1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

And here some more follow the $cience...

Australian drug regulator knows DNA fragments in mRNA vaccines can enter nucleus and integrate into genome, internal emails show

The Therapeutic Goods Administration withheld information on DNA contamination risks from the public, presenting a picture of certainty where there is none

Source: https://news.rebekahbarnett.com.au/p/bombshell-australian-drug-regulator

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Internal emails from the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) reveal that the regulator withheld knowledge of DNA contamination risks relating to the modRNA vaccines from the public, presenting a picture of certainty on safety where there is none.

Released under Freedom of Information (FOI), the cache of emails shows that high-level TGA staff knew elements of the modRNA vaccines can enter the cell nucleus and integrate into the genome, despite the agency’s official line that such events are not possible.

However, TGA personnel appear more preoccupied with “allaying fears in the public” than with investigating the potential risks.

Highlights

• TGA staff acknowledge that DNA integration into the genome is possible

• The TGA knows that the SV40 enhancer/promoter in the Pfizer vaccine can drag DNA into the nucleus of cells

• Pfizer did not disclose the SV40 sequence to the regulator

• TGA staff not aware of any testing for modRNA/DNA integration into human genome

Full article here > https://news.rebekahbarnett.com.au/p/bombshell-australian-drug-regulator

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A journalist with a vested interest in sensationalism, no medical background, interpreting unseen emails without bias.

 

Yeah right, got it. You follow the science of a journalistic prostitute.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Crazy antivaxxers enjoying their fourth "winter of severe illness and death" 

 

Don’t forget the overflowing hospitals.

 

1 hour ago, rumak said:

OK... can we assume you prefer socialized medical insurance to the current parasitic health insurance industry?

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yes, that's what the Vax-pushers want you to believe.

Can you post some links to support your statement 

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Yep, Follow the $cience...

First Ever Definitive Proof That Pfizer's COVID "Vaccine" Integrates Into The Human Genome

Source: https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/catastrophic-bombshell-first-ever

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The genetic sequence found in Pfizer’s Modified mRNA slow kill bioweapon “vaccine” integrates into the human genome, and now all future “vaccinated” generations are genetically modified , as well as their offspring.

These Pfizer genetic sequences will be passed on forever in not just the “vaccinated,” but, also, in the offspring of unvaccinated individuals procreating with those that have been genetically modified.

And now, for the first time ever, it has been irrefutably proven that DNA contamination from these “vaccines” is not some accidental “contamination” or benign artifact, but, rather, a ticking time bomb that will permanently alter the genetic fabric of humanity.

. . . 

Like a moth is drawn to the flame, you are drawn to the crackpot medical/science authors.  Wise up before you crash and burn.

I'm short, you're anti-vaccinations, and you don't like Trump. No need to write a book.

 

On 12/17/2024 at 1:46 PM, NoDisplayName said:

You're getting your vaccine science from a chiropractor?

 

Where else?

 

Only brainwashed idiots and servile suckers go to virologists and epidemiologists.

 

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The long term side effects are the COVID itself, not the vaccine.

 

As with disproportionate ICU admissions, the evidence is that side effects such as chronic fatigue and memory loss are more prevalent in those people who were unvaccinated when they had COVID, than those who were.

 

I am no medical professional.  I think an unbiased study to put this issue to bed is a good use of funds.  This way if it turns out the vaccines are not the culprit for claimed side effects people will be more trusting of a new vaccine.  As it stands there is a large cadre of people convinced that the vaccines caused more harm than the virus. 

 

And of course it's possible no study will convince that group. Whatever.  And it isn't just gomers from the hills believing this stuff.  I spoke with a nurse practitioner who asked me if I had gotten the latest booster during a checkup.  She asked if I had flu shot etc and then covid came up.  I think this was in 2023.  I already had the first jab and booster and one later in 2021 and 2022.  Both mandatory if I wanted to fly to Thailand. At this point no one was requiring the newest booster and I was leery.  I told her that and she admitted she was not going to get the latest jab.  So, both sides have professional people holding opinions. 

 

 

 

 

 

Lies?

 

What lies?

 

Anything that makes Dear Leader look strong MUST be true.

 

Truth is all about retribution against your enemies and rounding up legal immigrants like animals.

 

By making the life of Billionaires better it will magically make YOUR life better*

 

*[NEEDS CITATIONS] 😂

 

 

On 12/17/2024 at 10:10 AM, impulse said:

 

It'll be years before we know.  That's why they call them "long term side effects".  But if you believe some of the early studies coming out that indicate one death per 800 shots, and extrapolate that over the billions of shots, it may be millions. 

 

I'm looking forward to RFK Jr, Musk and his AI skills, and DOGE to look at all the data, with no holds barred.

 

Where can you read all this nonsense? Go to reliable studies, not written over night by some conspiracy people with an Alu-hat.😱

On 12/17/2024 at 2:28 PM, Red Phoenix said:

But even now with the overwhelming and daily further growing evidence of the harms caused by his Operation Warp Speed that launched these toxic mRNA Covid-shots, Trump is STILL boasting about its huge success and that it saved 'millions of lives'.  But it's the complete opposite with millions of people dead from these '100% safe and effective' shots and billions harmed by them.  Trumps childish and narcissistic inability to ever admit having being wrong on anything prevents the full exposure of  this Crime of the Century.

Up to individuals if they believed the BS and had an unproven so called vaccine injected into themselves.

If anyone had it because Trump said to they were ( are ) stupid. Everyone has a brain, but seems many don't use it except to look at a phone and think "social media" tells the truth.

 

BTW I don't recall any liberals or Democrats warning not to have it, and I've seen posters on here saying that Biden was the one responsible for it

3 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

 

.  Both mandatory if I wanted to fly to Thailand. At this point no one was requiring the newest booster and I was leery.  I told her that and she admitted she was not going to get the latest jab.  So, both sides have professional people holding opinions. 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure that's correct, Vaccinations was not mandatory to fly to Thailand. A pre-travel test and documentation was required along with quarantine. I flew in a total of 6 times during the covid situation

On 12/17/2024 at 10:46 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Those of us that follow independent sources already know for years the devastating effects of these Wonder-Jabs. 

It suffices to compare the trends of excess-deaths between light and heavily vaxxed countries, and it is even more tell-tale when looking at the evolution of excess-deaths in the lower-age categories, where deaths of young and middle-age people have exploded since the roll-out of these mRNA-jabs.  Of course you couldn't find these analyses on the mainstream-media or buried deep in Public Health reports, as the truth is damning for Pfizer/Moderna, the 'Public Health' authorities, the politicians that supported the roll-out, and the complicit media.  They hoped that the jab-effects would go away (like Covid did), and that we could all 'move on' but unfortunately the harm is irreversible and phenomena like the current explosion of turbo-cancers and cardio-vascular diseases are just a forebode of what is still to come...

You are blaming vaccines for increasing cancers and CVD? What a piece of work and that’s not the content

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23 hours ago, Dan O said:

Yes and they will always continue no matter how much valid information is available. Its really tragic because some of the decisions that people need to make surrounding any medical application is hard enough with valid info and if you throw is the bs it becomes unmanageable for many to make a good decision 

 

23 hours ago, Dan O said:

Agree, but conspiracy groups are still alive.

 

Agree with what's been said above, but what I truly can't understand is how people are so naive as to believe these conspiracy theories and the charlatans who promote them.

 

Measles, for example, is something that I and people of my age were vaccinated against when we were kids and now it's reared it's ugly head again, this especially as it can kill children, and RFK Jr has suggested that the measles vaccine itself may have caused the measles outbreak in Samoa which saw more than 5700 infected and 83 die (many of them young children) stoking vaccine scepticism which doesn't bode well for the future for this island nation.

 

Are the people who believe this conspiracy theory nonsense devoid of working grey matter? And if you want a perfect example, then I refer to the "Sandy Hook Massacre" lie which was spread by Alex Jones, when he said that it was a government set up and that no children were killed, which resulted in people visiting the homes of the parents of the deceased children, knocking on their doors and demanding to see the children, which of course was impossible because they were dead. Just how dim/stupid/gullible can some people get?

 

Now the whole vaccination subject is being brought to the fore again and the nut job RFK Jr will stoke up the anti-VAX rhetoric and will no doubt find a few supporters on AN who wish to believe this idiot, when the very people whom we have selected, trusted, trained, tested and provided with the knowledge and tools to study and improve medicine in order to treat humankind, are being ignored.

 

For the record I have had three Covid shots and although I did get a fairly mild case, it was over and done with in a matter of days. In addition I and probably many others on here, will have had countless vaccinations against measles, mumps, rubella, polio, yellow fever, cholera and countless tetanus jabs over the years (including one of immuno globulin before leaving to work in Africa) and have lived to tell the tale– – I'm just so thankful that there were not any anti-VAX twerps around years ago when I had my jabs.

On 12/18/2024 at 9:18 AM, newbee2022 said:

Agree, but conspiracy groups are still alive.

Anyone who doesn’t think like you is apparently a conspiracy group.  The “science” that was all over msm was bought and paid for.  Scientists/doctors who had an opposite opinion were silenced or lost their jobs/licenses.  
Science is never settled and to disallow continuous discussions from both sides was/is heinous.  
This behaviour from government/3-letter agencies/big pharma only created distrust and confusion.  This distrust will remain for quite some time and is well earned.

If we're no longer talking about Trump's endorsement of the vaccine, but instead the virus itself, the problem with all the "science" on it, and I use that word loosely, is because the WHO never made an actual reference sample of the virus available.

 

Because of this, none of the tests could ever be incontrovertibly verified by multiple, independent labs, and everything that followed from that is fruit of a poisoned tree. If anyone wanted to research anything, it either had to be done through digital models, questionable data provided by unproven tests, or they had to isolate the virus themselves. But isolating the virus independently means nobody can ever be sure what they were isolating, or refute any results. All of those studies again became questionable because they are not falsifiable. You simply have to trust what was being said. That's religion, not science.

 

The whole response to the pandemic was intentionally designed to make it impossible to falsify. Real science is NEVER approached in that manner.

 

So why was a reference sample never made available? Because they wanted to present fraudulent, untestable results, or because it really was a bioweapon that they didn't want getting out in its pure form?

 

You can argue all you want about politics, but this was a deliberate, irrefutable action by the WHO and CDC which is absolutely unacceptable given the scale of the response inflicted on humanity. That includes unconscionable coercing billions to get an experimental jab.  This is why there must be Nuremberg 2.0 trials against all those involved. And yes, that includes Trump's role in it.

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Up to individuals if they believed the BS and had an unproven so called vaccine injected into themselves.

If anyone had it because Trump said to they were ( are ) stupid. Everyone has a brain, but seems many don't use it except to look at a phone and think "social media" tells the truth.

 

BTW I don't recall any liberals or Democrats warning not to have it, and I've seen posters on here saying that Biden was the one responsible for it

It was instituted by trump under his Warp Speed Operation and he set up the panel of medical experts to trumpet the cause so trying to blame Biden is grossly inaccurate. Both played a role with trump starting it and it continued under biden  

2 hours ago, Globalres said:

Science is never settled

if this were true we couldn't really have any industry.... but look around..... most of the science used in industry is working just fine despite the science deniers trotting out this tired trope to support their misinformation campaigns.

20 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

if this were true we couldn't really have any industry.... but look around..... most of the science used in industry is working just fine despite the science deniers trotting out this tired trope to support their misinformation campaigns.

What you are refering to is ENGINEERING based on SCIENCE. Science is never settled. The more that is learned, the more questions which are revealed.

8 hours ago, Dan O said:

Not sure that's correct, Vaccinations was not mandatory to fly to Thailand. A pre-travel test and documentation was required along with quarantine. I flew in a total of 6 times during the covid situation

I am pretty sure getting a tourist visa in 2020-2022 was mandatory to have the jab.  In fact I do recall being forced to book a room into a special hotel for testing of covid before being allowed to roam Thailand.

 

System was like being in the movie Outbreak.  I arrived at Suvranabumi.  Passengers were guided to special area where we were given seats all spaced apart.  Someone checked out temperature, papers, and then we were put in a private car and driven to the special hotel.  There we were swabbed for covid and put into our private room awaiting results.  All the staff were masked and gloved up.  Felt like I was unclean and they would kill me if I sneezed.  Morning came and results were OK we were allowed to go to our hotel and do Thailand stuff. 

 

So yeah I'm pretty sure vaccines were mandatory.  Perhaps if you LIVE there and have as resident visa it was different. 

48 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

if this were true we couldn't really have any industry.... but look around..... most of the science used in industry is working just fine despite the science deniers trotting out this tired trope to support their misinformation campaigns.

 

So you're still watching a 13" electron tube BxW TV with vacuum tubes instead of an 85" OLED and integrated circuits?  They worked fine, too.  Back in the '50s.  (Cost as much as today's 85 incher back then, too)

 

And next, they'll have 3D hologram TV's.  Because this year's cutting edge science will become next year's collectible.

 

Edit:  On an aside, I paid $459 for a 20" color TV when I graduated in 1982.  And that was in 1982 dollars.  For that same number ($459), I can buy a 75" color flat screen today.  Adjusted for inflation, I could buy a 105" big screen for the same as I paid for a 20 incher back then.  So I'm glad the science moves on.

 

3 hours ago, Globalres said:

Anyone who doesn’t think like you is apparently a conspiracy group.  The “science” that was all over msm was bought and paid for.  Scientists/doctors who had an opposite opinion were silenced or lost their jobs/licenses.  
Science is never settled and to disallow continuous discussions from both sides was/is heinous.  
This behaviour from government/3-letter agencies/big pharma only created distrust and confusion.  This distrust will remain for quite some time and is well earned.

It's not a crime if you believe "alternative" so called scientists. We're not in 1984. We live in a pluralistic society where everybody got the right to spread horrible nonsense. If you feel happy with it then enjoy your life. You will always find some companions who believe the same.

However, science has to do with facts and validated reproducible results, not with belief.

57 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

I am pretty sure getting a tourist visa in 2020-2022 was mandatory to have the jab.  In fact I do recall being forced to book a room into a special hotel for testing of covid before being allowed to roam Thailand.

 

System was like being in the movie Outbreak.  I arrived at Suvranabumi.  Passengers were guided to special area where we were given seats all spaced apart.  Someone checked out temperature, papers, and then we were put in a private car and driven to the special hotel.  There we were swabbed for covid and put into our private room awaiting results.  All the staff were masked and gloved up.  Felt like I was unclean and they would kill me if I sneezed.  Morning came and results were OK we were allowed to go to our hotel and do Thailand stuff. 

 

So yeah I'm pretty sure vaccines were mandatory.  Perhaps if you LIVE there and have as resident visa it was different. 

Nope if I remember correctly  you were required to have a pretravel RT-PCR  test within  72 hours before travel. You had to present the docs at airport check in and again on arrival  they were checked and then you went to quarantine had to take daily temp and got tested there too before release. I think it was first for 10 or 14 days and then down to 7 days    later with a vaccine you didn't need to do pre test but had to show your vaccine records.

20 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

It's not a crime if you believe "alternative" so called scientists. We're not in 1984. We live in a pluralistic society where everybody got the right to spread horrible nonsense. If you feel happy with it then enjoy your life. You will always find some companions who believe the same.

However, science has to do with facts and validated reproducible results, not with belief.

Yes, once upon a time facts told us that the earth was flat.  How long time did it take humans to finally see the light?  
Who is the “alternative”, Fox News or CNN.  Guess it’s in the eye of the beholder. 

So called scientific facts today based on large trials costing millions of dollars are generally paid for by the company hoping to reap the financial benefits from the positive outcome.  These trials are called the gold standard so all gullible people believe it without even questioning HOW the trial was run.  How was the control group treated? With saline? Or with something else that would guarantee a favourable outcome for the investor? 

When they finally did the trial on Ivermectin, the experimental group  were given half the recommended dose AND that was initiated on the 5th day off covid, rather than the first day.  Of course they had to show that Ivermectin was useless otherwise the vaccine would never have seen the light of day.  The world of drugs today has become a dirty business, sadly.

On 12/18/2024 at 7:22 AM, Andycoops said:

Regardless of the subject of vaccines the real fact is that Trump is a serial liar and has been his whole fake life.

OMG!  Is this breaking news?

 

No one here on the forum has ever heard that before.

 

May we recommend you for journalists of the year for this news.

 

 Be aware that the current holder of this prestigious award will not give it up easily.

7 minutes ago, Globalres said:

Yes, once upon a time facts told us that the earth was flat.  How long time did it take humans to finally see the light?  
Who is the “alternative”, Fox News or CNN.  Guess it’s in the eye of the beholder. 

So called scientific facts today based on large trials costing millions of dollars are generally paid for by the company hoping to reap the financial benefits from the positive outcome.  These trials are called the gold standard so all gullible people believe it without even questioning HOW the trial was run.  How was the control group treated? With saline? Or with something else that would guarantee a favourable outcome for the investor? 

When they finally did the trial on Ivermectin, the experimental group  were given half the recommended dose AND that was initiated on the 5th day off covid, rather than the first day.  Of course they had to show that Ivermectin was useless otherwise the vaccine would never have seen the light of day.  The world of drugs today has become a dirty business, sadly.

Unbelievable😂. But as I said, you're not alone. There might be other subjects you might have good knowledge. It's not important if you don't. No harm intended.

1 hour ago, jimmybcool said:

I am pretty sure getting a tourist visa in 2020-2022 was mandatory to have the jab.  In fact I do recall being forced to book a room into a special hotel for testing of covid before being allowed to roam Thailand.

 

System was like being in the movie Outbreak.  I arrived at Suvranabumi.  Passengers were guided to special area where we were given seats all spaced apart.  Someone checked out temperature, papers, and then we were put in a private car and driven to the special hotel.  There we were swabbed for covid and put into our private room awaiting results.  All the staff were masked and gloved up.  Felt like I was unclean and they would kill me if I sneezed.  Morning came and results were OK we were allowed to go to our hotel and do Thailand stuff. 

 

So yeah I'm pretty sure vaccines were mandatory.  Perhaps if you LIVE there and have as resident visa it was different. 

You are correct.  Dano wasn’t with his earlier statement.

 

I went through the exact same process as you.

 

The primary reason I was vaccinated was to re enter Thailand on my OA visa with te entry permit.   Not because of following the science.

 

The requirement for the pre-travel test ALONG  with vaccination records was mandatory at that time   Tested again at my SHA hotel upon arrival.

 

I was fortunate to only have to spend 24hrs at the Avani as the requirement for a week stay had been eliminated. 

37 minutes ago, Globalres said:

Yes, once upon a time facts told us that the earth was flat.

Wrong!

"once upon a time facts people told us/them that the earth was flat.

48 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Nope if I remember correctly  you were required to have a pretravel RT-PCR  test within  72 hours before travel. You had to present the docs at airport check in and again on arrival  they were checked and then you went to quarantine had to take daily temp and got tested there too before release. I think it was first for 10 or 14 days and then down to 7 days    later with a vaccine you didn't need to do pre test but had to show your vaccine records.

The rules changed during the pandemic on a regular basis country by country!

It was very difficult to know what you needed at what particular time wrt any particular country!