Official: Trump Nominates RFK Jr. for Health Secretary

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Did they design it for the last one?

I did use the word "If" to start my post.

 

There are two competing theories:

 

Mutation of an existing virus in a Wuhan meat market via species transfer.

 

Accidental result of experimentation with viruses in a Wuhan laboratory.

 

The truth may never be known, due to CCP censorship.

 

I very much doubt it was the result of deliberate design and release. While the true death toll in China is estimated to be millions, the total lockdown of Chinese cities resulted in enormous economic damage.

 

 

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I very much doubt it was the result of deliberate design and release. While the true death toll in China is estimated to be millions, the total lockdown of Chinese cities resulted in enormous economic damage.

 

You always conflate these two issues. Gain of function research on bat coronaviruses and deliberate release are obviously not mutually inclusive. I also doubt it was intentional release but I am in no doubt it's not zoonotic. There is ZERO evidence for zoonotic transfer.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

You always conflate these two issues. Gain of function research on bat coronaviruses and deliberate release are obviously not mutually inclusive. I also doubt it was intentional release but I am in no doubt it's not zoonotic. There is ZERO evidence for zoonotic transfer.

Rabies and Ebola are both zoonotic.

 

There were all kinds of wild meats in the Wuhan market. About 38 species, kept in ideal cross infection conditions.

 

I said there were competing hypotheses re the origin of COVID. I'm keeping an open mind.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Rabies and Ebola are both zoonotic.

 

There were all kinds of wild meats in the Wuhan market. About 38 species, kept in ideal cross infection conditions.

 

I said there were competing hypotheses re the origin of COVID. I'm keeping an open mind.

I'm not talking about rabies or Ebola. I'm saying that there is zero evidence for a zoonotic transfer of a bat coronavirus, a virus that was already adapted to be highly infectious to humans, came from the wet market in Wuhan. I still don't understand why the CCP would destroy evidence in the Wuhan Institute and yet be unable to provide any evidence of it originating from zoonosis in only one particular place, that place being a Wuhan wet market.

An interesting document from EcoHealth gained under FOI seeking funding for what is obviously gain of function research.

 

"According to leaked documents made public by the investigative group DRASTIC in September 2021, the EHA requested in its proposal a total $14,209,245 over 3.5 years ($8,411,546 for phase 1 and $5,797,699 for phase 2).

The EHA proposed injecting chimeric bat coronaviruses collected by researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) into “batified” mice and humanised mice genetically altered to express the human ACE-2 receptor."

 

"Recombinant viruses will be recovered in Vero cls, or in mouse cells over-expressing. human, bat or civet ACE2 receptors to support cultivation of viruses with a weaker RBD-human ACE2 interface."

 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal

https://changingtimes.media/2024/01/19/scientists-say-ecohealth-alliances-defuse-proposal-was-a-blueprint-for-sars-cov-2/

 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

That is a very good point.

#1 if you do your job well, Trump is likely to fire you.

#2 if you disobey him, question him, or do something he does not like, he is likely to fire you.

#3 if he fires you, he will do everything in his power to make it look like it was your fault, and not his. He will trash your reputation. So, you are correct. Only low end, garbage candidates will be up for the job. And that is all he has picked to date.

Your #1 is rubbish, IMO.

[johng]

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Please get a spellchecker, or post when you are sober.

Are you some sort of lifestyle and spelling police "officer"  did you not understand anything of what I wrote even with spelling errors ?

Not surprised really that you fully supported the authoritarian Covidiocy mesures no matter how ridiculous they became.

 

[Tug]

23 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Fear mongering nonsense.

Rubbish vaccines have saved millions and millions of lives to put an anti vaxer anywhere near even within spitting distance of competent scientists that deal in facts is a disservice nay a betrayal of my people fear mongering indeed we Americans at best are facing a rough 4 years it will have worldwide consequences…..

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, johng said:

Are you some sort of lifestyle and spelling police "officer"  did you not understand anything of what I wrote even with spelling errors ?

Not surprised really that you fully supported the authoritarian Covidiocy mesures no matter how ridiculous they became.

 

I am not spelling police, it just hurts my eyes to see ignorance compounded.

 

The authoritarian Covidiocy measures in Australia resulted in that country having one of the lowest death rates from the pandemic. America had one of the highest.

 

I don't know where you sit in terms of logic, but that's pretty convincing evidence to me.

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, Tug said:

Rubbish vaccines have saved millions and millions of lives to put an anti vaxer anywhere near even within spitting distance of competent scientists that deal in facts is a disservice nay a betrayal of my people fear mongering indeed we Americans at best are facing a rough 4 years it will have worldwide consequences…..

Show anywhere that I'm an anti-vaxxer. You simply sprout the demonizing rubbish pushed by Fauci and the legacy media. Don't want to take an experimental gene therapy jab you must be an anti-vaxxer. Complete and utter BS. I have also previously provided a YT video of RFK Jnr. saying he is not an anti-vaxxer. 

[xylophone]

22 hours ago, Keep Right said:

It is unbelievable that some are complaining about Kennedy after years of mismanagement by Fauci and Levin. Kennedy will expose the lies and corruption under Biden's appointments.  

What is unbelievable is the amount of nonsense being posted by trumpies and Kennedy supporters, blaming Fauci et al for all sorts of rubbish, when in fact: –
In 2003, the Institute for Scientific Information stated that from 1983 to 2002, "Fauci was the 13th most-cited scientist among the 2.5 to 3.0 million authors in all disciplines throughout the world who published articles in scientific journals."As a government scientist under seven presidents, Fauci has been described as "a consistent spokesperson for science, a person who more than any other figure has brokered a generational peace" between the two worlds of science and politics.

 

And I notice on other posts there are the goobers who are still blaming Bill Gates for having a hand in the Covid 19 epidemic whilst not dwelling on the fact that Kennedy has for years questioned federal agencies charged with vaccine production and safety, promoted debunked claims linking vaccines to autism, and challenged the CDC’s recommended list of vaccines for children. He founded and chaired one of the nation’s most prominent anti-vaccine groups, Children’s Health Defense, a prolific and lucrative spreader of anti-vaccine misinformation online.

“One of the things that RFK jnr has been a leader in has been instilling mistrust in public health as a system and the people who do that work".

 

And as for the mRNA vaccine, well one can only hope that early trials on it as a potential cure for a cancer continue to show some success.....

An mRNA vaccine that programs the body to fight pancreatic cancer shows early promise | CNN
Brenda Goodman
Of the 16 patients who were able to complete all phases of the study, eight responded to the vaccine, which taught their immune systems how to recognize and fight off the cancer cells. None of those eight has seen their cancer return.

 

Becker's Hospital Review
News • May 11, 2023
Personalized pancreatic cancer vaccine shows promise in early trial
Mariah Taylor
Promising results for a pancreatic cancer vaccine found in a small, phase 1 study: 16 patients showed no signs of relapse after 18 months.
 

[pattayasan]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I'm not talking about rabies or Ebola. I'm saying that there is zero evidence for a zoonotic transfer of a bat coronavirus, a virus that was already adapted to be highly infectious to humans, came from the wet market in Wuhan. I still don't understand why the CCP would destroy evidence in the Wuhan Institute and yet be unable to provide any evidence of it originating from zoonosis in only one particular place, that place being a Wuhan wet market.

An interesting document from EcoHealth gained under FOI seeking funding for what is obviously gain of function research.

 

"According to leaked documents made public by the investigative group DRASTIC in September 2021, the EHA requested in its proposal a total $14,209,245 over 3.5 years ($8,411,546 for phase 1 and $5,797,699 for phase 2).

The EHA proposed injecting chimeric bat coronaviruses collected by researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) into “batified” mice and humanised mice genetically altered to express the human ACE-2 receptor."

 

"Recombinant viruses will be recovered in Vero cls, or in mouse cells over-expressing. human, bat or civet ACE2 receptors to support cultivation of viruses with a weaker RBD-human ACE2 interface."

 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal

https://changingtimes.media/2024/01/19/scientists-say-ecohealth-alliances-defuse-proposal-was-a-blueprint-for-sars-cov-2/

 

 

How not to understand a scientific paper. The genetic modification was not performed on the virus, it was performed on the mice to allow them to be used as a proxy for bats for research.

 

Furthermore, the request seems to have been made well after coronavirus emerged.

Edited 3 hours ago by pattayasan

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

How not to understand a scientific paper. The genetic modification was not performed on the virus, it was performed on the mice to allow them to be used as a proxy for bats for research.

The DEFUSE proposal includes discussion about the planned introduction of human-specific cleavage sites into bat coronaviruses.

Do you understand this?

https://changingtimes.media/2024/01/19/scientists-say-ecohealth-alliances-defuse-proposal-was-a-blueprint-for-sars-cov-2/

 

Edited 3 hours ago by dinsdale

[johng]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Did they design it for the last one?

I believe someone did ..at first I thought China but more and more "evidence" seems to point to "someone"else who out sourced their dastardly "research" to the Wuhan institution.

[johng]

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The authoritarian Covidiocy measures in Australia resulted in that country having one of the lowest death rates from the pandemic. America had one of the highest

Sweden ?.....from or with ?

America is very obese

and addicted to prescription medicine...that is something RFKjr

will hopefully try to address  MAHA.

 

Can we now ask what happened to the "good old flu" during the Covidiocy ? or is that still taboo ?

 

And yep you just confirmed that you are indeed an authoritarian

"in disguise"

sorry that my ignorance hurts your eyes...  luckily there is no mandatory authoritarian dictate that you have to read my postings to keep your job ehh !

 

As for "logic"

 I am the operator of my pocket calculator.

[LosLobo]

37 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The DEFUSE proposal includes discussion about the planned introduction of human-specific cleavage sites into bat coronaviruses.

Do you understand this?

https://changingtimes.media/2024/01/19/scientists-say-ecohealth-alliances-defuse-proposal-was-a-blueprint-for-sars-cov-2/

 

you've now pushed the same mistaken argument about the DEFUSE proposal seemingly ad nauseam, and it's time to set the record straight.

The DEFUSE Proposal Was Never Funded or Implemented: First and foremost, the DEFUSE proposal, which you continue to cite, was rejected by DARPA.

It was never funded or implemented, meaning it didn’t contribute to any research that could have led to the creation or release of SARS-CoV-2.

You keep presenting this as evidence of possible virus manipulation, but the reality is that no such manipulation occurred under this proposal.

Defuse Project Rejection by Darpa

[pattayasan]

21 minutes ago, johng said:

Sweden ?.....from or with ?

America is very obese

and addicted to prescription medicine...that is something RFKjr

will hopefully try to address  MAHA.

 

Can we now ask what happened to the "good old flu" during the Covidiocy ? or is that still taboo ?

 

And yep you just confirmed that you are indeed an authoritarian

"in disguise"

sorry that my ignorance hurts your eyes...  luckily there is no mandatory authoritarian dictate that you have to read my postings to keep your job ehh !

 

As for "logic"

 I am the operator of my pocket calculator.

 

If it was "with" there would be no excess deaths.

[radiochaser]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Rubbish vaccines have saved millions and millions of lives to put an anti vaxer anywhere near even within spitting distance of competent scientists that deal in facts is a disservice nay a betrayal of my people fear mongering indeed we Americans at best are facing a rough 4 years it will have worldwide consequences…..

 

A major peer-reviewed study has uncovered an alarming surge in excess cardiac arrest deaths among those who received Covid mRNA “vaccines.”

The bombshell study analyzed the data of an almost universally vaccinated population to identify links between Covid injections and surges in cardiac arrests.

 

 

https://slaynews.com/news/study-2-million-covid-vaxxed-finds-1236-surge-cardiac-arrest-deaths/

[Keep Right]

Alex Marlow: RFK Will Actually Follow Scientific Method of Testing and Transparency

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/16/alex-marlow-rfk-will-actually-follow-scientific-method-of-testing-and-transparency/

 

 

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

you've now pushed the same mistaken argument about the DEFUSE proposal seemingly ad nauseam, and it's time to set the record straight.

The DEFUSE Proposal Was Never Funded or Implemented: First and foremost, the DEFUSE proposal, which you continue to cite, was rejected by DARPA.

It was never funded or implemented, meaning it didn’t contribute to any research that could have led to the creation or release of SARS-CoV-2.

You keep presenting this as evidence of possible virus manipulation, but the reality is that no such manipulation occurred under this proposal.

Defuse Project Rejection by Darpa

Yes it was rejected but that doesn't take away from the fact that it was a proposal for research in Wuhan into spike proteins from bat coronaviruses that would bond to human cells and that Daszak has been directly associated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Peter Daszak. EcoHealth Alliance

[Keep Right]

I planned my own suicide after Covid vaccine left me in constant agony

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14039383/covid-vaccine-disabled-plan-suicide-brianne-dressen.html

 

Kennedy is a much needed leader that will not let big pharma dictate the lives of innocent citizens.

[pattayasan]

16 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

I planned my own suicide after Covid vaccine left me in constant agony

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14039383/covid-vaccine-disabled-plan-suicide-brianne-dressen.html

 

Kennedy is a much needed leader that will not let big pharma dictate the lives of innocent citizens.

 

According to a 2023 reviewTrusted Source, some people have reported neurological side effects after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, but these effects are generally minor and temporary.

Still, rare reports have involved serious neurological conditions

 

Reports of peripheral neuropathies do not prove that the COVID-19 vaccine is the cause

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/peripheral-neuropathy-and-covid-vaccine#potential-link

[LosLobo]

25 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yes it was rejected but that doesn't take away from the fact that it was a proposal for research in Wuhan into spike proteins from bat coronaviruses that would bond to human cells and that Daszak has been directly associated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Peter Daszak. EcoHealth Alliance

The DEFUSE proposal was rejected by DARPA and never funded, so it had no actual impact on SARS-CoV-2. While the research aimed to explore spike proteins and their potential to bind to human cells, this was part of a proposed study that didn’t go forward. The persistent use of this rejected proposal as evidence is disingenuous.
 

As for Peter Daszak's association with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, while it’s true EcoHealth Alliance collaborated on bat coronavirus research, there’s no direct evidence linking these efforts to the creation or release of COVID-19.

The most plausible theory remains zoonotic spillover, as outlined by various scientific bodies, including the WHO.

 

By focusing on an unimplemented proposal, you’re sidestepping the lack of evidence supporting the lab-leak theory and ignoring the stronger scientific consensus on zoonotic origins.

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

The most plausible theory remains zoonotic spillover, as outlined by various scientific bodies, including the WHO.

You keep saying this but provide no evidence. Surely if it was zoonotic and originated from a single wet market animals or animal meat in said market would show the presence of this virus complete with the novel spike proteins so well suited to attach to human cells. Animals were tested and no evidence of this virus was found. There is no such evidence. Why is that?

Edited 1 hour ago by dinsdale

[BarraMarra]

He looks like DJ he has either borrowed DJ'S Sunbed or stole his fake tan crème. Plus had a struggle understanding him but then I struggle understanding Yanks. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Keep Right said:

Alex Marlow: RFK Will Actually Follow Scientific Method of Testing and Transparency

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/16/alex-marlow-rfk-will-actually-follow-scientific-method-of-testing-and-transparency/

 

 

Breitbar, eh eh!

I see you are doing your 'own research'! 😄

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, johng said:

Sweden ?.....from or with ?

America is very obese

and addicted to prescription medicine...that is something RFKjr

will hopefully try to address  MAHA.

 

Can we now ask what happened to the "good old flu" during the Covidiocy ? or is that still taboo ?

 

And yep you just confirmed that you are indeed an authoritarian

"in disguise"

sorry that my ignorance hurts your eyes...  luckily there is no mandatory authoritarian dictate that you have to read my postings to keep your job ehh !

 

As for "logic"

 I am the operator of my pocket calculator.

Well, that's an interesting collection of non sequiturs.

 

Yes, America is obese. Australia is not far behind you.

 

You may be right, RFK jr. may address those issues. The main concern is whether he throws out the baby with the bathwater.

Fluoridation is one of the most successful public health measures ever, stopping it would be going back 50-60 years.

 

I'm retired, don't have a job.

 

See, you can do it if you try. Not a single error in your post.

[LosLobo]

36 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

48 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

The most plausible theory remains zoonotic spillover, as outlined by various scientific bodies, including the WHO.

You keep saying this but provide no evidence. Surely if it was zoonotic and originated from a single wet market animals or animal meat in said market would show the presence of this virus complete with the novel spike proteins so well suited to attach to human cells. Animals were tested and no evidence of this virus was found. There is no such evidence. Why is that?

 

Before we get into the facts, let's address the primary issue here which I suggest is with your logical reasoning, which centers around 'Argument from Ignorance':
 

Argument from Ignorance:
Your claim that "no animals were found with the virus" as evidence against zoonosis assumes that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence. This overlooks the complexities of incomplete testing and delayed investigations. Given the vast range of testing gaps and the market's early sanitation, it’s unreasonable to dismiss zoonosis based solely on the failure to find infected animals in one location.

Now let’s examine the other logical flaws in your argument:
 

1. Strawman Fallacy:
You misrepresent the zoonotic spillover theory by suggesting it only relies on finding infected animals in the market. Zoonosis is supported by broader evidence, like the virus’s genetic relationship to bat coronaviruses and environmental traces in the market, not just direct animal tests.

2. False Dichotomy:
You suggest that the lack of infected animals in the market rules out zoonosis, but this ignores other plausible scenarios, like infected animals being removed before testing or spillover occurring upstream in the wildlife trade.

3. Cherry-Picking:
You focus on the absence of positive animal tests while ignoring other supporting evidence, such as the virus’s genetic ties to bats and its receptor-binding adaptations that make it suited for human cells.

4. Overgeneralization:
You dismiss zoonosis based on a lack of direct evidence from one market, but spillover events are inherently complex. For example, it took years to identify intermediaries for SARS-CoV-1.

5. Begging the Question:
Your rhetorical question, “Why is that?” assumes the conclusion that zoonosis is unsupported without addressing potential gaps like incomplete sampling or market conditions.
 

Let’s address these logical flaws first, then we can delve into the facts later.

[Lacessit]

59 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You keep saying this but provide no evidence. Surely if it was zoonotic and originated from a single wet market animals or animal meat in said market would show the presence of this virus complete with the novel spike proteins so well suited to attach to human cells. Animals were tested and no evidence of this virus was found. There is no such evidence. Why is that?

You are proceeding on the assumption the virus was circulating in the meat market permanently, when it may have been a transient.

 

What time elapsed between the appearance of COVID in humans, and testing of animals?

 

Where was Patient Zero working?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/health/covid-wuhan-market-lab-leak.html

 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

 

Peter Daszak. EcoHealth Alliance

Wrong!

[G_Money]

Anyone is better qualified than this freak.

 

The poster child of Don’t transition after 50.

 

 

Edited 22 minutes ago by G_Money