Just another day crossing the road...

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[Digitalbanana]

Defies the imagination how someone can walk across a road like this, with no stop lights at the crossing, and not look out for traffic.

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Defies the imagination how someone can walk across a road like this, with no stop lights at the crossing, and not look out for traffic.

 

At least she got up at the end.  Hope she was OK.

[JBChiangRai]

She did nothing wrong.

[G_Money]

The rule of gross tonnage wins every time.

 

Especially in Thailand.

Edited yesterday at 07:50 AM by G_Money

[richard_smith237]

23 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

She did nothing wrong.

 

Legally....  

 

However, in the interest of self preservation she could have at least looked.

 

Thats not to victim blame, of course... 100% the motorcylist - legally at fault. 

 

 

However, those who walk around, not only in Thailand, but even in Western Countries such as the UK without any regard for their own safety can hold themselves personally complicit if they are hit by something because they were not paying attention. 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, G_Money said:

The rule of gross tonnage wins every time.

 

Especially in Thailand.

 

Indeed...  Sometimes its difficult to see these crossing when splitting traffic... 

 

But... when riding a motorcycle and all other vehicle have stopped - any rider with a sense of defensive riding also stops, who knows why the car traffic has stopped so its taking a huge risk to continue on past at speed... this is a perfect example of Thai Riding (and often driving)... where observation is somewhat lacking.

 

There is also the cultural facet were stopping is often the last resort for most driving and riding - thus I'd agree with those, who in other threads have suggested that all Pedestrian Crossing should be 'controlled by traffic lights'....

 

I know the example of the light controlled pedestrian crossings in Pattaya will be used and that everyone ignores the lights anyway (even police)...  But really, this is a measure of how uncivilised a location can be - the Police really should be held to greater account for doing their job.

 

 

[G_Money]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Indeed...  Sometimes its difficult to see these crossing when splitting traffic... 

 

But... when riding a motorcycle and all other vehicle have stopped - any rider with a sense of defensive riding also stops, who knows why the car traffic has stopped so its taking a huge risk to continue on past at speed... this is a perfect example of Thai Riding (and often driving)... where observation is somewhat lacking.

 

There is also the cultural facet were stopping is often the last resort for most driving and riding - thus I'd agree with those, who in other threads have suggested that all Pedestrian Crossing should be 'controlled by traffic lights'....

 

I know the example of the light controlled pedestrian crossings in Pattaya will be used and that everyone ignores the lights anyway (even police)...  But really, this is a measure of how uncivilised a location can be - the Police really should be held to greater account for doing their job.

 

 

I agree with what you said.

 

Right of way means nothing at those zebra crossings.  I view them as recommendations and consider myself fortunate if all goes according to plan.

 

Proceed with caution even if others have stopped.  
 

It appeared she proceeded without looking at the lane of the fast motorbike.

 

I’ve learned to look both ways crossing a one way street for the motorbike driver going against traffic.  TIT.

 

 

[Srikcir]

13 hours ago, G_Money said:

I’ve learned to look both ways crossing a one way street for the motorbike driver going against traffic.

I also wave my hands towards any oncoming vehicles in both directions like a "hello see me." The idea is people in cars and motor bikes may be focused looking further beyond the crosswalk or memorized by heavy or fast traffic that they don't mentally "see" the occupied cross walk.

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

I also wave my hands towards any oncoming vehicles in both directions like a "hello see me." The idea is people in cars and motor bikes may be focused looking further beyond the crosswalk or memorized by heavy or fast traffic that they don't mentally "see" the occupied cross walk.

That and being on their phones.

[OneManShow]

Takes years for many to learn what those "lines" are for, even though in "Red". 
Lack of enforcement make it way longer. 

[mdr224]

Crossing like that even more dangerous for tourists who grew up in civilized countries and arent aware that things like this can even happen

[Hermes Live]

I thought that it became a law that pedestrians had the right of way at pedestrian crossings - maybe I am wrong?

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Hermes Live said:

I thought that it became a law that pedestrians had the right of way at pedestrian crossings - maybe I am wrong?

 

In Thailand, it has always been the law that pedestrians have the right of way at crossings. Yet, it often takes the tragic death of someone deemed 'important' or an incident that stirs sufficient media and social media attention for a 'crackdown' to be declared.

 

This pattern repeats across many similar issues in Thailand. The laws themselves are typically sound, but it is the pervasive disregard for these laws and the widespread apathy in their enforcement by authorities (especially the Police) that allow such problems to persist unchecked.

 

Only when a significant figure is affected, or when public outrage reaches a peak, do we see a momentary 'crackdowns' announced as someone in a position of authorite makes their public statement...   we may then witness brief flashes of adherence to the laws in certain areas that fade just as quickly as they arise.

 

[Confuscious]

5 hours ago, OneManShow said:

Takes years for many to learn what those "lines" are for, even though in "Red". 
Lack of enforcement make it way longer. 

As long as the fines for offending the traffic rules are laughable at, nothing will change.
All the traffic fines, or at least the ones that caused bodily injures, should be 5-fold of what they are today.
And no "OR".
If there is a punishment with jail, the jail term shall be prioritized.

[BangkokReady]

On 11/4/2024 at 3:01 PM, richard_smith237 said:

However, in the interest of self preservation she could have at least looked.

 

Even that might not have saved her.  Thai motorcyclists typically ride at high speed and swerve/weave through traffic without looking, rather than stopping, when their lane becomes slow or blocks.  The guy who hit her may have been in a different lane until the last minute (although he does appear to be going straight).

[BangkokReady]

On 11/4/2024 at 2:21 PM, Digitalbanana said:

Defies the imagination how someone can walk across a road like this, with no stop lights at the crossing, and not look out for traffic.

 

Possibly a tourist.  Thais should know that crossings are generally meaningless in Thailand.

[Lucky Bones]

On 11/4/2024 at 6:20 PM, G_Money said:

The rule of gross tonnage wins every time.

 

Especially in Thailand.

Correct. Rule #1.🙃🙃

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Possibly a tourist.  Thais should know that crossings are generally meaningless in Thailand.

 

.. Yet, the most notable pedestrian crossing tragedy in recent memory was the death of a Thai doctor, which swiftly prompted a nationwide 'crackdown'. However, this heightened awareness was followed mere weeks later by the death of an elderly Thai woman, struck by a bus at a crossing.

 

It could be argued that when it comes to self-preservation, Thai citizens appear to exercise less caution than tourists, and markedly less so than Western expatriates - certainly when looking at the behavior motorcyclist this would appear true.