It's good to see the pendulum swing back from the Far-Left toward the center again

[connda]

The women on ABC's The View are again forced by their media networks legal team and producers to read "Legal Notices."  The pendulum of discourse has been swinging to the far-Left since 2016.  The new rules of discourse were that the Left could slander, libel, and defame anyone they wish to as they WERE the MSM and therefore they WERE "the only trusted sources of information and news and the purveyors of 'the truth'."  If they said "Trump is Hilter," then by golly, it was the truth that Trump is Hitler.  If you attempted to make a case that Trump isn't Hitler, then the Left's "fact checkers" would call your argument "Disinformation" and you'd be censored.

Well the writing is on the wall - this paradigm is going to change - "biggly" as President Trump would say.  The MSM is now very cognizant that the once "open season" on their political enemies and their favorite social issues is coming to an end beginning with lawsuits addressing their own slander, libel, defamation, and disinformation.  Actions will again have consequences - legal consequences.  Therefore although it's business as usual for the typical viciousness of Progressive talking-heads, their own legal teams are now protecting their company's business (Walt Disney Inc) interests and their stockholders from legal actions.

A week ago or so it first was The View's Sunny Hostin force to read a "legal notice" after her claim that Matt Gaetz engaged in Child Sex Trafficking over state lines. 

Now last Friday the ABC legal team forced the host of The View to read (count them) four separate legal notices. 

The days of the Progressive Left playing fast-and-loose with slander, libel, and defamation framed as "the truth" are over.  And it's the main-stream media's own legal teams and producers who are putting their foot down.  The Progressive pendulum has reached its far-left apex and is now heading back toward the rational center.  That's a good thing for society as a whole.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/hosts-of-the-view-forced-to-read-four-legal-notes-in-one-episode/ar-AA1uFIPQ

[mdr224]

For the USA at least. Europe is still lagging but will change when the wars end

[connda]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:03 AM, mdr224 said:

For the USA at least. Europe is still lagging but will change when the wars end

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Europe and the UK are slipping into full-fledged totalitarianism in a way reminiscent of Orwell's 1984. People are now being throw into prisons for "Wrongthink," and "Newspeak" is the only officially condoned language.

Given Trump's win and a move back to embracing US Constitutional protections, thankfully the US is going to be swinging the other direction, at least for the time being.

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:12 AM, connda said:

People are now being throw into prisons for "Wrongthink,"

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   Who has been jailed for thinking something ?

Where were they jailed for thinking something ?

[BritManToo]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:39 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Who has been jailed for thinking something ?

Where were they jailed for thinking something ?

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I'd like to tell you, but then I'd be saying it, which is a worse offence than thinking it.

[BritManToo]

  On 11/26/2024 at 3:53 AM, connda said:

If you attempted to make a case that Trump isn't Hitler, then the Left's "fact checkers" would call your argument "Disinformation" and you'd be censored.

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Even worse if I suggested COVID vaccine didn't work, masks didn't work, and lockins at home didn't work. Not to mention climate change, sea level rise or carbon dioxide.

 

I'm not suggesting that of course, because I fear the reaction.

[Patong2021]

There has not been any shift in the pendulum. what we see are manifestations of anger and frustration. It is seen in democracies all over the world.

The UK did not go right wing when it gave Boris a massive majority in 2019 any more than the UK having gone left wing woke when it gave Labour a majority in 2024. Voters were looking for stability,integrity and good government.  If the voters next turn to another party, it will be because of disgust with labour and not an embrace of another political  manifesto.

 

The electorate of the USA did not suddenly embrace right wing extremism with their selection of Donald. Trump. A large core section of voters has always occupied the conservative right wing spectrum. They were never nice people. It has elected  politicians like Spiro Agnew and Nixon. There has always been a core group in the Democrat party who embraced idiotic impractical and irresponsible political positions. In between were centrist Americans who wanted someone to listen and who wanted hope. They thought Eisenhower would bring security and peace, when in effect he left Kennedy the nightmare of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and the foundations of a war in Vietnam.   The USA went to the dishonest Kennedy because he delivered the fantasy of Camelot. They went to Reagan, the man who plunged the USA into debt, supported brutal despots and who transacted with drug cartels, because he offered hope and a return to  the imagined glory days of the USA. And on an on it goes. 

 

The Democrats lost the  2024 presidential election because they lost their way and didn't listen to the people. The voters wanted simple solutions and action on longstanding problems. Trump's election platform answered their demands. The voters will turn on Trump just as they have done on most US presidents. Had Roosevelt not die in office, they would have turned on him too.

[stevenl]

LOL, there is no far left in the US and the MAGA cult is way to the right of center.

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 11/26/2024 at 5:25 AM, stevenl said:

LOL, there is no far left in the US and the MAGA cult is way to the right of center.

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   Yes, there did used to be Middle , Left wing and Right wing .

These days Left wing is considered to be middle and Right wing is considered to be Nazis .

   Left wing is now middle ground 

[blaze master]

  On 11/26/2024 at 5:25 AM, stevenl said:

LOL, there is no far left in the US and the MAGA cult is way to the right of center.

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Blueanon will tend to disagree with you. 

[Yellowtail]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:44 AM, Patong2021 said:

There has not been any shift in the pendulum. what we see are manifestations of anger and frustration. It is seen in democracies all over the world.

The UK did not go right wing when it gave Boris a massive majority in 2019 any more than the UK having gone left wing woke when it gave Labour a majority in 2024. Voters were looking for stability,integrity and good government.  If the voters next turn to another party, it will be because of disgust with labour and not an embrace of another political  manifesto.

 

The electorate of the USA did not suddenly embrace right wing extremism with their selection of Donald. Trump. A large core section of voters has always occupied the conservative right wing spectrum. They were never nice people. It has elected  politicians like Spiro Agnew and Nixon. There has always been a core group in the Democrat party who embraced idiotic impractical and irresponsible political positions. In between were centrist Americans who wanted someone to listen and who wanted hope. They thought Eisenhower would bring security and peace, when in effect he left Kennedy the nightmare of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and the foundations of a war in Vietnam.   The USA went to the dishonest Kennedy because he delivered the fantasy of Camelot. They went to Reagan, the man who plunged the USA into debt, supported brutal despots and who transacted with drug cartels, because he offered hope and a return to  the imagined glory days of the USA. And on an on it goes. 

 

The Democrats lost the  2024 presidential election because they lost their way and didn't listen to the people. The voters wanted simple solutions and action on longstanding problems. Trump's election platform answered their demands. The voters will turn on Trump just as they have done on most US presidents. Had Roosevelt not die in office, they would have turned on him too.

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The only change in the US is that the left is no longer able to control the dialog. 

 

Most everyone knows they are liars, and they (hopefully) will never be trusted again. 

 

Most people in the US know that virtually everything the legacy media said about Trump was either grossly exaggerated, or an out and out lie. 

 

Most people in the US know that all the charges brought against Trump were made up. 

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:44 AM, Patong2021 said:

The UK did not go right wing when it gave Boris a massive majority in 2019 any more than the UK having gone left wing woke when it gave Labour a majority in 2024. Voters were looking for stability,integrity and good government. 

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Lucky Brits, these days the French have no idea where they are .

[baansgr]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:40 AM, BritManToo said:

I'd like to tell you, but then I'd be saying it, which is a worse offence than thinking it.

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Full list can be found on Liverpool police website including total amount of years sentanced

[Thingamabob]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:44 AM, Patong2021 said:

There has not been any shift in the pendulum. what we see are manifestations of anger and frustration. It is seen in democracies all over the world.

The UK did not go right wing when it gave Boris a massive majority in 2019 any more than the UK having gone left wing woke when it gave Labour a majority in 2024. Voters were looking for stability,integrity and good government.  If the voters next turn to another party, it will be because of disgust with labour and not an embrace of another political  manifesto.

 

The electorate of the USA did not suddenly embrace right wing extremism with their selection of Donald. Trump. A large core section of voters has always occupied the conservative right wing spectrum. They were never nice people. It has elected  politicians like Spiro Agnew and Nixon. There has always been a core group in the Democrat party who embraced idiotic impractical and irresponsible political positions. In between were centrist Americans who wanted someone to listen and who wanted hope. They thought Eisenhower would bring security and peace, when in effect he left Kennedy the nightmare of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and the foundations of a war in Vietnam.   The USA went to the dishonest Kennedy because he delivered the fantasy of Camelot. They went to Reagan, the man who plunged the USA into debt, supported brutal despots and who transacted with drug cartels, because he offered hope and a return to  the imagined glory days of the USA. And on an on it goes. 

 

The Democrats lost the  2024 presidential election because they lost their way and didn't listen to the people. The voters wanted simple solutions and action on longstanding problems. Trump's election platform answered their demands. The voters will turn on Trump just as they have done on most US presidents. Had Roosevelt not die in office, they would have turned on him too.

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Well said. I fear that the UK voters who were seeking stability, integrity and good government when voting for Starmer/Labour may already be suffering buyers' remorse.

[Red Forever]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:39 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Who has been jailed for thinking something ?

Where were they jailed for thinking something ?

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I think she's alluding to the woman in UK who was rightly jailed for inciting low IQ, far right thugs to set light to accomodation which housed terrified humans.

As for being jailed for thinking something: it's just the usual far right scaremongering drivel.

[Hanaguma]

The media reaction to the new reality in the US is hilarious. A panel on CNN went apesh!t when someone dared to say that Twitter/X is now finally  a balanced place to have discussions. A hue and cry ensued, but ironically the data came from CNN itself. Twitter users identify as 48% Democrat, 47% Republican, 5% other.  Can'T get much more balanced than that. Yet the left is so used to controlling the public narrative that any challenge is seen as tyranny.

[newbee2022]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:12 AM, connda said:

Europe and the UK are slipping into full-fledged totalitarianism in a way reminiscent of Orwell's 1984. People are now being throw into prisons for "Wrongthink," and "Newspeak" is the only officially condoned language.

Given Trump's win and a move back to embracing US Constitutional protections, thankfully the US is going to be swinging the other direction, at least for the time being.

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Typical speech of a gaslighted and brainwashed simple redneck

[kevozman1]

In the West Modern Liberalism is still the ideology being pushed. To me every Western country is still very liberal but a change is coming. For most people it will be a rude awakening and it will be glorious.

[Wrwest]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:44 AM, Patong2021 said:

There has not been any shift in the pendulum. what we see are manifestations of anger and frustration. It is seen in democracies all over the world.

The UK did not go right wing when it gave Boris a massive majority in 2019 any more than the UK having gone left wing woke when it gave Labour a majority in 2024. Voters were looking for stability,integrity and good government.  If the voters next turn to another party, it will be because of disgust with labour and not an embrace of another political  manifesto.

 

The electorate of the USA did not suddenly embrace right wing extremism with their selection of Donald. Trump. A large core section of voters has always occupied the conservative right wing spectrum. They were never nice people. It has elected  politicians like Spiro Agnew and Nixon. There has always been a core group in the Democrat party who embraced idiotic impractical and irresponsible political positions. In between were centrist Americans who wanted someone to listen and who wanted hope. They thought Eisenhower would bring security and peace, when in effect he left Kennedy the nightmare of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and the foundations of a war in Vietnam.   The USA went to the dishonest Kennedy because he delivered the fantasy of Camelot. They went to Reagan, the man who plunged the USA into debt, supported brutal despots and who transacted with drug cartels, because he offered hope and a return to  the imagined glory days of the USA. And on an on it goes. 

 

The Democrats lost the  2024 presidential election because they lost their way and didn't listen to the people. The voters wanted simple solutions and action on longstanding problems. Trump's election platform answered their demands. The voters will turn on Trump just as they have done on most US presidents. Had Roosevelt not die in office, they would have turned on him too.

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Agreed. And thus is the place to which both major political parties have brought us through their policies, actions/inactions. I thought we might squeak by the knock down/drag out fight with the hope that the American majority would reject Trump and his Project 2025 ilk, putting overwhelming responsibility on the Democrats to “put up or shut up”. I was fully appreciative of the justified frustration/anger within the working middle class as a result of the economic squeeze over the past decades (afterall, I could not have a sustainable retirement in the USA and thus am an economic refugee in a lower cost country). OK, enough voters have declared they were not willing to take a further chance that the Democrats might follow the reasoning of Bernie Sanders and move forcefully to address the very real issues of the working middle class. We should not miss the additional message … that same voting majority has rejected the traditional Republicans also. That is why they followed Trump who has declared that, indeed the American federal government system is in need of drastic change. While some of us vehemently oppose Trump, we agree that drastic changes are needed … we find no evidence that Trump and his Project 2025 ilk will make progress forward in the interest of the working middle class. I expect any progress in this direction to stand out as an aberration in the next four years. So have at it fellow Americans … I am estranged from you as I think your choice will spell a major disaster. I feel certain that I will not be able to support nor defend most of what is about to take place. And Republicans? Congratulations, ALL responsibility is now yours … you allowed/supported him as your party’s leader again, you now have the Presidency, majorities in the House of Representatives, the Senate and thanks the Sen. McConnell (R-KY) the additional majority control of the Supreme Court of the United States.

[connda]

  On 11/26/2024 at 5:25 AM, stevenl said:

LOL, there is no far left in the US and the MAGA cult is way to the right of center.

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          You                                                                             Me

 

 

 

[connda]

  On 11/27/2024 at 1:17 AM, newbee2022 said:

Typical speech of a gaslighted and brainwashed simple redneck

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Typical progressive falling back on to their only defense to protect their fragile psyches: name-calling.

Me a "red-neck."  In reality.  Yeah - I spent 1/3 of my life working blue collar jobs outside.  "Red-neck?" Physically, yeah.  It's called the sun.  Interesting though that back in the 60s and 70s at least half of those who worked outside as blue collar workers were Liberal Democrats - myself included.  I even was a member of the International Woodworkers of America (IWA).  Unions are liberal creations to protect worker rights.

So back to the graphic.  This is the reality of the shift in woke, progressive culture over time.

Name-calling Left (you)                                                   Old school Liberals (me)               👉 MAGA

 

 

 

[newbee2022]

  On 11/27/2024 at 3:40 AM, connda said:

Typical progressive falling back on to their only defense to protect their fragile psyches: name-calling.

Me a "red-neck."  In reality.  Yeah - I spent 1/3 of my life working blue collar jobs outside.  "Red-neck?" Physically, yeah.  It's called the sun.  Interesting though that back in the 60s and 70s at least half of those who worked outside as blue collar workers were Liberal Democrats - myself included.  I even was a member of the International Woodworkers of America (IWA).  Unions are liberal creations to protect worker rights.

So back to the graphic.  This is the reality of the shift in woke, progressive culture over time.

Name-calling Left (you)                                                   Old school Liberals (me)               👉 MAGA

 

 

 

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Amazing short way on your graphic from your point to the right. Meaning you like really to follow a convict with all his erratic ideas? And since we have no evidence about his health I suspect him to be sick, very sick, indeed.

I admit you as a worker don't have the ability to overview world wide politics. But maybe in Thailand it's enough to see up to the top of the next palm tree. No offense.

[CHdiver]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:39 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Who has been jailed for thinking something ?

Where were they jailed for thinking something ?

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In Germany, if you call the Vice Chancellor and Federal Minister for Economic Affairs (Robert Habeck) stupid (Dummkopf) on social media, you will have police visit you and turn your home upside down. 

 

You are not jailed, but you are silenced very fast. Green fascism in its purest form.

[rudi49jr]

Calling the Democrats far-left and Trump/MAGA ‘center’ clearly shows how much (or rather, how little) the OP knows about politics and life in general. Trump is not center, Tulsi Gabbard is not center, Scott Bessent is not center,  Pete Hegseth is not center, Pam Bondi is not center, Kristi Noem is not center. The list goes on. Trump wanted Matt Gaetz for AG, for crying out loud. How is that ‘center’?
Hopefully Trump will make a huge mess of things, and he’s probably going to wreck the American economy anyway, with his tariffs and deporting 10-20 million ‘illegal aliens’. And then in 2026 (if there are still free and fair elections) we will see what the voters have to say. Until then, we’re just going to have to ride out this sh!tstorm.  

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 11/27/2024 at 4:31 AM, CHdiver said:

In Germany, if you call the Vice Chancellor and Federal Minister for Economic Affairs (Robert Habeck) stupid (Dummkopf) on social media, you will have police visit you and turn your home upside down. 

 

You are not jailed, but you are silenced very fast. Green fascism in its purest form.

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   That isn't "thinking" something though, is it .

That is writing something which is different to thinking something 

[connda]

  On 11/27/2024 at 4:16 AM, newbee2022 said:

Amazing short way on your graphic from your point to the right. Meaning you like really to follow a convict with all his erratic ideas? And since we have no evidence about his health I suspect him to be sick, very sick, indeed.

I admit you as a worker don't have the ability to overview world wide politics. But maybe in Thailand it's enough to see up to the top of the next palm tree. No offense.

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Congratulations!  🏆  You made my Ignore List! 

[Luuk Chaai]

  On 11/26/2024 at 4:42 AM, BritManToo said:

Even worse if I suggested COVID vaccine didn't work, masks didn't work, and lockins at home didn't work. Not to mention climate change, sea level rise or carbon dioxide.

 

I'm not suggesting that of course, because I fear the reaction.

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no need to suggest ..  we all know it's true

[Yellowtail]

  On 11/27/2024 at 7:03 AM, rudi49jr said:

Calling the Democrats far-left and Trump/MAGA ‘center’ clearly shows how much (or rather, how little) the OP knows about politics and life in general. Trump is not center, Tulsi Gabbard is not center, Scott Bessent is not center,  Pete Hegseth is not center, Pam Bondi is not center, Kristi Noem is not center. The list goes on. Trump wanted Matt Gaetz for AG, for crying out loud. How is that ‘center’?
Hopefully Trump will make a huge mess of things, and he’s probably going to wreck the American economy anyway, with his tariffs and deporting 10-20 million ‘illegal aliens’. And then in 2026 (if there are still free and fair elections) we will see what the voters have to say. Until then, we’re just going to have to ride out this sh!tstorm.  

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The Democrats are apparently not far left, or Harris would have been elected. 

 

Which of Trump's policies are right-wing? 

[brewsterbudgen]

"The far Left"?  If the "ladies" on the View are "far left", what does that make Jeremy Corbyn?

[Yellowtail]

  On 11/28/2024 at 6:56 AM, brewsterbudgen said:

"The far Left"?  If the "ladies" on the View are "far left", what does that make Jeremy Corbyn?

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I give up, what?