now destroyed europe in the name of the 'nasty russians' eh??

what the bloody great idea to destroy gas piplelines and ship gas over the atlantic in the most dirty polluting things on the planet

Greta and the WEF must be pissin themselves at all those dumbos still believing this 'green agenda' eh??? 

[connda]

49 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

A better question would be why do non Americans especially the British, seem so obsessed with American politics?

I bet 95% of Americans have no idea who the British Prime Minister even is, because it is not important they could careless.

Boris Blair?