Heart surgeon says he won’t touch it

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/health/im-heart-surgeon--ill-30463376

[KhunLA]

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

 

Can't believe people drink as much as they do after a certain age, as the body can only take so much abuse.  I was weekend warrior, although for a while, I had really long weekends.   Then matured a bit.  

 

Came here / TH, and fell into weekend warrior again, then just a monthly warrior, or one or two when out for a meal.   Last 10+ years, really cut even that back, to almost none existent.   Don't even have any alcohol in the house.  Stop buying by the box or slab, as couldn't finish before expiration date.

 

Without it in the house, I really have no desire for it.  Too lazy to make a special trip to 7-11 for alcohol 🙄

 

Never really a problem, and don't miss it at all.  Most of the folks I know with health issues, are directly related to alcohol & tobacco.  Most aren't even around, and I'm starting to out live everyone I know.

[Upnotover]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

 

Can't believe people drink as much as they do after a certain age, as the body can only take so much abuse.  I was weekend warrior, although for a while, I had really long weekends.   Then matured a bit.  

 

Came here / TH, and fell into weekend warrior again, then just a monthly warrior, or one or two when out for a meal.   Last 10+ years, really cut even that back, to almost none existent.   Don't even have any alcohol in the house.  Stop buying by the box or slab, as couldn't finish before expiration date.

 

Without it in the house, I really have no desire for it.  Too lazy to make a special trip to 7-11 for alcohol 🙄

 

Never really a problem, and don't miss it at all.  Most of the folks I know with health issues, are directly related to alcohol & tobacco.  Most aren't even around, and I'm starting to out live everyone I know.

You are completely right.  As one who suffered a GI bleed through a burst stomach ulcer and subsequently lost 50% of my blood I can attest to what can happen.  Recovered well, stopped drinking, exercised, good diet and never felt better.  Unfortunately 2 years after moved to Bangkok.  Time will tell.

[Moonlover]

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

 

Can't believe people drink as much as they do after a certain age, as the body can only take so much abuse.  I was weekend warrior, although for a while, I had really long weekends.   Then matured a bit.  

 

Came here / TH, and fell into weekend warrior again, then just a monthly warrior, or one or two when out for a meal.   Last 10+ years, really cut even that back, to almost none existent.   Don't even have any alcohol in the house.  Stop buying by the box or slab, as couldn't finish before expiration date.

 

Without it in the house, I really have no desire for it.  Too lazy to make a special trip to 7-11 for alcohol 🙄

 

Never really a problem, and don't miss it at all.  Most of the folks I know with health issues, are directly related to alcohol & tobacco.  Most aren't even around, and I'm starting to out live everyone I know.

I completely agree with you. The last time I had a bender was on my 70th birthday. I've cut way back since then. I'm now 78 and will only partake of one whisky (on the rocks) per day. Like you I don't keep any beer in the house.

 

I have no health concerns whatsoever and haven't visited a doctor's office in years.

[Mark Nothing]

I quit all alcohol cold turkey about 10 years ago.  My reason was primarily due to the alcohol tax making a bottle of wine or spirits not worth the price tag.

 

Some years newspapers reported tax decreases but it never materialized on the store shelves.  Retail prices kept rising.

 

Overall it has been a positive to my health.  But at social events it make some of the drinkers very uncomfortable to be in the presence of a non alcohol drinker.

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, Moonlover said:

I completely agree with you. The last time I had a bender was on my 70th birthday. I've cut way back since then. I'm now 78 and will only partake of one whisky (on the rocks) per day. Like you I don't keep any beer in the house.

 

I have no health concerns whatsoever and haven't visited a doctor's office in years.

Three weeks time, my 70th, and I might have a few Mojitos.    Takes a whole day, if not 2 to recover after an all nighter, and just not worth it any more.   

 

Been down here at PKK for 6 ish years, and can't remember having a 3rd drink, in all that time.  If a 2nd, sometimes rarely finish that, especially if a beer (490ml).

 

Strange, as I used to have a 2 keg bar in my first house 

One for me, one for guests 

[Lacessit]

Since 1989, the WHO has alcohol listed as a Class 1 carcinogen.

 

In old age, medications sometimes come into play to maintain quality of life. Mixing them with alcohol is pure insanity.

 

For example, paracetamol is frequently used for pain, inflammation, and fever. Mixing it with alcohol may cause serious liver damage.

[GreasyFingers]

My GP back in Oz was exceptionally good at picking patients with heart problems. That did not stop him from having a good whiskey though. There are more serious problems in life than wanting to live to 100.

[Moonlover]

11 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

My GP back in Oz was exceptionally good at picking patients with heart problems. That did not stop him from having a good whiskey though. There are more serious problems in life than wanting to live to 100.

It's not about the length of ones life, it's about the quality of that life. If your GP considers that a small intake of whisky is not harmful, then that's fine. In fact I'd agree with him. (see my post above)

 

But I've been to too many funerals since I've been here where the cause of death was put down as 'cancer'. But knowing the Thais prehensity for alcohol I'm quite convinced that what that really means is 'alcohol induced cancer'. It's convinced me that 'everything in moderation' is a good code to live by.

[3NUMBAS]

A matehada heart attack and is having stents inserted so he has to give up

[Yagoda]

41 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

My GP back in Oz was exceptionally good at picking patients with heart problems. That did not stop him from having a good whiskey though. There are more serious problems in life than wanting to live to 100.

You have to live life, because the train it wont stop going no way to slow down.

[scubascuba3]

Drinking is great, but you have to be able to control it if not don't do it before it's too late. Once a week works for me. Most people have poor self control, food, drink, whatever

[HighPriority]

There’s drinking alcohol and there’s feasting upon the stuff.

[jas007]

I don't know what goes on at AA, but what I've found from the times I've quit altogether is this:

 

If you know you should stop for whatever reason, quitting is easy.  Just adjust your mindset.  You don't have to quit for "forever."  When you wake up in the morning, your only thought is that you're not going to have any alcohol TODAY.  Just don't have any. Nexxt day, same thing.  Don't think about it, just do it.  Do that for a week of so and you'll begin to forget about it. 

 

You have to put your body in motion, so to speak, and the proper mindset shows up at a later date.  It's not unlike trying to quit cigarettes.  I finally managed to do that 50 years ago. 

 

Presently, I just drink some wine once in a while.  That's it.  That works for me.  My main concern s my health.  I've gotten this far in life with no major medical problems, and I'd like to keep it that way. 

[save the frogs]

25 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Drinking is great, but you have to be able to control it if not don't do it before it's too late. Once a week works for me. Most people have poor self control, food, drink, whatever

I think 1-3 drinks a week appears to have negligible effects on health.

 

But self-control is the problem as it is an addictive drug, in my opinion. 

 

[save the frogs]

there is also dr jeremy london on youtube, who is a heart surgeon.

he has alcohol here as I thing he considers poison.

 

 

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

I researched alcohol a while ago.

 

If you have a genetic predisposition to alzheimer's, you might want to be really careful as alcohol may increase the risk by a lot. And there is actually a specific gene to test for (23andme?), but I'm afraid of all this genetic testing. 

 

Also, those old fogies in Sardinia live to over 100, and they drink 1 and maybe even 2 glasses of wine a day. But I wonder if it's because something else in their diets protects them from any negative effects of alcohol. 

 

[dddave]

Prior to coming to Thailand, excepting wine on special occasions with meals, I doubt I averaged 10 drinks a year.  Just not a part of my life.

Then I hit Bangkok at 60, fell in with the old Nanaplaza.com crowd and was soon finding myself counting 10+ drinks, mostly beer, most nights of the week.  "Nah, I don't have a problem" said I until the night I almost stumbled into a speeding cement truck at the Nana traffic light.  Started drinking mostly soda water and Coke Zero's after that. 

I can see how it can sneak up on people as it snuck up on me.  Local bars can be a lot of fun, especially when you find yourself both handsomer and wittier with each order. 

[Luuk Chaai]

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Three weeks time, my 70th, and I might have a few Mojitos.    Takes a whole day, if not 2 to recover after an all nighter, and just not worth it any more.   

 

Been down here at PKK for 6 ish years, and can't remember having a 3rd drink, in all that time.  If a 2nd, sometimes rarely finish that, especially if a beer (490ml).

 

Strange, as I used to have a 2 keg bar in my first house 

One for me, one for guests 

same here ..     I'll hit 70 ...   3 weeks after you

 it's gonna be a toss up between opening a bottle of wine for 1 / maybe 2 glasses

  .. or a 39 year old bottle of Jack Daniels...( 1986 /  still sealed )   for 1 drink

[Thingamabob]

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

 

Can't believe people drink as much as they do after a certain age, as the body can only take so much abuse.  I was weekend warrior, although for a while, I had really long weekends.   Then matured a bit.  

 

Came here / TH, and fell into weekend warrior again, then just a monthly warrior, or one or two when out for a meal.   Last 10+ years, really cut even that back, to almost none existent.   Don't even have any alcohol in the house.  Stop buying by the box or slab, as couldn't finish before expiration date.

 

Without it in the house, I really have no desire for it.  Too lazy to make a special trip to 7-11 for alcohol 🙄

 

Never really a problem, and don't miss it at all.  Most of the folks I know with health issues, are directly related to alcohol & tobacco.  Most aren't even around, and I'm starting to out live everyone I know.

Much the same experience. Smoked and drank a lot when younger. Now 83 and happy to be down to one half-corona a day with coffee early in the morning, and no alcohol. 

[jas007]

12 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I researched alcohol a while ago.

 

If you have a genetic predisposition to alzheimer's, you might want to be really careful as alcohol may increase the risk by a lot. And there is actually a specific gene to test for (23andme?), but I'm afraid of all this genetic testing. 

 

Also, those old fogies in Sardinia live to over 100, and they drink 1 and maybe even 2 glasses of wine a day. But I wonder if it's because something else in their diets protects them from any negative effects of alcohol. 

 

It's probably a combination of factors, including diet and genetics. 

 

Three of my grandparents are from Italy.  One from Rome, one from Calabria. and one from Sicily.  My Mon's mom was English, French, and German. According to 23 and me, it shows my genetics as only 39% Italian. The rest from all over Europe and the Middle East, including the Mediterranean areas.  Somehow, even Finland is in there.  Anyway, the Mediteranian diet surely helps with longevity. 

 

All the old guys in my family were never ones to stay away from alcohol, and all of them lived to the late 80s or more.  One, well past 100. 

 

[harryviking]

16 hours ago, KhunLA said:

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

 

Can't believe people drink as much as they do after a certain age, as the body can only take so much abuse.  I was weekend warrior, although for a while, I had really long weekends.   Then matured a bit.  

 

Came here / TH, and fell into weekend warrior again, then just a monthly warrior, or one or two when out for a meal.   Last 10+ years, really cut even that back, to almost none existent.   Don't even have any alcohol in the house.  Stop buying by the box or slab, as couldn't finish before expiration date.

 

Without it in the house, I really have no desire for it.  Too lazy to make a special trip to 7-11 for alcohol 🙄

 

Never really a problem, and don't miss it at all.  Most of the folks I know with health issues, are directly related to alcohol & tobacco.  Most aren't even around, and I'm starting to out live everyone I know.

Lol! At 72, I havent been smoking for nearly 20 years and I havent had a beer for 7 months now. Not that I used to drink much before that, but suddenly I just felt my body said NO! I do not miss it any more. I am in quite good health with no issues at all and would like that to continue. I also are outliving most of my earlier fiends as they just could not give up bad habits. The diet is also a chapter for itself. Careful what you put in your mouth. It can be as bad as the alcohol! 

[john donson]

whatever WHO, CDC, FDA is claiming, just do opposite

 

people who follow that crap, you see how healthy USA is, nr 1 in obesity, stupidity, woke studies, mental disease, gun violence

[KhunLA]

11 minutes ago, john donson said:

whatever WHO, CDC, FDA is claiming, just do opposite

 

people who follow that crap, you see how healthy USA is, nr 1 in obesity, stupidity, woke studies, mental disease, gun violence

Yep, don't know about the 2nd part, but them acronym folks are hell bent on supplying big pharma with customers 🤬

[papa al]

"Known" dangers:

Junk food, sugar/carbs/grains, 

fats / oils

meat [gout]

dairy [Bovine Growth Hormones in cows milk]

diet 'coke'

water in styrene bottles.

covid vax & prolly all mercury containing vaccines

Statin drugs

MOA inhibiters

dengue fever

most drugs.

doctors

motorbikes

wing-suit flying

cobras

life

 

[jesimps]

19 hours ago, KhunLA said:

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

 

Can't believe people drink as much as they do after a certain age, as the body can only take so much abuse.  I was weekend warrior, although for a while, I had really long weekends.   Then matured a bit.  

 

Came here / TH, and fell into weekend warrior again, then just a monthly warrior, or one or two when out for a meal.   Last 10+ years, really cut even that back, to almost none existent.   Don't even have any alcohol in the house.  Stop buying by the box or slab, as couldn't finish before expiration date.

 

Without it in the house, I really have no desire for it.  Too lazy to make a special trip to 7-11 for alcohol 🙄

 

Never really a problem, and don't miss it at all.  Most of the folks I know with health issues, are directly related to alcohol & tobacco.  Most aren't even around, and I'm starting to out live everyone I know.

You have a point. I've cut back an awful lot on what I used to consume because I could no longer stand the hangovers. However, I still have a few whiskies of an evening which has the benefit of helping me unwind and reducing stress. Being stress free I find is more beneficial than being alcohol free.

[Caldera]

20 hours ago, KhunLA said:

No argument here, as alcohol truly is poison to the body.  Even a little bit, though many tell themselves otherwise.  

 

Maybe they tell themselves otherwise because it's working for them. My grandmothers both lived well into their 90s and enjoyed the occasional tipple. What would have been the point in going tee-total? Reaching age 100?

 

I'm all for drinking in moderation. 

[Wrwest]

20 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

A matehada heart attack and is having stents inserted so he has to give up

Five by-passes in 2005 (inherited cholesterol issue), heart attack resulting in stent + two angioplasties in 2015 (build up of scar tissue at by-pass sites). Evenings, sipping red wine ... at age 77.

[Alidiver]

So you're a doctor then.

In UK the fatility increases for people drinking less than 14 units a week and increases for people drinking more than 14 units a week.

A corelation need to be done with lifestyle, are heavy drinkers also sedentary and do they eat processed food?

There are too many variables.

[rickudon]

Gave up cigarettes at 24 years of age. Never a heavy drinker, soon learned that too much alcohol made me sick, not drunk. Maximum amount of beer in a day is about 2 and a half pints, or half a bottle of wine. But go weeks without drinking alcohol at all, I only drink on social occasions. Rarely drink wine now, too expensive in Thailand.