Retirement visa after overstay ban

[DrJack54]

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

So which is it, are you recommending Maneerat to OP when he will already have 800k in bank, or are you saying of course they will not want his business as he already has 800k in bank?

Don't be naive. The agent will come to agreement re cost to  open bank account without extra services 

The cost obviously more. 

No profit

 

in opening bank  for agent.

Most of cost goes to BBL insurance policy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NanLaew]

24 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Of course they did not want your business. Why are you surprised.

Does not require a reply. 

As posted earlier some agents will not even service bank account with non O + extension

 

So why did they BS about the three month seasoning that nobody else is asking for, immigration or agent?

 

If they only really want the one-size-fits-all bank + 15 month option that's obviously easier for them, just say as much, no?

[Pattaya57]

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Don't be naive. The agent will come to agreement re cost to  open bank account without extra services 

The cost obviously more. 

No profit

 

in opening bank  for agent.

Most of cost goes to BBL insurance policy. 

 

But I'm not talking about opening a bank account so your last couple of responses are weird. All my posts here about Maneerat are about what they ask for when you already have 800k in bank

 

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

But I'm not talking about opening a bank account so your last couple of responses are weird.

From OP, ...."he has just arrived, he will use an agent to open a bank

account next week, and wire 800k"

 

The guy needs to open bank account on a visa exempt entry. 

Frankly your posts are irrelevant.

He can ask various agents to open bank account and after that can go to next step. Non O.

 Unfortunately he is dealing with Jomitien. 

Agent may be best option.

[OJAS]

6 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

He can obtain a non O retirement

 

Not through a 90-day conversion at his local office, though - at least not officially. The Immigration Bureau guidance states "If you have overstayed, you are not allowed to submit an application for this type of visa":

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf

 

[Caldera]

6 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Why Jomtien has their own rules in this matter, only god knows

 

Only God knows, yes. But if I had to guess, it's because they love to collect that agent money. By creating a problem, they can sell the solution. 

[thaibreaker]

5 hours ago, OJAS said:

 

Not through a 90-day conversion at his local office, though - at least not officially. The Immigration Bureau guidance states "If you have overstayed, you are not allowed to submit an application for this type of visa":

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf

 

Seems his best option is using an agent then. Most likely to go through.

 

About the 800k in bank, it might be an idea to ask a couple of more agents. Mots is mentioned. Mr. Singh is another one.

My friend wants to have his bases covered in case it one day will be a crackdown on the 800k in bank. Unlikely, but who can be sure of anything.

 

Again, thanks, guys.

[Olmate]

7 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

I'm confused. OP asked about agent and you recommended Maneerat. OP also said his friend would already have 800k in bank, just like my example. I explained Maneerat didn't want to deal with me having 800k in bank already and you say of course Maneerat didn't want my business and my post is not worth a reply.

 

So which is it, are you recommending Maneerat to OP when he will already have 800k in bank, or are you saying of course they will not want his business as he already has 800k in bank?

Folk on here roll out Manerats name like we use Vegemite, even tho there are plenty others as good if not better. Some commenters are just cut n paste xperts and no SFA re agents. Do your own QA with agents, too much to lose otherwise! 

[Toby1947]

14 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

He has been in contact with a law firm based in Thailand, with 22 years experience, who claims to be experts in these cases, who also claims that a previous overstay ban will be on his criminal record, consequently he will not be granted a longer stay visa. 

They charge a huge amount (150k baht) to settle this with immigration...

 

I told him that a visa agent most likely would settle this for him.

They'd need to pay me ( 150k bath) a week to want to live in this place permanently. Obviously he's got sod all at home 

[DrJack54]

8 hours ago, OJAS said:

Immigration Bureau guidance states "If you have overstayed, you are not allowed to submit an application for this type of visa":

Indeed. Never noticed it at top of that page...

"IF YOU HAVE OVERSTAYED, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR THIS TYPE OF VISA." 

As stated earlier. Best to discuss with agent. 

[Pattaya57]

8 hours ago, OJAS said:

 

Not through a 90-day conversion at his local office, though - at least not officially. The Immigration Bureau guidance states "If you have overstayed, you are not allowed to submit an application for this type of visa":

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf

 

I think that means if you are currently on overstay, not if you did it 8 years ago and already paid your fine and served your ban

 

Think about it, there are plenty of people that have overstayed before, all getting 500 baht per day fines. This would mean none of them could get retirement visa and forum would have blown up with "Refused retirement visa due to 'x ' days overstay years ago" threads

[Chivas]

12 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

 

Maneerat has already been mentioned but MOTS also offers a stand alone bank account service for 4500 baht with door to door pick-up (obviously they also do the visa if needed)

 

https://www.mots-services.com/

 

 

They are very good...I approached them via messenger back in March and a British guy  (I wont say his name) laid out the procedure for the retirement option clearly and concisely and costs involved

 

Out of interest I approached this Maneerat literally last month over sorting a 30 day extension. It was like pulling teeth getting the pretty basic info that I wanted having never done it before

 

I wont be contacting them again albeit I acknowledge they are popular

[RocketDog]

15 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, I don't see need for agent.

He was admitted into Thailand. 

He can obtain a non O retirement and 2 months later obtain 12 month extension. 

Which immigration office?

When did he transfer the 800k from abroad to his Thai bank account in his name only. 

 

I did exactly the same this year but had OA for 5 years immediately before with no violations of any kind.

To a my amazement when I went to convert to the type of Visa they actually challenged the 800k I had in a timed account for several years as to whether it came from foreign sources. So I had to jump through my a** to go to Bangkok bank and get complete record showing that all of the money had originally come from foreign Bank transfers and it took 2 days to get all that information and then they finally allowed my O Visa. That was totally unexpected. Hua hin office.

 

Might be good for him to clearly prove his 800k account before doing the visa conversion.

 

Good luck.

[NoshowJones]

16 hours ago, Moonlover said:

He's paid the fine and does his time. Why should he have a problem?

This is Thailand.

[ChaiyaTH]

15 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

The OP stated ......"Now he's back here on a 60 days visa exemption,.." 

 

The friend was admitted into Thailand visa exempt. 

Maybe it got better by now with them removing it automatically or after X years, I went back to Thailand like just weeks after it expired and still with the same passport as well. Was no issue at the time to board but I did need to sign a paper for the airline (which actually got delayed 4+ hours so i got a refund and flew free).

 

I needed a break from Thailand at the time and this was the only way to secure that lol.

[thaibreaker]

2 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

I think that means if you are currently on overstay, not if you did it 8 years ago and already paid your fine and served your ban.

Makes sense, but the translation might be kind of confusing. Which type of visa can you apply for if you are currently on overstay? None.

 

"If you have overstayed, you are not allowed to submit an application for this type of visa".

 

The text makes no sense either way, since we can clearly say that this regulation hasn't been followed up much. Or else we would have heard more about it.

[Taboo2]

18 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Thanks, I was hoping you would answer. Jomtien office, he has just arrived, he will use an agent to open a bank account next week, and wire 800k. I can't imagine he will need an agent for the visa, but he wants to be sure, after he's gotten a really bad advice from a law firm.

 

Tell him to stop being cheap and pay the agent and relax...money is #1 here.

[bigt3116]

11 hours ago, OJAS said:

 

Not through a 90-day conversion at his local office, though - at least not officially. The Immigration Bureau guidance states "If you have overstayed, you are not allowed to submit an application for this type of visa":

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf

 

 

 

That means that if you are currently on overstay you can not apply, not if you have overstayed in the past.

[Pattaya57]

57 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Makes sense, but the translation might be kind of confusing. Which type of visa can you apply for if you are currently on overstay? None.

 

"If you have overstayed, you are not allowed to submit an application for this type of visa".

 

The text makes no sense either way, since we can clearly say that this regulation hasn't been followed up much. Or else we would have heard more about it.

I just think it's there as an extra warning to make sure people know not to try and use the non-imm O as a way to get around an overstay.

 

If it was taken literally then all these threads asking if it's okay to overstay a few days should be told they'll be banned from ever applying for a retirement visa In Thailand 😀 

[OJAS]

3 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

I think that means if you are currently on overstay, not if you did it 8 years ago and already paid your fine and served your ban

 

Think about it, there are plenty of people that have overstayed before, all getting 500 baht per day fines. This would mean none of them could get retirement visa and forum would have blown up with "Refused retirement visa due to 'x ' days overstay years ago" threads

 

49 minutes ago, bigt3116 said:

 

That means that if you are currently on overstay you can not apply, not if you have overstayed in the past.

 

But if you are currently on overstay, do you seriously think that your local immigration will gladly process a 90-day retirement non-O visa conversion for you with no questions asked? Far more likely that you would find yourself on a one-way trip to the IDC and subsequent deportation from Thailand, I would have thought! 

[Caldera]

2 minutes ago, OJAS said:

But if you are currently on overstay, do you seriously think that your local immigration will gladly process a 90-day retirement non-O visa conversion for you with no questions asked? Far more likely that you would find yourself on a one-way trip to the IDC and subsequent deportation from Thailand, I would have thought! 

 

If you're currently on overstay, you obviously don't have the required 15-21 days left on your current permission to stay that you need to apply for a non-immigrant visa at a Thai immigration office.

 

So a current overstay can't really be what they have in mind with that rule. I'd go with "no overstay stamp in your current passport", but I could be wrong or it could be different from one immigration office to the next. 

[thaibreaker]

2 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

Tell him to stop being cheap and pay the agent and relax...money is #1 here.

He is the opposite of cheap, he just want to be safe, doing the "right thing".

[bigt3116]

5 hours ago, OJAS said:

But if you are currently on overstay, do you seriously think that your local immigration will gladly process a 90-day retirement non-O visa conversion for you with no questions asked? Far more likely that you would find yourself on a one-way trip to the IDC and subsequent deportation from Thailand, I would have thought! 

 

But most offices will process an extension with a day or two overstay, that is why I think it is current overstay, not historical.

[DrJack54]

6 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

He is the opposite of cheap, he just want to be safe, doing the "right thing".

OP, yesterday I contacted an agent.

 

Just now received a reply.

Agent can easily obtain non O + extension with that history.

To me that implies friend can do the process himself if he wants to. 

[DrJack54]

Off topic post removed. 

[thaibreaker]

20 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, yesterday I contacted an agent.

 

Just now received a reply.

Agent can easily obtain non O + extension with that history.

To me that implies friend can do the process himself if he wants to. 

Thanks, DrJack. He has now read all the posts here, and will try by his own. If any problems turn up, he will contact an agent. 

Btw, he got his bank account already, paid 5000 baht through an agent at Sogoodvisa. Fast and easy process. All is good.

Thanks again 🙏

 

[Rob Browder]

On 12/10/2024 at 9:40 PM, Pattaya57 said:

 

No translation problem as they speak good English at Maneerat. She said if I wanted to use my own 800k baht in bank it has to be deposited for 3 months already (I explained Jomtien only required 2 months, she didnt care and re-stated 3 months). Pretty much they didn't seem interested in dealing with people that had their own 800k. They also refused to do just the non-imm O by itself. Said it's the whole package of 15 months or nothing.

 

My mate also had same response as he had 800k in bank but only just deposited. He paid the full 25k as if he had no money in bank and got the 15 month stamps

Keep in mind:  If you use your own money, you can DIY on future extensions with your bank-account statement, even if it doesn't save much in agent-fees for the 1st year.

[DrJack54]

31 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Btw, he got his bank account already, paid 5000 baht through an agent at Sogoodvisa. Fast and easy process. All is good.

For Pattaya 4500-5000 normal price for the bank account.

Assume was Bangkok Bank.

So now he needs to check with Jomitien if they still require the 2 months seasoning for the Non O retirement.

That will determine DIY or Agent from visa exempt entry to non O 

[bigt3116]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

For Pattaya 4500-5000 normal price for the bank account.

Assume was Bangkok Bank.

So now he needs to check with Jomitien if they still require the 2 months seasoning for the Non O retirement.

That will determine DIY or Agent from visa exempt entry to non O 

 

Or maybe a border bounce?

[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, bigt3116 said:

 

Or maybe a border bounce?

Indeed.

That would buy him another 60 and even 30 more with an extension 

Plenty of time to season funds if Jomitien require 2 months seasoning.

My guess is the friend will use an agent.

Plenty of good ones in Pattaya.