Are we really better than the Russians, Indians, Arabs and Chinese in the eyes of Thais?

[MalcolmB]

Since joining this forum I have noticed it is mostly white, older, male, English speakers contributing.

 

Often we will hear how the Thais shouldn’t be letting in other racial groups, should stop easy visas etc etc.

 

Bob/Colin/Barboy seems to have it in for the Russians in particular but also Thai males.

Others seem to have it in for especially for the one straw one coke Indians.

Some like Spidermike from the USA rant on about Chinese and Russians.

Arabs and Muslims are also targeted daily.

We even have Stephen100 who is endlessly putting the Thais down which is confusing.

 

Many seem to have it in for them all.

A common theme is that these groups should not be allowed in. It isn’t just the occasional comment. It is everyday.

 

Russians are big spending and usually in family groups, Chinese also big spending and more into the shopping, Indians and Arbs are a mixed bunch.

 

The older single western male is more into the bar scene and living and hanging out with the prostitutes in public. Thai kids going home from school share Pattaya songteows with drunken sex tourists taking hookers back to their hotels.

Younger Farang tourists are often over dosing on drugs at full moon type parties and stealing.

We can start a brawl in Soi 6 by underpaying prostitutes but the farangs apologists will be out blaming Thais.

And we look down on the other groups. 
 

Should we be taking a good hard look at ourselves in the mirror? 
 

Are we kidding ourselves that Thais (other than the prostitutes who directly benefit) really favor us and our “culture” over the other tourist groups?

 

 

 

 

[Gsxrnz]

I may be wrong, but misandry is equally as appalling as racism. 

[RSD1]

26 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Are we kidding ourselves that Thais (other than the prostitutes who directly benefit) really favor us and our “culture” over the other tourist groups?

 

Most of the locals favor anyone with money. It's just an issue of tolerance. If it weren't for the money foreigners bring in, the majority of the locals wouldn't really tolerate or want to communicate with any of us. They also don't share the same curiosity to learn about other people and their cultures the same way that locals might take more of an interest in those things when one travels to other countries. 
 

In addition, they don't really understand the cultural, religious, political, or historical differences between the various tourist ethnicities that come here. The things they notice are appearance, hygiene, skin color, behavior and politeness. That's how they separate most of us ethnically.
 

The one thing that sets one foreigner a bit apart from another to them on an individual level is the degree in which one can speak Thai and communicate with them. And since they really only want superficial contact with foreigners in general, it means that things like smiles, body language, good manners, and generosity is often what gains the most appreciation from them. 

[FritsSikkink]

No, we are not better.

[Dan O]

Thais in general (like most nationalities) view themselves as being in a higher social category than other nationalities, although even they see differences in social status due to skin color or location of the country. Im not referring to hi-so's in this statement as thats a separate issue.

While I agree with some things you say about some posters being racist toward some nationalities there is also some truth to the reasoning behind it. I think for me the tourist, regardless of nationality, that conducts themselves inappropriately is the main reason for dislike by Thais and others. The manner in which many tourist dress and act in public would be looked at the same in many countries. The foreigners that conduct themselves like they are entitled to act foolish and ignore any type of etiquette because they are on vacation are a large part of the problem.

There are certainly cultural differences that come into play as well. I have a Cafe so see people from everywhere and while most are fairly normal, there are absolutely some differences in culture that come thru without any ill intent and then there are those that it is understandable why people would view them in a very negative manner.

 

Myself, Im a racist on trump and other dictatorial leaders but dont really have issue with any specific nationalities. Just thought I would throw that out there to head off a couple of trolls and save them the time and effort to post.

[sungod]

British by birth, English by the grace of God. We are far superior, leaps ahead of the Aussies 🙂

[richard_smith237]

The way I see it, every demographic has its share of individuals who act poorly. Unfortunately, some people take the actions of a few and generalise them unfairly to the entire group.

 

This pattern is evident even among commentators on this forum, where sweeping and often prejudiced generalisations are made about certain nationalities and demographics.

 

The reality is that a small fraction of individuals within any group, whether they are foreigners or Thai locals, behave poorly and draw attention. Yet, the majority in both groups are well-behaved and respectable. Just as some foreigners make the news for negative reasons, the same can be said for some Thai individuals.

 

At the core, we are no different. Every culture, nationality, and demographic has its strengths and weaknesses. Relying on broad generalisations only leads to misunderstanding and inaccuracy.

 

 

It's unfortunate, but the loudest voices often come from those making the most simplistic and uninformed generalisations and this is then echoed by those who thrive on oversimplification and a lack of understanding.

[jvs]

If you want to be better-be better!

I am not a racist at all,i am more of a behaviouralist (knew that was not a real word)

People who act normal and treat me right will receive the same respect.

Behave like an axxhole and get what you deserve.

Nothing to do with race,all to do with culture.

No need to overthink this,

I do think i am better then people who drink and drive,all about behaviour.

 

 

[Lacessit]

37 minutes ago, sungod said:

British by birth, English by the grace of God. We are far superior, leaps ahead of the Aussies 🙂

Oh dear. I guess that's why we towel you up in quite a few sports.

 

Great Britain population - 68 million

 

Australia population - 27 million

 

Paris Olympics 2024 : Australia 18 gold medals. Great Britain 14 gold medals.

 

Would you like to quit while you are behind, or do you want to keep digging yourself deeper?

[Lacessit]

I don't know if I am better than any of the nationalities mentioned in the OP in Thai eyes, and don't know why I should care.

[mikebike]

4 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Drinking any Thai beer well lager is like drinking carbonated water, Chang before they regulated the ABV was not too bad but since they regulated it the as the rest.

i look forward to my trips to Vietnam for their great selection of Craft beers.

i was in the U.K. a few weeks ago and was drinking Forged Irish Stout, looks like Guinness but less harsh, unfortunately since Conor McGregor lost the private prosecution for rape and violence some bars in the UK have cancelled the sale of Forged Irish Stout.

Wrong thread perchance?

[thaibeachlovers]

No.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Oh dear. I guess that's why we towel you up in quite a few sports.

 

Great Britain population - 68 million

 

Australia population - 27 million

 

Paris Olympics 2024 : Australia 18 gold medals. Great Britain 14 gold medals.

 

Would you like to quit while you are behind, or do you want to keep digging yourself deeper?

That was your robust, large bodied, big strong beefy, aggressive high testosterone women that won most of your medals.

Your men are fairly pathetic really. 

 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Drinking any Thai beer well lager is like drinking carbonated water, Chang before they regulated the ABV was not too bad but since they regulated it the as the rest.

i look forward to my trips to Vietnam for their great selection of Craft beers.

i was in the U.K. a few weeks ago and was drinking Forged Irish Stout, looks like Guinness but less harsh, unfortunately since Conor McGregor lost the private prosecution for rape and violence some bars in the UK have cancelled the sale of Forged Irish Stout.

Thanks for your in-depth comments. 

[NorthernRyland]

I've head first hand their distaste for Chinese and especially Indians (they do enjoy Chinese movies though so there's that). Whose counties do they migrate to themselves? White countries, by far. That should tell you all you need to know about who they prefer.  We don't even need to get into interracial dating/marriage stats which paint the same picture.

[sungod]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Oh dear. I guess that's why we towel you up in quite a few sports.

 

Great Britain population - 68 million

 

Australia population - 27 million

 

Paris Olympics 2024 : Australia 18 gold medals. Great Britain 14 gold medals.

 

Would you like to quit while you are behind, or do you want to keep digging yourself deeper?

 

Touchy aren't you.....

 

All my love from the Mother country xxx

[Hamus Yaigh]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Since joining this forum I have noticed it is mostly white, older, male, English speakers contributing.

That's quite a skill set you have, to be able to determine gender, skin color and age on an English language forum where everyone uses a pseudonym?

[OneMoreFarang]

Some Thais and some of us are smart enough to know that not all people from one country or race or religious group are the same.

Others want to blame those others, with other languages, religion, skin color, etc.

I think it's best to just ignore those ignorant idiots who need to blame others for their own misery.

 

 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

The reality is that a small fraction of individuals within any group, whether they are foreigners or Thai locals, behave poorly and draw attention. 

At the core, we are no different.

I don’t know about that. The Japanese don’t seem to be causing as much trouble as we do for example. 
You don’t really see the Japanese walking around the tourist traps hand in hand with a little brown tattooed hooker as if it is true love dressed like a dirtbag starting fights with bouncers.

Or Russians, or Chinese for that matter. 

 

There is cultural differences.

The question is do Thais see us as superior to the others the way we see ourselves. 

[sungod]

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

That was your robust, large bodied, big strong beefy, aggressive high testosterone women that won most of your medals.

Your men are fairly pathetic really. 

 

 

Give him a break, they won gold in the men's dinghy

 

 

[novacova]

Personally I can care less of where an individual or a group of people are from, though it doesn’t discount the fact some generally come off as very rude and are very different, though in their own national setting is acceptable. My wife is very bigoted, she is very outspoken about her dislike for Chinese, Hindi’s, Muslim of any nationality, Germans and Cambodians, a non human sub-species in her view. She doesn’t have any hatred toward Burmese, she views them as a lower level of human yet she’ll converse with them and smile. When I preach to her that all humans are equal and fallible, she looks at me like I’m from a different universe.

[MalcolmB]

6 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

We don't even need to get into interracial dating/marriage stats which paint the same picture.

The majority of the farang thai marriages and dating are from the nightlife scene.

 

which in Russian, Indian, Arab and Chinese culture is unacceptable.

[Hummin]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Since joining this forum I have noticed it is mostly white, older, male, English speakers contributing.

 

Often we will hear how the Thais shouldn’t be letting in other racial groups, should stop easy visas etc etc.

 

Bob/Colin/Barboy seems to have it in for the Russians in particular but also Thai males.

Others seem to have it in for especially for the one straw one coke Indians.

Some like Spidermike from the USA rant on about Chinese and Russians.

Arabs and Muslims are also targeted daily.

We even have Stephen100 who is endlessly putting the Thais down which is confusing.

 

Many seem to have it in for them all.

A common theme is that these groups should not be allowed in. It isn’t just the occasional comment. It is everyday.

 

Russians are big spending and usually in family groups, Chinese also big spending and more into the shopping, Indians and Arbs are a mixed bunch.

 

The older single western male is more into the bar scene and living and hanging out with the prostitutes in public. Thai kids going home from school share Pattaya songteows with drunken sex tourists taking hookers back to their hotels.

Younger Farang tourists are often over dosing on drugs at full moon type parties and stealing.

We can start a brawl in Soi 6 by underpaying prostitutes but the farangs apologists will be out blaming Thais.

And we look down on the other groups. 
 

Should we be taking a good hard look at ourselves in the mirror? 
 

Are we kidding ourselves that Thais (other than the prostitutes who directly benefit) really favor us and our “culture” over the other tourist groups?

 

 

 

I think the majority still thinks chineese, Indian and Arabs have 

 

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Since joining this forum I have noticed it is mostly white, older, male, English speakers contributing.

 

Often we will hear how the Thais shouldn’t be letting in other racial groups, should stop easy visas etc etc.

 

Bob/Colin/Barboy seems to have it in for the Russians in particular but also Thai males.

Others seem to have it in for especially for the one straw one coke Indians.

Some like Spidermike from the USA rant on about Chinese and Russians.

Arabs and Muslims are also targeted daily.

We even have Stephen100 who is endlessly putting the Thais down which is confusing.

 

Many seem to have it in for them all.

A common theme is that these groups should not be allowed in. It isn’t just the occasional comment. It is everyday.

 

Russians are big spending and usually in family groups, Chinese also big spending and more into the shopping, Indians and Arbs are a mixed bunch.

 

The older single western male is more into the bar scene and living and hanging out with the prostitutes in public. Thai kids going home from school share Pattaya songteows with drunken sex tourists taking hookers back to their hotels.

Younger Farang tourists are often over dosing on drugs at full moon type parties and stealing.

We can start a brawl in Soi 6 by underpaying prostitutes but the farangs apologists will be out blaming Thais.

And we look down on the other groups. 
 

Should we be taking a good hard look at ourselves in the mirror? 
 

Are we kidding ourselves that Thais (other than the prostitutes who directly benefit) really favor us and our “culture” over the other tourist groups?

 

 

 

Any group that becomes dominant where you staying will become a pain in the ass no matter where they are from.

 

Some western groups, do not even need to be a larger group becoming annoying, that's just how it is.

 

I like quiet and decent places, and those places you have to pay for. Put it another way, very seldom I experience annoyance at 5 star hotels, resorts or a my farm outback in Isaan. 

 

You pay for quality and quiet as well hopefully a nice view 

[MalcolmB]

6 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

That's quite a skill set you have, to be able to determine gender, skin color and age on an English language forum where everyone uses a pseudonym?

Thanks

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

my farm outback in Isaan. 

 

You pay for quality

Ok, I always heard the prices in outback Issan were reasonable 

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

British by birth, English by the grace of God. We are far superior, leaps ahead of the Aussies 🙂

Well, you guys shipped your pain in the place sun never shines away, and still you guys are a pain where the sun never shines. Go figure I take ozzys any time before brits

[Lacessit]

Just now, sungod said:

 

Touchy aren't you.....

 

All my love from the Mother country xxx

No, just amused by the assumption of superiority where there is no foundation of fact for it.

 

The British Empire died in the Ashes of WWII.

 

Many Brits seem to want to emigrate to Australia, although the days of the ten-pound Pom are long gone.

 

Those that go back to England after a bout o,f whinging, must miss their regular dose of rheumatism.

 

 

 

[sungod]

Just now, Lacessit said:

No, just amused by the assumption of superiority where there is no foundation of fact for it.

 

The British Empire died in the Ashes of WWII.

 

Many Brits seem to want to emigrate to Australia, although the days of the ten-pound Pom are long gone.

 

Those that go back to England after a bout o,f whinging, must miss their regular dose of rheumatism.

 

 

 

 

Says one of our descendants, everyone knows Aussies are frustrated wanna be  Brits 🙂

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

The British Empire died in the Ashes of WWII.

I thought they took a break from cricket during the war?

[Hummin]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Ok, I always heard the prices in outback Issan were reasonable 

When you build a without infrastructure, it takes a bit more resources, but you experience less ignorant neighbours. 

 

Still cheaper than buying an appartment or townhouse anywhere around the tourist destinations.