Calls for a New Election Surge Amidst Labour's Challenges

[brewsterbudgen]

44 minutes ago, mokwit said:

They are clearly moving towards "rejoining the common market"

I'm a Labour supporter, but regrettably I see very little sign of this.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Indeed.  Just like this silly petition, which will rightly be ignored.  

It's only just started and nearly at 2 million already. It has 6 months to run yet

[proton]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a testament to the power of the rightwing press.

 

 

 

The media have far less influence these days than you seem to think. 95% of the American media backed Harris for President and posted endless negative stories about Trump, look how that worked out. People don't need the press to tell them Starmer is a rotter.

[brewsterbudgen]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It's only just started and nearly at 2 million already. It has 6 months to run yet

And the current government has at least 4 more years in office.

[mokwit]

6 minutes ago, proton said:

 

The media have far less influence these days than you seem to think. 95% of the American media backed Harris for President and posted endless negative stories about Trump, look how that worked out. People don't need the press to tell them Starmer is a rotter.

'Rotter is not wrong: Definitions of rotter. noun. a person who is deemed to be despicable or contemptible, but If I may assist you with British English, he is perhaps better referred to as what the Victorians called a 'Bounder' and if rumors are to believed, he is also a 'cad'. So you would say that he is a 'a cad and a bounder.'

 

bound·er

/ˈboundər/

 

noun

dated•informal

noun: bounder; plural noun: bounders

1. a dishonorable man.

   "he is nothing but a fortune-seeking bounder"

    

   cad

   /kad/

   noun

   dated•informal

   noun: cad; plural noun: cads

   1. a man who behaves dishonorably, especially toward a woman.

      "her adulterous cad of a husband"

Edited 2 hours ago by mokwit

[CallumWK]

Looks like the UK are really eager to fill a full page of the Guinness world record book.

 

Shortest stint as PM - Most elections in 1 year and not to forget, and let's not forget Brexit, which should fill a whole page on it's own, with all the negatives and false promises

 

[Enoon]

 

30 minutes ago, mokwit said:

The manifesto for this one specifically delineated that the result would be binding.

 

It was simply an Act of Parliament, the provisions of which have to be obeyed unless the Act is modified or repealed........that is the extent to which it is "binding".

 

No Act of Parliament is permanent.......that is the bedrock of the UK system.

 

Any Act may be repealed at the pleasure of the House.

 

It is simply a matter of another Act to repeal it and render the previous Act null and void.

 

The vast majority of the UK population knows **** all about the actual workings of the UK system.........you are no exception.

 

Start here:

 

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/acts/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Repealed_United_Kingdom_Acts_of_Parliament

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Enoon

[mokwit]

22 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

 

It was simply an Act of Parliament, the provisions of which have to be obeyed unless the Act is modified or repealed........that is the extent to which it is "binding".

 

No Act of Parliament is permanent.

 

Any Act may be repealed at the pleasure of the House.

 

It is simply a matter of another Act to repeal it and render the previous Act null and void.

 

Vast majority of the UK population knows **** all about the actual workings of the UK system.........you are no exception.

 

Start here:

 

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/acts/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Repealed_United_Kingdom_Acts_of_Parliament

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks, I am aware that legislation can be repealed. The point I was making was that it would be implemented if voted for, it was not a vote solely for informational purposes as many on the Left claimed, so less of the condescending manner.

Edited 2 hours ago by mokwit

[Bkk Brian]

24 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

And the current government has at least 4 more years in office.

But you said it was a silly petition, 2 million have signed so far, its not silly to express your views and dissatisfaction with the current policies is it? 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The UK has regular general elections through, every few years , the UK just has one Referendum .

 

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that one referendum and that's it? No more referendums ever on changing the electoral system, Scottish independence or rejoining the EU?

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  What makes you say that its the Right wing who want Starmer replaced ? Labour supporters could also be displeased with his performance as PM .

   People do not want a new election because of the result , its just people are displeased with Starmers policies

 

I'm sure that many Labour supporters are displeased with (some of) Starmer's policies. I'm one of them. For example, I think that increasing employer's NI contributions was a bad move.

 

However, if you look at the heatmap, which shows the number of signatures by constituencies for this petition, the majority of signatories are found in Tory voting constituencies. Correlation on its' own doesn't prove anything but it does give an indication.

 

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=700143

[transam]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Crooks?

 

Making stuff up again Transam.

 

You really should lie low on this thread........😉

 

But, just for you......

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/crook

[Jimjim1]

2 hours ago, mokwit said:

Yep, cunningly cancelled the OAP winter heating allowance and blamed it on Labour even though Labour had said previously they would take care of old people if elected. They don't come more dastardly than the Viscount Rothermeres of this world.

Bl- - dy hell what world do you live in?

are you really saying that Labour did NOT cancel the winter payment?

Wonder who you will blame it on when this bunch of thieves and thugs start taxing your pension?

[mokwit]

Just now, Jimjim1 said:

Bl- - dy hell what world do you live in?

are you really saying that Labour did NOT cancel the winter payment?

Wonder who you will blame it on when this bunch of thieves and thugs start taxing your pension?

Sarcasm. I am replying sarcastically to Chomper Higgots assertion that Labours unpopularity is due to the right wing press rather than them enacting unpopular policies.

[brewsterbudgen]

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

But you said it was a silly petition, 2 million have signed so far, its not silly to express your views and dissatisfaction with the current policies is it? 

Not at all.   Many people expressed their dissatisfaction with the Tories, as was their right.  Protest and campaign all you like, and win the next election!   However, a petition is rather silly.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What does that say about "Leavers"

You posted a link which my computer advised me NOT to open and so I didn't open the link .

   What does that say about me ?

I don't open suspected dodgy links ?

 

I didn't say anything about Leavers. I made a comment which could, rightly, be interpreted as implying that the 'Vote Leave' campaign were unprofessional, as they hadn't safeguarded their website as securely as they might have done.

 

Based on this one occurrence, I'd conclude that you'd rather not open links to websites, which your anti-virus software suggests might be suspect. Imo a wise precaution. I should consider upgrading my own.

[Jimjim1]

1 minute ago, mokwit said:

Sarcasm. I am replying sarcastically to Chomper Higgots assertion that Labours unpopularity is due to the right wing press rather than them enacting unpopular policies.

Sorry I read it the other way, probably because I am so angry at the damage Labour has done so far to everyday life and the thousands who could and will die because they cannot afford to heat their homes

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

Not at all.   Many people expressed their dissatisfaction with the Tories, as was their right.  Protest and campaign all you like, and win the next election!   However, a petition is rather silly.

You may think so, millions of others don't and Parliament will have to make an official response.

[Thingamabob]

7 hours ago, Denim said:

 

 

Of course its not going to happen but if there were an election Labour would be out on its ear double quick.

 

There are probably a lot of poor people and benefit scroungers who thought voting for labor would improve their finances.

They must be crying into their cups of tea by now.

Yes indeed. It's a shame that manifesto promises cannot be made legally binding...

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Not at all.   Many people expressed their dissatisfaction with the Tories, as was their right.  Protest and campaign all you like, and win the next election!   However, a petition is rather silly.

 

I disagree.

 

Starmer stated frequently that Labour had plans ready to go from day 1. The only Plan that is currently clear,is that they are uniting the Country against them. The CBI are about to give them a pasting today.

 

Give it 6 months for the effects of the budget to work through the system and it is going to be carnage.

 

It would be a good idea, to take notice of the dissatisfaction being shown in the petition and start getting their house in order.

 

[mokwit]

9 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Yes indeed. It's a shame that manifesto promises cannot be made legally binding...

It's the lying by omission that really grates - and will for the unemployed who were expecting a soft ride - latest announcement is it's back to work for them and if they are overweight mandatory injections (seems a precedent was set with Covid - who knew?)

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nearly one million people who don’t understand Parliament doesn’t call elections.

 

That’s the PM’s job.

 

That is "the people" for you.

 

Heavily represented on this thread.

 

They are nothing but ignorance and bluster.......people of "The Mail".

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

 

27 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You may think so, millions of others don't and Parliament will have to make an official response.

 

And I'm sure the huge Labour majority in parliament will respond accordingly!

[brewsterbudgen]

27 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

I disagree.

 

Starmer stated frequently that Labour had plans ready to go from day 1. The only Plan that is currently clear,is that they are uniting the Country against them. The CBI are about to give them a pasting today.

 

Give it 6 months for the effects of the budget to work through the system and it is going to be carnage.

 

It would be a good idea, to take notice of the dissatisfaction being shown in the petition and start getting their house in order.

 

 

If their policies prove to be carnage they will be voted out at the next election.  That's how it works.  However, the short-term pain being felt by some now will hopefully be in the dim & distant past, if they successfully turn the economy around.  I seem to remember Thatcher was hugely unpopular in her first few years (rightly so) but she managed to win two more terms.  Hopefully, Starmer won't need a Falklands war though...

Edited 1 hour ago by brewsterbudgen

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

 

And I'm sure the huge Labour majority in parliament will respond accordingly!

They have no choice. Oh did you know that Scottish Labour have promised to go against the national party and reintroduce the universal winter fuel payment for pensioners?

[proton]

I just saw the bounder stoped giving the heating allowance to pensioners who paid into the system all their lives, but so called 'traveler's' aka gypsies STILL get the money, few of them ever pay anything into the system. The man is a cad.

[The Cyclist]

19 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

However, the short-term pain being felt by some now will hopefully be in the dim & distant past,

 

Hope is not a plan

 

19 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

if they successfully turn the economy around.

 

How are they going do that after delivering a budget that is the anti-thesis of growth.

 

20 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I seem to remember Thatcher was hugely unpopular in her first few years (rightly so) but she managed to win two more terms. 

 

See her comments on Socialists running out of other peoples money.

 

The anti- growth budget is going to

 

Push up unemployment

 

Push up inflation

 

Push up borrowing costs

 

Push up everything, apart from growth.

 

I hope starmer or CV Reeves has the IMF on speed dial.

 

If they do not change direction pretty soon, that is where the UK is heading.

[James105]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

It's the lying by omission that really grates - and will for the unemployed who were expecting a soft ride - latest announcement is it's back to work for them and if they are overweight mandatory injections (seems a precedent was set with Covid - who knew?)

 

To be fair if they are overweight and unemployed I would turn off their electric from the grid and hook them up to an energy generating treadmill to at least contribute their own energy to "net zero" as well as losing some weight.   If only BlackRock made energy producing treadmills then we could have seen this (in my humble opinion) quite ingenious policy, but they are more likely to have their fat fingers in Big Pharma.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, proton said:

 

The media have far less influence these days than you seem to think. 95% of the American media backed Harris for President and posted endless negative stories about Trump, look how that worked out. People don't need the press to tell them Starmer is a rotter.

Can you ok ease provide the basis of you 95%