Scottish holidaymaker’s scooter disaster in Koh Pha Ngan

[BangkokReady]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Oh, the Thai that was not mentioned in the article, yes?

 

That's the one...  🫡

[SiSePuede419]

Someone rear-ended my wife's car yesterday when she stopped for a traffic light.

 

Motorcycle, no helmet, no driver's license, no insurance.

 

He asked how much the damage would cost. Our insurance company estimated 10,000B because it involved 3 panels.

He said he was an assistant at a street food stall.  Now how long will it take for him to save that much on his salary minus expenses? 

 

Infinity, no doubt.

 

My wife said she tried to help him and told him to call the insurance company and tell them he has very little money.

 

And yup, Scottish Bro had you rented one of the used cars from the Russian entrepreneurs on the island, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

Their insurance on the rental car is full coverage and they do the work themselves. 😄

[ericthai]

4 hours ago, gearbox said:

At least there is no GoFundMe begging this time.

wait for it....

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Whether he was paying attention propely is a different story.

The most important story.

[FritsSikkink]

9 hours ago, BritScot said:

When your young you feel invincible! You take chances without thinking. It's called life!

It is called stupidity.

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Yeah, that sounds pretty fishy.  If it was a total stitch-up (the Thai was on the wrong side of the rode, smashed straight into him, but the police were siding with the Thai and asking the foreigner to pay), you would think that would get mentioned.

 

Live streaming one-handed with faulty breaks makes it hard to not blame the foreigner, but still sounds odd.

Your lame excuse sounds odd.

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

He was riding two handed.

The phone was attached to the bike - pointed at him.

But that does not mean that he was looking at the road - or the phone.

We will never know.

If it was pointed at him, how could it record the accident?

[it is what it is]

13 hours ago, Spock said:

Many insurance policies do cover motor scooter accidents - both driver and pillion need to be helmeted, the driver has to have an appropriate licence and no alcohol or drugs in the system. You can guarantee this guy met none of those conditions and making a video while driver would alone void any policy. I am just surprised he has got out of it so cheaply.

 

and they should probably add an exclusion for motorcycle accident claims occurring while live streaming... the guy isn;t the brightest...

[it is what it is]

8 hours ago, Pompeygeezer said:

Every accident i read about the insurance company refuse to pay out.  Do they ever payout ffs!

 

yes they do, if the claim is covered by the policy. most travel insurance policies exclude motorcycle riding - for obvious reasons.

 

insurance companies certainly do pay out, i have had one travel insurance claim settled in full at around £3500 GBP, and one household claim, due to flooding, settled in full at £30,000 GBP.

[oceanbluejewell]

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Reading the article & somewhat between the lines.

 

1) He was riding a rented scooter and live-streaming

2) He someone how ended up in the path of an other scooter hurtling towards him (head on?) 

3) He was unable to brake in time (blaming faulty brakes)

4) His insurance didn't cover him (possibly unlicensed to ride a bike)

5) He paid compensation to the other rider, indicating the accident was his fault (or corrupt police)

... thus, possibly while life streaming he departed his lane into the path of another motorcycle. 

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly, saw it last week in soi choi chai 4 - some big foreigner riding/driving with 1 hand  and filming with the other ... crazy 🤪 

 

What the fu&k is he doing live stream while driving?? 

Can't afford a helmet or gopro? 

[Tropicalevo]

6 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

If it was pointed at him, how could it record the accident?

 

It did not 'record the accident'.

The phone was recording him and stopped working as it hit the road.

This is the recording.

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-tourist-left-nothing-terrifying-230000641.html

 

21 hours ago, webfact said:

Midway through a TikTok livestream, thousands unwittingly witnessed his serenity shatter into a blood-curdling scream, moments before his phone met the tarmac.

[frank83628]

6 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

If it was pointed at him, how could it record the accident?

You could see his face while he was driving, then all of a,sudden the camera is all over the place. You dont see the bike crash into him

[Grumpy one]

21 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Don't live stream on TikTok with your phone while driving would be a good start.

He only wanted to do what a lot of Thai's and others do  

[richard_smith237]

15 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

18 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Who - the Thai or the Brit ????

 

 

 

 

 

What Thai?
I didn’t see any Thais mentioned in this story. 

 

If the other rider was  Brit you'd have peed yer nickers already... 

 

So... with a population of nearly 70 million - on the balance of probability what nationality do you think the other rider was ?

 

...  if thinking about this sensibly and with intelligent balance is something you are capable of.

 

 

[bangadang]

Brainless

[spidermike007]

The only way to survive here on the road, is to be patient, have eyes in the back of your head, drive with caution, and always, and I mean always watch out of the other guy. Chances are, he does not have much driving skill, nor patience, nor reason, nor common sense. You cannot be too careful on the road here. Especially considering that the toy police offer no traffic safety, prevention, enforcement of the law, or concern toward the prosecution of very reckless drivers. 

 

Those of us with driving skill, and a strong desire for not only survival, but the avoidance of terrible injury, are constantly scanning the road, in front of us, beside us, and behind us. There are an exceptionally high number of reckless fools on these roads, and it is the only way to preserve our lives, and those of our families, and friends, who may be driving with us, and depending on us.

 

Many of us drive motorcycles or scooters here, and it is dangerous getting on the roads with some of these other drivers.

Getting on a scooter, or a motorcycle anywhere in Thailand, much less Phuket, Phangan, Dark Tao, or Samui without a very good helmet, is like playing Russian Roulette with three or four bullets in the chamber. It is absolutely asking for problems. The degree of recklessness here is astounding. And many foreigners come here thinking "how much trouble could I get in on a little scooter, on a tropical island"? Well, the answer is alot. The amount of foreigners who are killed on the Southern islands is staggering. Most are not reported in the media. I had a friend who worked for Samui rescue for many years, and said the numbers were about 30-60 a month, on Samui, Phangan and Koh Tao. The official number is about 3 a month. Rider beware. Use as good a helmet as you can afford, and do not use these eggshells pieces of crap. They crack at the first impact, and what lies underneath them? Your skull, which is very delicate.

 

 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If the other rider was  Brit you'd have peed yer nickers already... 

 

So... with a population of nearly 70 million - on the balance of probability what nationality do you think the other rider was ?

 

...  if thinking about this sensibly and with intelligent balance is something you are capable of.

 

 

Maybe you have never been there? 

14,000 Thais live there and it attracts over one million tourists per year.

 

Most of the year there are more tourists than locals.

And most of them younger tourists who rent motorcycles more often than not with little or no experience riding bikes and far more likely to have accidents than licensed, experienced locals.

 

so I deduct very high chance that the other rider was likely a non Thai.

 

What do you think?

[richard_smith237]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Maybe you have never been there? 

14,000 Thais live there and it attracts over one million tourists per year.

 

Most of the year there are more tourists than locals.

And most of them younger tourists who rent motorcycles more often than not with little or no experience riding bikes and far more likely to have accidents than licensed, experienced locals.

 

so I deduct very high chance that the other rider was likely a non Thai.

 

What do you think?

 

Official statistics on the foreign population of Ko Pha-ngan are unavailable. What is known is that approximately 7,500 Thai residents are officially registered, while estimates suggest around 14,000 people live there, a figure that includes many unregistered Thai residents.

 

While I agree that, relative to other areas of Thailand, the likelihood of the "other motorcyclist" being a foreigner might be higher, the population distribution still suggests it’s statistically more probable that the other rider was Thai. This is simply a matter of numbers.

 

Moreover, given the absence of any mention regarding the nationality of the other rider and the way compensation was handled; very efficiently (which speaks volumes when one reads between the lines) - it seems reasonable to infer that the other rider was Thai. This assumption isn’t baseless but grounded in the available information and an effort to remain unbiased.

 

Conversely, your insistence that the other rider was foreign appears rooted in personal inclination: either to argue against me or, more pointedly, to align with a bias against foreigners in any situation involving Thai-foreigner dynamics. Your desire to frame the narrative in such a way betrays a perspective that’s less about logic and more about pre-existing prejudice.

 

 

 

 

[OneManShow]

Lucky man, still can walk around. 

[MalcolmB]

50 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Official statistics on the foreign population of Ko Pha-ngan are unavailable. What is known is that approximately 7,500 Thai residents are officially registered, while estimates suggest around 14,000 people live there, a figure that includes many unregistered Thai residents.

 

While I agree that, relative to other areas of Thailand, the likelihood of the "other motorcyclist" being a foreigner might be higher, the population distribution still suggests it’s statistically more probable that the other rider was Thai. This is simply a matter of numbers.

 

Moreover, given the absence of any mention regarding the nationality of the other rider and the way compensation was handled; very efficiently (which speaks volumes when one reads between the lines) - it seems reasonable to infer that the other rider was Thai. This assumption isn’t baseless but grounded in the available information and an effort to remain unbiased.

 

Conversely, your insistence that the other rider was foreign appears rooted in personal inclination: either to argue against me or, more pointedly, to align with a bias against foreigners in any situation involving Thai-foreigner dynamics. Your desire to frame the narrative in such a way betrays a perspective that’s less about logic and more about pre-existing prejudice.

 

 

 

 

So you have never been there?

[richard_smith237]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

So you have never been there?

 

Of course I've been there...    

 

But that is of no relevance at all with regards to whether or not the other party was Thai or Foreign.

 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Conversely, your insistence that the other rider was foreign

I am not insisting.

Just wondered if you knew or were just guessing. 

 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

I am not insisting.

Just wondered if you knew or were just guessing. 

 

There was no specific mention of the nationality of the other rider. 

 

However, considering the media’s consistent tendency to highlight any involvement of foreigners, the absence of such a detail strongly suggests that the other rider was likely Thai.

 

This inference aligns with the pattern of reporting and serves as a reasonable assumption based on the available context.

 

I really don't know how to spell that out for you - its an assumption, but one based on reporting patterns.

[PomPolo]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:38 AM, webfact said:

Riding a rented scooter along Thailand’s sun-drenched roads, the Scot’s journey descended into chaos

 

On 11/29/2024 at 10:38 AM, webfact said:

In what was meant to be a soul-soothing retreat at an animal sanctuary

 

On 11/29/2024 at 10:38 AM, webfact said:

he was in hospital, minus two teeth, with a gaping wound on his upper lip

 

On 11/29/2024 at 10:38 AM, webfact said:

Tourist Police Thailand has been contacted for comment

This has to be one of the best pieces of reporting and amusing explanations of a news article I have ever read on AN/TV, so I am guessing the moral of the story is don't record video while driving. don't rent a scooter if you don't know about Thai roads, ensure your insurance covers stupidity, wear a gum shield while driving a motorbike, and don't ask the BIB for a comment 555.
At least there was no mention of a gofundme which should reduce the Brit bashing hahahaha

[PomPolo]

Does anyone have the tik tok link? He is going to get some hits on this one (parden the pun 555)

[Ralf001]

7 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

 

 

 

This has to be one of the best pieces of reporting and amusing explanations of a news article I have ever read on AN/TV, so I am guessing the moral of the story is don't record video while driving. don't rent a scooter if you don't know about Thai roads, ensure your insurance covers stupidity, wear a gum shield while driving a motorbike, and don't ask the BIB for a comment 555.
At least there was no mention of a gofundme which should reduce the Brit bashing hahahaha

 

you missed these two dramtic feats of reporting.

 

 

love the shock and awe approch of Bob Scott over what is basically chump change !

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Ralf001

[PomPolo]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

 

you missed these two dramtic feats of reporting.

 

 

love the shock and awe approch of Bob Scott over what is basically chump change !

 

Hahaha very true Ralf, missed that quote, damn I have spent more than that on Soi 4 in Nana Bangkok in a day 555, looks like his sister has stepped in to help anyways so hope he gets well soon and gets back to looking after those dogs that bite everyone 🙂

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

, looks like his sister has stepped in to help 

 

yeah that surprised me... fully expected a gofundme link... but he aint a Brit !

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

yeah that surprised me... fully expected a gofundme link... but he aint a Brit !

 

   D'oh .

He IS a  Brit 

Britain :

 

[PomPolo]

6 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

yeah that surprised me... fully expected a gofundme link... but he aint a Brit !

Technically a Brit from Scotland, but would love an after accident photo with his new dentures, if it looks funny I might even contribute to a payformyholiday page 555