Trump's 'huge lie' shows 'he’s taking everyone for an idiot': analysis

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Unfortunate you will not look at factual content. Australia is also more expensive to live after Covid. IMO much to do with price gauging which the government is finally acting upon with the supermarkets. Would MAGA accuse Biden of being a Marxist if he attempted to intervene with the markets, probably Yes. If trump, No.

Has Trump said he would intervene with the markets? I don't recall him saying he would. Harris had that stupid idea of fixing prices and giving lots of people other people's money.

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When did Trump ever say he would "help" low income earners? I must have missed that speech.

The US is not a nanny socialist country. It's up to people to work hard and get educated if they want to get rich, not expect other people to give them money, like they do, unfortunately, in most western countries.

 

Yes life is hard, and that something the bludgers are going to find out in western countries that are broke because of liberal loony policies.

 

Tough guy - lol Government policies either assist the 'working class" or make life more challenging. Those that denigrate the lower classes, such as trump in his first term, deserve contempt.

 

From cutting children's disability benefits to allowing employers to pocket workers' tips, Trump tried to slash protections for the working poor in ways that have been forgotten by many.

https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-agenda-working-class

[ifmu]

22 hours ago, mokwit said:

Dude, people who can think for themselves don't take MSN seriously. Why do you keep 

right lets watch  FOX news    .. you gotta be joking 

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Has Trump said he would intervene with the markets? I don't recall him saying he would. Harris had that stupid idea of fixing prices and giving lots of people other people's money.

 

trump claims he will make everyone's life better, so how will he do that if not by making changes to economic policy (the markets)

[mdr224]

20 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Unfortunate you will not look at factual content. Australia is also more expensive to live after Covid. IMO much to do with price gauging which the government is finally acting upon with the supermarkets. Would MAGA accuse Biden of being a Marxist if he attempted to intervene with the markets, probably Yes. If trump, No.

Its not price gauging, its inflation. Kamala wasnt going to fix that, she was going to print money until half the population became homeless

[LosLobo]

27 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

...and half of America's voters believe him....

That says a lot.

Not a compliment for sure.🥴

I agree it says a lot.

Maybe that's a testimony to the gullibility of Trump supporters!

Or maybe it’s a sign of a serious lack of critical thinking.

It’s easy to buy into a narrative that aligns with your views, especially when it's fed to you with emotion and simplicity.

Trump’s rhetoric isn’t about facts; it’s about selling convenient stories that fit people’s desires, not their reality.

If half of America is buying into that without questioning, it’s not just belief—it’s a failure to critically analyze what’s being said.

Embracing easy answers over hard truths doesn’t say much about intelligence, but it sure says a lot about the power of manipulation.

[herfiehandbag]

21 hours ago, impulse said:

21 hours ago, impulse said:

Trump has inherited a “turd of an economy,” and when things “roll over,” he’ll be the one blamed for it

 

He will simply "roll it in glitter" and then claim it is all due to his inspired leadership.

[john donson]

get over it dude, he won...

[spidermike007]

While the economy may not be terrible it certainly is not good, regardless of what the studies show. There are a half dozen reasons why the stock market is pumped up as artificially high as it is, and the lack of consumer confidence tells the real story. I have a business in America as do many of my friends and we see the real truth.

 

Will Trump's policies do anything to improve the economy? We'll see, time will tell, personally I think his tariff policies are nothing but a massive tax hike on the American people and will lead not only to potential economic devastation, but much higher inflation. 

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

23 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

We need a thread here just for calling Trump names w/o the phony excuses for doing so. Much simpler, direct, and really the only point.

Quite an excellent idea, I could spend many happy hours thinking up ever more inventive ways to lambast, lampoon and generally take the piss out of him!

Edited 12 hours ago by herfiehandbag

[newbee2022]

18 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I agree it says a lot.

Maybe that's a testimony to the gullibility of Trump supporters!

Or maybe it’s a sign of a serious lack of critical thinking.

It’s easy to buy into a narrative that aligns with your views, especially when it's fed to you with emotion and simplicity.

Trump’s rhetoric isn’t about facts; it’s about selling convenient stories that fit people’s desires, not their reality.

If half of America is buying into that without questioning, it’s not just belief—it’s a failure to critically analyze what’s being said.

Embracing easy answers over hard truths doesn’t say much about intelligence, but it sure says a lot about the power of manipulation.

Well, we know Trump uses the whole range of populism to express his egoism and narcism. 

And of course it says a lot about Americans if they are not willing/able to check the truth behind Trump's words. The mainstream media plays an important role in his nasty and dirty business. Good luck with Granddad Donald.

[frank83628]

14 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Personally I find it extraordinarily weird for people and elements of the media to support trump world and it's constant lies, misinformation and outright disinformation. But you're correct many members on this forum are of the same mould from MAGA world.

What lies, misinformation and outright disinformation

[Hawaiian]

23 hours ago, simple1 said:

Donald Trump has convinced many Americans that the economy is terrible, but a new analysis shows that's just as false as his election fraud claims that fueled the Jan. 6 insurrection.

 

Trump's 'huge lie' shows 'he’s taking everyone for an idiot': analysis

No matter who was in the White House, why would they be responsible for a high unemployment rate at the height of Covid?  This was the reason for the UI handouts.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

Embracing easy answers over hard truths doesn’t say much about intelligence

As in your own case. The hard truth is that things were a lot better under Trump. All the fake news, leftist social media, gaslighting, leftist academics, DNC, corrupt political lawfare and convictions, censorship, constant barrage of lies, dire predictions, and name-calling, rewriting of history, pandering vote-buying, divisive racial and gender politics, assassination attempts, and a $1 billion campaign chest buying Beyoncé, Oprah, and Bruce Springsteen won't change that hard truth.

 

It's too obvious and easy to understand.

 

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

Embracing easy answers over hard truths doesn’t say much about intelligence, but it sure says a lot about the power of manipulation.

 

As you illustrate here frequently. Embracing leftism is about power, not intelligence, and so the need for brainwashing in schools, censorship, fake news, and posturing as superiors. Hence your nemesis Trump. And both Houses, and leftist mayors and DAs getting voted out. Enough is enough.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by BigStar

[J Branche]

Debt at new highs, excessive out of control spending, social security needs stable long term funding, Expensive Healthcare and Prescription Drugs compared to similar country, people complaining about inflation, high Rent/Homeowner costs.

 

Is the OP a BOT or just not drink enough coffee and let his Brain wakeup.

 

Trump says something but actually means another similar thing sometimes, probably what OP read, or

heard.

Edited 12 hours ago by J Branche

[J Branche]

Whatever your opinion of the new US President he is our President for next 4 years.

 

Focus on what we can contribute to improve our situation, help or benefit others, educate others without all the Drama and Theatrics just slows down progress and gets in the way of people actually doing Work.

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, J Branche said:

Whatever your opinion of the new US President he is our President for next 4 years.

 

Focus on what we can contribute to improve our situation, help or benefit others, educate others without all the Drama and Theatrics just slows down progress and gets in the way of people actually doing Work.

 

That would absolutely not be your message if Harris had won. Your side would never be out of the lawyer's offices trying everything possible to run interference.

[BigStar]

Just now, J Branche said:

all the Drama and Theatrics just slows down progress and gets in the way of people actually doing Work.

 

Yes, but life has to have meaning. Nobody wants to listen to boring old men, so they read fake news and parrot it back in rants on forums to feel important and as if they know something.

[jesimps]

23 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

We need a thread here just for calling Trump names w/o the phony excuses for doing so. Much simpler, direct, and really the only point.

When will the lefties learn that although name calling might make them feel better, it's facts like a sound economy, secure border, common sense as opposed to woke nonsense etc that wins elections. Listening to constant lefty bile on the media, hearing it from Hollywood and sports personalities doesn't endear them to the voting public. They should try sensibly analysing this Republican landslide and then maybe they'll realise this.

Edited 11 hours ago by jesimps

[BigStar]

5 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

That would absolutely not be your message if Harris had won. Your side would never be out of the lawyer's offices trying everything possible to run interference.

 

Unconstitutional laws and orders by either party should, and will be, challenged in court. Political lawfare hasn't been a Trump/Republican modus operandi and was never a big problem until Biden/Harris. Trump probably won't engage it except to root out the corruption and those responsible, as much as possible. Or so we might hope. 

[pattayasan]

7 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Unconstitutional laws and orders by either party should, and will be, challenged in court. Political lawfare hasn't been a Trump/Republican modus operandi and was never a big problem until Biden/Harris. Trump probably won't engage it except to root out the corruption and those responsible, as much as possible. Or so we might hope. 

 

What? Trump tried to get Clinton prosecuted. You guys are really living in a world of alternative facts. He never produced evidence of corruption against her. Or Biden Jr. It was always a big witch hunt. Watch Biden pardon the lot of them. Trump has declared an enemies list.

 

This article is more than 5 years old

Trump wanted to prosecute Hillary Clinton and James Comey

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/20/trump-wanted-to-prosecute-hillary-clinton-james-comey-report

Edited 11 hours ago by pattayasan

[Captain Flack]

A post again referring to something that is not a recognised medical condition but rather an urban phrase, has been removed.
 

Refer to forum rules, as It is just being used as a means to belittle or mock individuals with differing political views. Such usage is inherently derogatory and contributes to a toxic conversational environment.

[Gottfrid]

23 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Say I'm a screetchy anti Trumper  without dying I'm a screetchy anti trumper 

Yeah, that was a suitable job for the guy. He could have stayed in that one. 🤣

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, ifmu said:

right lets watch  FOX news    .. you gotta be joking 

Why the assumption that I watch Fox News?

[Purdey]

I do wish Trumpsters would post a credible source rather than sneering. I'd happily admit the OP's source is wrong. 

[LosLobo]

47 minutes ago, BigStar said:

As in your own case. The hard truth is that things were a lot better under Trump. All the fake news, leftist social media, gaslighting, leftist academics, DNC, corrupt political lawfare and convictions, censorship, constant barrage of lies, dire predictions, and name-calling, rewriting of history, pandering vote-buying, divisive racial and gender politics, assassination attempts, and a $1 billion campaign chest buying Beyoncé, Oprah, and Bruce Springsteen won't change that hard truth. It's too obvious and easy to understand.

 

As you illustrate here frequently. Embracing leftism is about power, not intelligence, and so the need for brainwashing in schools, censorship, fake news, and posturing as superiors. Hence Trump. And both Houses, and leftist mayors and DAs getting voted out. Enough is enough.

 

Seems my previous lessons in logic and reasoning didn’t quite stick—let's try this again, with your latest mixed salad:

1. Straw Man Fallacy: You’ve oversimplified leftism, reducing it to just “power” and “brainwashing,” instead of addressing the actual policy positions or ideas. That’s a classic misrepresentation, making your argument easier to defeat without engaging with the full complexity of the topic.

2. False Dilemma: You’ve set up a false choice: either embrace the left’s “manipulation” or support Trump’s “hard truths.” This leaves out the fact that there are plenty of positions in between, and politics isn’t as binary as you’re presenting it.

3. Ad Hominem: Rather than directly engaging with the facts or policies, you attack the left as being about “brainwashing” and “fake news.” This doesn’t address the actual arguments but shifts the focus to attacking your opponent's personally.

4. Appeal to Emotion: You throw in emotionally charged terms like “assassination attempts” and “lawfare” without evidence, hoping to stir up fear and outrage rather than provide logical support for your claims.

5. Circular Reasoning: You claim that Trump’s policies were obviously better, but that’s based on assuming your conclusion is true without offering any substantial evidence to back it up. It’s a closed loop of reasoning that doesn’t actually prove anything.

6. Hasty Generalization: You’ve generalized leftism as a whole based on selective instances or extreme examples, failing to account for the diversity of thought within the left and reducing complex issues to a single, biased narrative.

7. Red Herring: Bringing up celebrities like Beyoncé, Oprah, and Bruce Springsteen distracts from the actual argument. It’s an irrelevant point that serves to divert attention away from the core issues at hand.

8. Appeal to Popularity (Bandwagon): You claim that the fact leftist politicians are getting voted out proves your side is right. This assumes that popularity equals correctness, which is a logical misstep. A majority vote doesn’t necessarily mean the argument is sound or based on fact.

9. Tu Quoque Fallacy (Appeal to Hypocrisy): When you say “as in your own case,” you’re attempting to deflect by accusing me of the same thing. It’s a typical tactic to avoid dealing with the substance of the discussion and instead focus on criticizing the person making the argument. 

In short, your argument, a la Trump, leans heavily on emotional manipulation, misrepresentation, and logical fallacies to push a narrative that doesn’t engage with the real complexities of the issues.

[wombat]

23 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Thought Australia was owned by China.

if china called in all the fed debt it owns china would own america without a shot being fired

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump is quite right to be taking Americans as idiots.

 

Because they are.

 

Now they have served their purpose, they will be tossed under the bus. The gap between haves and have-nots will widen, while the propaganda mill pumps out claims of how good everything is.

 

The turkeys voted for Christmas. It's coming.

Trumps propaganda mill is 15% of the Democrat one. That's been pumping lies and covering for JB last 4 years nonstop

[proton]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:01 AM, simple1 said:

Donald Trump has convinced many Americans that the economy is terrible, but a new analysis shows that's just as false as his election fraud claims that fueled the Jan. 6 insurrection.

 

Trump's 'huge lie' shows 'he’s taking everyone for an idiot': analysis

 

So people paying 30% more for groceries now is just a myth then? Jan 6th was a demonstration, an insurrection involves weapons. Nice to see muslims voting for Trump, they are not all clueless.  

[BillH52]

Some parts of the US economy do look much better than day to day at home economic issues, ie.