Help needed with one question about UK frozen state pension.

[Keith5588]

17 minutes ago, Goodison said:

@Keith5588 I know which YTer your talking about. IMO if your going to go the Philippines for 6 months to reset your state pension you need more than what somebody at DWP told you on the phone. Mike Lister said he had to get his MP involved to put pressure on the DWP to acknowledge he was habitually resident in the UK and it would be easier in the UK as you have an MP and need to be habitually resident to also get back your no charge at point of use access to the NHS. 

Thank you @Goodison I totally agree with you in that concerning something like this you would need it in writing from the DWP.  I had already thought the same as you that a phone conversation is not good enough especially as many people seem to be confused. Also if you paused the YTer video at the 3 places to read the messages I really did not understand the second one.

I also agree with you that the same applies concerning the NHS, it is being regarded as permanent resident that matters, nothing to do with a period of time etc. 

[Keith5588]

6 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

My pension has remained the same as 2019, it has neither been uprated or reverted back to the pre 2016 rate.

Thank you @chiang mai. You have confirmed that the UK state pension can indeed be increased permanently to the current level. This is so confusing.

I will be in the UK early next year when I intend to start my UK state pension at age 72. Yes I have intensionally deferred. Luckily at the moment I feel very healthy and my plan is to live to 102, so another 30 years 🙂 

While in the UK I will myself contact DWP or the International Pension Centre and try to have the situation clarified in writing. 

Thanks again

[treetops]

6 hours ago, jori123 said:

as usual, a load of rubbish.  Comment please where you read that "agreement" lol

 

What are you on about?

 

The agreement is a matter of record, made into law years ago.

 

I was responding to oxo1947 who asked if anyone knew the reason(s) for this being in place.  I mentioned I didn't know the accuracy of this potential reason, but given that the purpose of these agreements is as below, it seems a valid reason, but again I don't know this, just read it somewhere in the past.

 

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The main purpose of such reciprocal agreements is to protect the social security position of workers moving between the two countries during their working lives. They prevent employees, their employers and the self-employed from having to pay social security contributions to both the home state and the state of employment at the same time and ensure that such workers' rights to certain benefits are maintained.

Source Hansard

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2002-05-16/debates/ca3d00e4-fa43-4893-9c6a-c72ed71a4ea7/InternationalSocialSecurityAgreements

 

[jori123]

23 minutes ago, treetops said:

 

What are you on about?

 

The agreement is a matter of record, made into law years ago.

 

I was responding to oxo1947 who asked if anyone knew the reason(s) for this being in place.  I mentioned I didn't know the accuracy of this potential reason, but given that the purpose of these agreements is as below, it seems a valid reason, but again I don't know this, just read it somewhere in the past.

 

Source Hansard

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2002-05-16/debates/ca3d00e4-fa43-4893-9c6a-c72ed71a4ea7/InternationalSocialSecurityAgreements

 

 

 

"Can't vouch for it being true, but I read that the agreement with the Philippines was to keep the flow of healthcare staff from there to the UK sweet as the UK system would collapse without them"

 

     Yeah right !I think not ,the fact it was made 80years ago had nothing to do of keeping Filipino nurses "sweet" You read it nowhere.

[treetops]

13 minutes ago, jori123 said:

"Can't vouch for it being true, but I read that the agreement with the Philippines was to keep the flow of healthcare staff from there to the UK sweet as the UK system would collapse without them"

 

     Yeah right !I think not ,the fact it was made 80years ago had nothing to do of keeping Filipino nurses "sweet" You read it nowhere.

 

Do you just make all this up?  (rhetorical question).

 

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The social security reciprocal agreement between the UK and the Philippines was signed on 27 February 1985, but the agreement did not come into force until 1 December 1989.

Source Hansard (again)

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2003-10-22/debates/951629a8-94de-4831-b7d5-da341092ec67/StatePensionArrangementsWithThePhilippines

 

Filipino nurses have been coming here for much longer.

Source:  https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/25/exhibition-celebrates-untold-stories-of-filipino-nurses-in-nhs

 

Again, I'm not saying it's a fact but it's a theory that makes some sense when you look at the data rather then read your odd musings.

[jori123]

5 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Of course your pension is uprated annually, because you have not told them you have returned permanently to Thailand. That is fraud!

Have a  smell of an "official letter" coming up lol

Q

If a OAP lives permanently in frozen country and receives unfrozen pension   is that fraud?
Copilot
If an OAP (Old Age Pensioner) resides permanently in a frozen country and receives an unfrozen pension, it is not inherently fraudulent. Let me explain:     DWP will not answer, but A1 will

"Has anybody ever been sanctioned/punished for receiving OAP in frozen countries?
Copilot
As of my last knowledge update, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) in the UK has not prosecuted nor sanctioned individuals for receiving an unfrozen Old Age Pension (OAP). However, there have been instances where the DWP identified underpayments and took corrective action.

Here’s some context:

State Pension Underpayments Investigation:
In 2020, the DWP became aware of married, widowed, and over-80 individuals who had not received their State Pension increases as required by law.

 

    25 pence extra when hitting 80
Not only but also  OAP is not sanctionable/punishable and a disqualifying benefit    untouchable 

Edited 1 hour ago by jori123

[jori123]

4 minutes ago, treetops said:

 

Do you just make all this up?  (rhetorical question).

 

Source Hansard (again)

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2003-10-22/debates/951629a8-94de-4831-b7d5-da341092ec67/StatePensionArrangementsWithThePhilippines

 

Filipino nurses have been coming here for much longer.

Source:  https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/25/exhibition-celebrates-untold-stories-of-filipino-nurses-in-nhs

 

Again, I'm not saying it's a fact but it's a theory that makes some sense when you look at the data rather then read your odd musings.

Not musings old chap, impossible to comprehend your set piece bunkum