Britain’s Sharia Courts and the Challenge of Religious Freedom

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, zmisha said:

Its simple. If woman is single, independent self-sufficient and overprotected, she does not need a husband for safety. That's why they prefer to not have a husband, to divorce and stay alone. But in order for a woman to have many children, she must be married. Otherwise, it is simply impossible to take care of so many children alone.
Eastern democracies and Sharia courts know this. That`s why, for example, In the case of rape, the Sharia court will say that the woman provoked the man herself. This leads to women seeking to get married to ensure their safety. While married, a woman constantly produces children. Easy and simple.

 

OMG.......you have to be a wind up merchant.

[Social Media]

Troll post removed @Will B Good please stop attempting to derail the topic with trolling remarks. If you can't discuss without deflection then move on. 

[Gandtee]

3 hours ago, zmisha said:

All people breed like rabbits inside strong families. Ordinary courts with all these human rights nonsense in their heads destroy families by overprotecting women. This leads to depopulation and extinction of the indigenous white population.
UK should take a closer look at the successful experience of Eastern democracies and Sharia courts inside the UK.

But one a year maybe. Not six.

[zmisha]

2 minutes ago, Gandtee said:

But one a year maybe. Not six.

Up to two Mohammads (convinced supporters of Sharia) per year.

[simple1]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Tell that to the women who suffer at its hands because the courts legitimate the ruling.

 

Nothing to do with normal domestic abuse the world over. What a sorry apologist you are

 

The issue is often cultural in that the victims of abuse won't access law enforcement, but there are some NGOs who specialise with support services for Muslim women. On the other side of the coin Sharia Law does provide for women's inheritance, in fact centuries prior to being introduced into Christian societies.

 

https://www.mwnuk.co.uk/mwn-helpline#:~:text=Muslim Women Network&text=We have set up and,on a range of issues.

 

https://www.alislam.org/articles/do-women-have-an-unfair-share-in-inheritance/#:~:text=The Quran states%2C “And those,4th of the inheritance.

[simple1]

5 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

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What we are seeing today is the re-enaction of the original Hirja

 

They have no intention of integrating into UK Society.

 

Sure, that's why in the UK you don't have Muslim teachers, nurses, doctors etc etc etc -Lol

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

The issue is often cultural in that the victims of abuse won't access law enforcement, but there are some NGOs who specialise with support services for Muslim women. On the other side of the coin Sharia Law does provide for women's inheritance, in fact centuries prior to being introduced into Christian societies.

 

https://www.mwnuk.co.uk/mwn-helpline#:~:text=Muslim Women Network&text=We have set up and,on a range of issues.

 

https://www.alislam.org/articles/do-women-have-an-unfair-share-in-inheritance/#:~:text=The Quran states%2C “And those,4th of the inheritance.

Of course the issue is cultural......jeez 

 

That does not excuse the abuse in anyway. 

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, PBob said:

Sharia courts are no different to the long established Jewish courts that  deal with mainly family matters. If you do not want to be bound by its decision you do not need to be.

But  life would be made hell for any woman who went against a Sharia court ruling

[AndreasHG]

18 hours ago, jippytum said:

The muslim dominant areas are increasing in the British landscape and is fueled by illegal immigration of predominantly young males of muslim faith.

 

Only a fraction of the total muslim immigration is made up of illegal immigrants. According to the last census there are 3.9 million muslim living in the UK.

It is ridículos to claim that illegal immigrants represent a significant number of them, given that the highest number illegal immigrants on record was 45,081 in 2023, and a 2020 report for the Pew Research Center estimated that at the end of 2017, 800,000 to 1.2 million people were [...] living in the UK without a valid residence permit. (Illegal Immigration - Hansard - UK Parliament)

According to a Home Office study, the UK's undocumented population is made up of people from many regions, including: Asia (52%), Sub-Saharan Africa (20%), The Americas and non-EU Europe (16%), and The Middle East / North Africa (11%).

 

The truth is that the UK recorded a spike in legal immigration after Brexit (and under Tory's watch) and EU immigrants have been displaced by extra-EU ones, many of them Muslims (Net migration forecast and its impact on the economy - Office for Budget Responsibility).

 

Finally, as far as I know, the UK is the only European country where Sharia courts can legally operate.

 

https://assets.aseannow.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2024_12/ImmUK.jpg.fd39c36a8a9aae377df4ac178fe60a89.jpg

[Neeranam]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Let me know all the wonderful accomplishments Saudi Arabia has made in the way of benefiting the planet in the past 10 years. 

At least they are not a war machine like the USA. 

[Neeranam]

32 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

Only a fraction of the total muslim immigration is made up of illegal immigrants. According to the last census there are 3.9 million muslim living in the UK.

It is ridículos to claim that illegal immigrants represent a significant number of them, given that the highest number illegal immigrants on record was 45,081 in 2023, and a 2020 report for the Pew Research Center estimated that at the end of 2017, 800,000 to 1.2 million people were [...] living in the UK without a valid residence permit. (Illegal Immigration - Hansard - UK Parliament)

Totally agree, it is pure Islamophobia to think this. 

[Neeranam]

The point is that you are not respecting other people's culture.  

UK colonized many countries in the Middle East in the last century. Guess it's OK for The UK and USA to invade other countries but Muslim countries are not allowed to invade any others, go figure. 

[nauseus]

 

10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I highly doubt that but if it happens, fair enough. 

Out of interest, what do you think about Britain colonizing, and hence ruling,  Iraq, Egypt, UAE, Transjordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen,, etc?

Just asking as some think it is OK one way but not the other. 

 

Do you think that these countries all have guilt-free histories?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

But  life would be made hell for any woman who went against a Sharia court ruling

 

Ah! There you are. Merry Christmas.

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The point is that you are not respecting other people's culture.  

UK colonized many countries in the Middle East in the last century. Guess it's OK for The UK and USA to invade other countries but Muslim countries are not allowed to invade any others, go figure. 

 

They were invading half the world long before the west had any real power. Stop talking cobblers.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

At least they are not a war machine like the USA. 

They just tell the US war machine where to go while killing reporters and sending Wahabbist Imams around the world spreading hate and oppression. See Malaysia and Indonesia.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Purdey said:

Wait until the police find a few chopped off hands. 

Say what you will, Riyadh, when I lived there, had probably the least crime of any place I've been because they actually punish criminals, unlike western nanny states that allow crime to flourish.

[MangoKorat]

Firstly, whilst there is growing evidence that these 'Sharia Courts' exist, they remain illegal in the UK and the authorities claim they are cracking down on them.

 

However, is it surprising that they exist?  Islamic culture is totally incompatible with British culture - the two cannot co-exist, not if a Muslim is to remain faithful to his/her faith.  Whilst Brtish society cannot in reality claim to be Christian anymore, our laws and values are based on Christian values. The Church has very little say in today's lawmaking and very few Britons openly practice Christianity. Muslims, to be true, must live their life according to Islam. Islamic laws, in reality, take precedence over the laws of the country they live in. Praying 5 times a day, shunning alcohol etc. etc. - and those are just the mild characteristics.

 

Yet who is to blame for the state of how things are?  British law for example, provides for the humane slaughter of animals for human consumption. Except that is, for Muslims and Jews who are allowed to bypass those laws to comply with their own - Halal and Kosher slaughter.  Muslim kids are routinely educated at underground Islamic schools with the intention of preventing them from being immeresed in British culture. Again, the authorities claim to be clamping down on those schools yet there are literally hundreds of them - there was a TV documentary on the very subject a few years ago.

 

They are known to practice forced segregation between girls and boys and there have been reports of homophobic and misogynistic sermons being preached. There have been some prosecutions and fines but nowhere near enough and the schools carry on.

 

When I was a kid, a lad came down from Scotland to live in England - I believe his father's work was the reason for the move.  He became a good mate but when he arrived in Yorkshire aged 11, he had a very strong Scots accent. By the time he was around 14, he had totally lost it and spoke with a strong Yorkshire 'twang' - just as I do.  How many Brits here know or have heard a 3rd or 4th generation immigrant Pakistani youth speak?  They all speak with an Asian accent.  Why is that?  Its because they are in the main, kept away from mainstream British kids and culture.  We had Pakistani families living in my area for many years - whereas my Scottish mate regularly attended a Youth Club with me and later 'went down the pub', I can't remember a single Pakistani kid doing the same.

 

When I was an apprentice, a Pakistani lad started at the same time as me - he was allowed 10 minutes to pray twice a day, in fact by law, the boss had to provide a private space to allow that. I couldn't have a 5 minute break for a smoke.

 

Why are many Brits resentful towards Muslims? I'm not talking about the racists, I have no time for them, I am talking about 'normal' British people who are increasingly appalled that there seems to be one law for them and another for us - that is, when they are allowed to learn of what goes on.

 

How do they they get away with their behaviour?  Because we let them, that's why - we accommodate their beliefs and culture .  Imagine demanding English speaking teachers in Thailand?  Would the Thai government make a grant towards the building of a Christian church in Thailand? Yet in Bradford a few years back, parents demanded Urdu speaking teachers and a £100,000 grant was given towards the building of a new mosque. I'm pretty sure the Thai authorities and the people  would point us in the direction of the border - to put it politely.

 

There is, as far as I can see, no way that a Muslim can live in the UK whilst accepting our customs and traditions. There is even less of a chance that they can stay faithful to Islamic laws whilst practicing those of their host country. Islam runs their entire lives and to be true to it, they must live according to it.

 

I have several friends from Jamaica, their culture is a little different to ours but it doesn't confict with ours and they have little difficulty in integrating into British society.  They are of course, discriminated against in terms of employment and housing etc. but that's a totally different matter.

 

I really cannot see a way in which Islamic and British cultures can co-exist.  There may not appear to be much of a problem to many people - but if the practises I have mentioned above are seriously clamped down on, let's see what happens then.  At the moment we more or less, let them 'get away with it'.

 

Moreso, and I think this is the crux of matters (it also plays right into the hands of racist right wing groups) - we have changed and adapted British laws and customs in order to accommodate Muslims.

 

For me its quite simple. If Britain is to avoid further, much bigger and more widespread roiting as took place in the UK this summer, it needs to revert to type.  Adaptations of British culture and laws, made to accommodate Islam need to be reversed.  Nobody asked the British people if they wanted the 'Multi Cultural Society' our politicians and lawmakers seem to be so proud of.  When they talk of that they seem to refer to things like Chicken Tikka Masala being the most popular Sunday lunch now.

 

I don't have a problem with that but its lightweight, romantic idiocy that totally ignores the root of matters.  I do however, have a serious problem with forced marriages, the subjugation of women and 'honour killings', for example.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Muslims, to be true, must live their life according to Islam. Islamic laws, in reality, take precedence over the laws of the country they live in.

Correct.

A "good" Muslim can never live according to western ideals, and only lapsed Muslims are able to, if they are ever able to break away.

 

However, when the politicians bend over to their desire for a two state country, what to do?

Unless we get leaders with some spine, I see nothing changing.

[MangoKorat]

17 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

The fear of Sharia law taking over can be exaggerated or misinformed. It's important to separate the reality of Sharia law in these countries like the UK and many other western nations from the often-misleading narratives that are promoted by some political activists.

 

In reality, Sharia law in these countries is generally limited to voluntary use in civil matters, like family disputes and inheritance. These informal Sharia courts or councils have no legal authority in the broader legal system and are not recognized as part of the official legal framework.

Then you know very little about what's been going on in these 'courts' - the punishments that have been handed out.

 

I suggest you check out some of the mainstream reports and documentaries - not made by 'political activists' but investagative journalists.  You'll be telling us they don't stone women or throw gays off the top of high buildings in some countries next. Are they civil matters?  It really doesn't matter if they are used for civil matters on a voluntary basis. The UK has its own legal system and that should be adhered to.

[MangoKorat]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, when the politicians bend over to their desire for a two state country, what to do?

Do what I'm doing - leave.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Do what I'm doing - leave.

I would if I could. Unfortunately, having foolishly married the wrong woman I'm not financially able to do so.

[MangoKorat]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

During its history, the United Kingdom's forces (or forces with a British mandate) have invaded, had some control over or fought conflicts in 171 of the world's 193 countries that are currently UN member states, or nine out of ten of all countries.

Jeez I'm sick of hearing that. I'm not proud of my country's history but it is just that - history. I am no more responsible for the crimes of my forefathers than German people are for the behaviour of the Nazis. This is the 21st century!!!

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

The UK has its own legal system and that should be adhered to.

It should certainly take priority.

 

Easily solved by politicians with a spine. Ban religious schools and require every every child in the country to attend a school based on national culture and not religion. The next generation will not be so dogmatic over religious beliefs.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Jeez I'm sick of hearing that. I'm not proud of my country's history but it is just that - history. I am no more responsible for the crimes of my forefathers than German people are for the behaviour of the Nazis. This is the 21st century!!!

and yet, as you wrote that, the British are intimately involved in the US war against the M E. The causes of the conflict which are in large part because of British actions post WW1 and in 1947.

As a citizen you are part of that.

[MangoKorat]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Easily solved by politicians with a spine.

Yes but instead they keep telling us what a wonderful multi cultural society we live in. The Jewish society in the UK segregate themselves and live their lives according to Judaism but they don't seem as militant about it as Muslims are.  I don't think that either are wholly compatible with UK culture but one appears to be a bigger problem than the other.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

OMG.......you have to be a wind up merchant.

Correct, it's not necessary to be married to have a large number of kids and expect the state to hand over large amounts of other people's money to feed them. They can even get a state house to live in.

[georgegeorgia]

19 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Also giving out criminal charges to those running these kangaroo courts

 

I find that very offensive to Australian native animals!!

[MangoKorat]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and yet, as you wrote that, the British are intimately involved in the US war against the M E. The causes of the conflict which are in large part because of British actions post WW1 and in 1947.

As a citizen you are part of that.

I most certainly am not a part of that. I have no control over the actions of my government - all factions of which are totally subservient to our US masters. There is little to be achieved by voting differently - they are all the same. However, that's as  far as I'm going on that - I've seen far too many threads closed over off topic posts.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

Yes but instead they keep telling us what a wonderful multi cultural society we live in. The Jewish society in the UK segregate themselves and live their lives according to Judaism but they don't seem as militant about it as Muslims are.  I don't think that either are wholly compatible with UK culture but one appears to be a bigger problem than the other.

The Jewish society in Britain is not large enough to attract much attention. Also, they did not arrive in a leaky rubber boat and expect to be treated as honoured guests.

However, I think their children should also be educated in a secular school. Being religious should not take priority over becoming a part of the society one lives in.