Tulsi Gabbard (Trump's Intelligence Cabinet Pick) a Threat to National Security

[Presnock]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Isn't her agency one of those on Musk's chopping block?

yes and he being a foreign national and also a "crony' (IMHO) of Putin and Trump, could really care very little about US intelligence and how it is collected.  As mentioned above, you can bet the other 4 eyes will be double checking whatever intel they might consider passing on to the US so they can protect their sources.  

[Captain Flack]

An off topic flame post has been removed, discuss the topic and stop just attacking other posters.

[wwest5829]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I remember long ago when republicans cared a lot about national security.

Many still do. We'll need to count on them to stop Gabbard.

What the majority of Americans wanted in voting for Trump and his Project 2025 ilk. I am just rolling over playing dead. Waste of time fretting … May they get everything they supported by voting for him.

[Thingamabob]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's like he went out of his way to pick the worst most damaging possible choice.

The traditional U.S. intelligence partners (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom) will not be able to trust the U.S. anymore if she is in charge of intelligence. They would be completly justified in cutting the U.S. out of the traditional group. That is why her confirmation is a threat to national security (among other things such as her being a Kremlin propaganda repeater). 

There are other very bad picks remaining now that Gaetz is out, of course RFK Jr. and nominated defence secretary Fox News guy.

But I think the confirmation of Gabbard would be the most consequentially dangerous one of all the bad picks.

 

Can Russia’s ‘girlfriend’ Tulsi Gabbard keep US secrets? - CSMonitor.com

Not at all sure that the analysts on Monitor can be trusted, and there are enough checks and balances within the US system to keep a tight grip on security in terms of both intelligence and policy. No worries.

[Hanaguma]

As with most things, whatever the left says, they need only hold up a mirror to see who is actually doing it. Here we have a strong, intelligent Woman of Color who is being defamed by the Democrats. Obvious misogyny and racism at work. 

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Presnock said:

yes and he being a foreign national and also a "crony' (IMHO) of Putin and Trump, could really care very little about US intelligence and how it is collected.  As mentioned above, you can bet the other 4 eyes will be double checking whatever intel they might consider passing on to the US so they can protect their sources.  

Elon Musk happens to be a naturalized U.S. citizen.  And who are you a crony of, Xi Jinping ?

[flexomike]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's like he went out of his way to pick the worst most damaging possible choice.

The traditional U.S. intelligence partners (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom) will not be able to trust the U.S. anymore if she is in charge of intelligence. They would be completly justified in cutting the U.S. out of the traditional group. That is why her confirmation is a threat to national security (among other things such as her being a Kremlin propaganda repeater). 

There are other very bad picks remaining now that Gaetz is out, of course RFK Jr. and nominated defence secretary Fox News guy.

But I think the confirmation of Gabbard would be the most consequentially dangerous one of all the bad picks.

 

Can Russia’s ‘girlfriend’ Tulsi Gabbard keep US secrets? - CSMonitor.com

on your way to 130,000 posts

[blaze master]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

As with most things, whatever the left says, they need only hold up a mirror to see who is actually doing it. Here we have a strong, intelligent Woman of Color who is being defamed by the Democrats. Obvious misogyny and racism at work. 

 

And up until a short while ago she was also a Democrat.

[Presnock]

3 hours ago, Presnock said:

yes and he being a foreign national and also a "crony' (IMHO) of Putin and Trump, could really care very little about US intelligence and how it is collected.  As mentioned above, you can bet the other 4 eyes will be double checking whatever intel they might consider passing on to the US so they can protect their sources.  

guess I should have said a foreign_"born" naturalized citizen...sorry

[Captain Flack]

Flame post and replies removed.

 

It is not by role to censor opinions, but just making ranting personal attacks really is not adding anything constructive and will be removed as per forum rules.

 

So if you have an opinion on the topic then post and discuss it, not other posters.

[Hawaiian]

38 minutes ago, Presnock said:

guess I should have said a foreign_"born" naturalized citizen...sorry

No problem.  By the way, there have been a number of foreign born, naturalized citizens that have had distinguished political careers.  Some have served honorably in the U.S. military, including Congressional Medal of Honor recipients.

[GypsyT]

Trump had no choice when his first choice, Yevgeny Prigozhin, was killed by Putin.

 

But this one may be better. Who isn't scared when woman in charge has menopause symptoms;

 

"Menopause can cause symptoms like anxiety, mood swings, brain fog, hot flushes and irregular periods."

 

[LALes]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 Not all of a sudden. Stop lying. 

You're the liar, here.  Not a peep out of you for 4 years about the security of  our southern border.

Now, ALL OF A SUDDEN, you're losing your mind over Tulsi being appointed.

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, LALes said:

You're the liar, here.  Not a peep out of you for 4 years about the security of  our southern border.

Now, ALL OF A SUDDEN, you're losing your mind over Tulsi being appointed.

Garbage!

I have never voiced support for open borders 

Also, border and migrantion policy are separate from global conflict policy.

 

Possibly good news. Jake Broe reports there now four republican Senators who will block Gabbard. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Jingthing

[Patong2021]

On 11/27/2024 at 6:07 PM, Cryingdick said:

But Harris was a good choice to be POTUS. lol 

 

The US voters were allowed to review and to decide upon the selection of Harris as President.

Trump does notwant Tulsi to appear before a senate hearing, thus denying a proper vetting of an important position.

 

23 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

Gabbard is currently a Lt Col in the Army Reserve.  At a minimum she holds a current Secret or even a TS (Top Secret) SCI.  If she indeed she is a current threat to national security OPM should initiate proceedings to have her clearance suspended or even revoked immediatlely. Even in security clearance matters due process is followed and a quasi type of hearing is held before a final decision is made. These claims about Gabbard are not new so why has not any action been taken during the last 4 years?? 

 

Nope. A commission in the reserves is not a guarantee of a high security clearance. Yes, she most likely has a Confidential rating, but Secret and Top Secret are  role dependent.  It is unlikely that Tulsi has a Top Secret clearance as it is associated with command and control responsibilities. The clearance holder must agree to keep personal, private, and confidential details secret and safe and she has not done that, as demonstrated by her embrace of wild conspiracy claims. It is also unlikely for  Tulsi to have a Secret classification  because it is used for people who have access to information that could cause serious damage to national security if released without authorization. There are non disclosure agreementsthat must be signed.  Tulsi last served in Public Affairs, which is basically Public Relations. She did not have  access to national security information. That is not a slight against her, as most PR reps do not have the highest level of security clearance. JD Vance did not have it when he was the PR rep in Iraq.  Many reserve officers with junior ranks can have higher levels of security clearance , but they are actively involved in activities such as  signals or planning.

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Patong2021

[Jingthing]

Trump's insistence that ALL of the candidates for senate leader must pledge to allow recess appointments (giving up the senate's power of ADVISE and CONSENT) was yet another dark sign that Trump intends to rule as an autocratic DICTATOR, as much as is possible, and a lot will be possible.

As far as silly people saying the maga autocrats can't just change the constitution on the fly so not to worry. You don't need to change the constitution. You can just ignore it knowing there won't be any consequences as per the almost total power given the presidency recently by the maga controlled Supreme Court.

Edited 22 hours ago by Jingthing

[sqwakvfr]

10 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The US voters were allowed to review and to decide upon the selection of Harris as President.

Trump does notwant Tulsi to appear before a senate hearing, thus denying a proper vetting of an important position.

 

 

Nope. A commission in the reserves is not a guarantee of a high security clearance. Yes, she most likely has a Confidential rating, but Secret and Top Secret are  role dependent.  It is unlikely that Tulsi has a Top Secret clearance as it is associated with command and control responsibilities. The clearance holder must agree to keep personal, private, and confidential details secret and safe and she has not done that, as demonstrated by her embrace of wild conspiracy claims. It is also unlikely for  Tulsi to have a Secret classification  because it is used for people who have access to information that could cause serious damage to national security if released without authorization. There are non disclosure agreementsthat must be signed.  Tulsi last served in Public Affairs, which is basically Public Relations. She did not have  access to national security information. That is not a slight against her, as most PR reps do not have the highest level of security clearance. JD Vance did not have it when he was the PR rep in Iraq.  Many reserve officers with junior ranks can have higher levels of security clearance , but they are actively involved in activities such as  signals or planning.

 

I would disagree because I was a mere 1st Lt.  in the CA Army National and I held a Secret for a decade. Vance was at best an E-3 in the Marine Corps.  It is rare for any service member at that rank to hold a clearance.  But the latest joker who revealed classified information was a Senior Airman (E-3) who held a TS because he did IT work for the MA Air National Guard.  This joker  is now facing years in Federal Prision is the exception to a low ranking member to have a clearance. 

 

Additionally I obtained a second Secret clearance because I got hired as a civilian security officer for a Defense Contractor for a gig in A-stan.  Not a whole lot of TS activity at the FOB I worked but to be  in and out of the TOC I had to have an active clearance. This clearance expired in 2020. When was last your clearance? 

Edited 21 hours ago by sqwakvfr

[Patong2021]

5 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I would disagree because I was a mere 1st Lt.  in the CA Army National and I held a Secret for a decade. Vance was at best an E-3 in the Marine Corps.  It is rare for any service member at that rank to hold a clearance.  But the latest joker who revealed classified information was a Senior Airman (E-3) who held a TS because he did IT work for the MA Air National Guard.  This joker  is now facing years in Federal Prision is the exception to a low ranking member to have a clearance. 

 

Additionally I obtained a second Secret clearance because I got hired as a civilian security officer for a Defense Contractor for a gig in A-stan.  Not a whole lot of TS activity at the FOB I worked but to be  in and out of the TOC I had to have an active clearance. This clearance expired in 2020. When was last your clearance? 

 

I was last screened by the US government in April of 2024, and it included multiple interviews and intrusive information gathering. My employer background review update was more intrusive. However, as my work is not US military nor US national security related,  I did not  need the type of  US security clearance referenced above.

 

And if you read my response again, you will see that we really are not in disagreement. Security clearances are  work related. Because of the amount of work involved to investigate and to clear people, commonsense is used.  As I stated, junior ranks can and do hold high level security clearances, but it is because of their positions.

 

[sqwakvfr]

21 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I was last screened by the US government in April of 2024, and it included multiple interviews and intrusive information gathering. My employer background review update was more intrusive. However, as my work is not US military nor US national security related,  I did not  need the type of  US security clearance referenced above.

 

And if you read my response again, you will see that we really are not in disagreement. Security clearances are  work related. Because of the amount of work involved to investigate and to clear people, commonsense is used.  As I stated, junior ranks can and do hold high level security clearances, but it is because of their positions.

 

So my experience relates to Lt Col Gabbard but yours does not.  Got it.  What does "screened" me? A background check that goes back to elementary school? A polygraph?  An FBI fingerprint background check? 

[frank83628]

On 11/28/2024 at 6:01 AM, Jingthing said:

Funny comment.

Protecting U.S. national security should be a completely bipartisan concern.

It's not only "lefties" who have deep concerns about Gabbard as head of intelligence.

I guess if there was a department of Crystals she might be a good fit. 

She was labelled a Russian asset because she defied that old hag Clinton and Obama on Syria, if you listen to her speak on any of the many posdacsts she's been on,  or her X feed you would understand that.

 

[blaze master]

 

Good to see these kinds of threads are steadily losing traction on here.

[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

She was labelled a Russian asset because she defied that old hag Clinton and Obama on Syria, if you listen to her speak on any of the many posdacsts she's been on,  or her X feed you would understand that.

 

So says the entity who has previously expressed its hatred for the USA.

[frank83628]

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

So says the entity who has previously expressed its hatred for the USA.

Listen to the podcasts for yourself. Clinton started the whole Russia hoax when she lost to Trump she labels anyone that disobeys her, only the gullible believe the Russia bs, are you one?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/28/2024 at 11:56 AM, mdr224 said:

Maybe its like Trumps version of DEI. He doesnt pick the best choice, just the one that will piss off lefties the most

I like that. Perhaps he reads AN for the comedy posts from the Trump haters, and he chooses the ones most likely to PO the OP.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The US voters were allowed to review and to decide upon the selection of Harris as President.

Trump does notwant Tulsi to appear before a senate hearing, thus denying a proper vetting of an important position.

 

 

Nope. A commission in the reserves is not a guarantee of a high security clearance. Yes, she most likely has a Confidential rating, but Secret and Top Secret are  role dependent.  It is unlikely that Tulsi has a Top Secret clearance as it is associated with command and control responsibilities. The clearance holder must agree to keep personal, private, and confidential details secret and safe and she has not done that, as demonstrated by her embrace of wild conspiracy claims. It is also unlikely for  Tulsi to have a Secret classification  because it is used for people who have access to information that could cause serious damage to national security if released without authorization. There are non disclosure agreementsthat must be signed.  Tulsi last served in Public Affairs, which is basically Public Relations. She did not have  access to national security information. That is not a slight against her, as most PR reps do not have the highest level of security clearance. JD Vance did not have it when he was the PR rep in Iraq.  Many reserve officers with junior ranks can have higher levels of security clearance , but they are actively involved in activities such as  signals or planning.

 

I don't put much faith in the vetting process. Biden as POTUS would have the highest clearance, yet he is so mentally deficient he had to be forced to abdicate his try to be POTUS again.

[Walker88]

I think she's an enormous benefit to national security. Putin and Russia will know absolutely everything about the capabilities of its adversaries as well as any clandestine penetration any adversary might have of Putin's inner circle or military.

 

Oh, did you mean US National Security?  Whoops! My bad.

[MicroB]

On 11/28/2024 at 10:48 AM, Presnock said:

guess I should have said a foreign_"born" naturalized citizen...sorry

 

Elon Musk has chosen not to renounce his South African citizenship.

 

He has a complex upbringing. He appears close to his mother, and is estranged from his father, Errol.

 

Elon's maternal grandfather was a Canadian-American  chiropractor Joshua Haldeman, who apparently was a big influence on him. Haldeman decided in the 50s to emigrate to the emrging apartheid South Africa, just two years after the National Party there, and had passed the Prohibition of Mixed marriages Act and Immorality Amendment Act (Acts criminalising Inter-Racial relationships), and then the Population Registration Act, classifying people as Black, White, Coloured and Indian. And thus Apartheid.

 

Before WW2, Haldemann was a member of the technocracy Incorporated Movement. Because that was a proscribed organisation, he was arrested and fined for his part in the publication  of an article deemed damaging to the King. he resigned from that group, and joined the antisemitic Social Credit Party of Canada, another political party of whackjobs. He ended up leading becoming a regional Party leader, trying to play down its Jewish World Conspiracy credentials, while at the same time defending publication  of the notorious Protocols of the Elders of Zion, at the same time the Nuremberg trials were going on. He emigrated to South Africa, and became a vocal supporter of the National Party there, claiming it was leading "White Christian Civilisation" against the "International Conspiracy of Jewish bankers and the hordes of Coloured people” . If having a Nazi grandad wasn't bad enough, his father sounds like a terrible chap, with his son describing him as emotionally abusive. When Musk was 9 years old, his dad shot to death 3 people he claimed were breaking in. His dad ended up fathering Elon's stepsister's children. So his nieces/nephews are also his siblings.......

 

Screwed up man who is autistic.

 

 

Edited 58 minutes ago by MicroB