Why some of us did not get COVID symptoms …even though we were exposed.

[impulse]

On 1/4/2025 at 10:23 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Obviously you won't find anything about it on the complicit mainstream-media.

But dr Wolf has been continually posting on alternative media about the crimes that are evidenced from Pfizers own documents. 

 

By "alternative media", you mean the ones that don't advertise weight loss injections and boner pills to make their money?

 

[bradiston]

On 1/4/2025 at 9:23 AM, Red Phoenix said:

 

@bradiston > You wrote "But I can't find any reference to any reaction to the ongoing release anywhere. The plaintiffs seems to have gone quiet. Who knows?"

 

The 300.000 Pfizer documents that were released over a 1.5 year period (instead of keeping them buried for 75 years as the FDA wanted) are being investigated by a crowdsourced investigation team led by dr Naomi Wolf.  Obviously you won't find anything about it on the complicit mainstream-media.

But dr Wolf has been continually posting on alternative media about the crimes that are evidenced from Pfizers own documents. 

Actually the very first post on this new sub-forum was about that specific issue. 

See link to post below >

 

I found your linked post dated November 24th 2024. Not a single reply. Odd, considering what is being claimed now by Ms Wolf. Yes, she posts on X, Musk's madhouse. The link concerns the effects of COVID jabs on female reproductive systems, referencing, but not showing, charts indicating disastrous consequences for 1000s of women and girls. But nobody seems to have followed up on this. Why? There are a million and one anti vax commentators, "scientists", experts, but they all seem to be shy of being seen in public with "la Wolf".

 

But there are links to a Japanese cancer specialist describing "turbo cancer", based on a report of a woman finding her husband dead 5 days after a jab.

 

The war of words, "facts" and "figures" between pro and anti Vax campaigners continues. Its an industry in itself.

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I found your linked post dated November 24th 2024. Not a single reply. Odd, considering what is being claimed now by Ms Wolf.

That's most probably because it was the very first post on this Off-the-Beaten-Track censorship-free sub-forum. 

Note that I posted that particular item originally on the Covid-19 sub-forum, and instead of deleting it there (as it did not come from an AN-accepted 'credible' source) it was moved by the Mods to the current sub-forum.  Hence the date of 24 Nov of that post, while this sub-forum was launched on 16 Dec, and has been an overnight success as it allows Free Speech and real discussion.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 12/29/2024 at 8:09 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

How many had a stroke due to the Covid jab ? numbers are wanted

 

Do you really want to know?

 

People have strokes for all kinds of reasons, long before COVID vaccines came along, and unrelated to COVID vaccines. So studies were required to examine whether getting a COVID vaccine increased the risk of experiencing a stroke. The research found that COVID vaccines alone did NOT increase the risk of experiencing a stroke, but did find a small increased risk if the COVID vaccines were given at the same exact time as a high-dose flu vaccine, as detailed below:

 

"On January 13, 2023, the FDA and the CDC issued a joint public communication2 about the identification of a preliminary safety signal within the Vaccine Safety Datalink surveillance system for ischemic stroke within 21 days after receipt of a COVID-19 bivalent mRNA vaccine for individuals 65 years of age and older. This public communication2 also specified that the safety signal indicating a potential increased risk of stroke appeared greater when the COVID-19 bivalent mRNA vaccines (also called boosters) were given concomitantly with either a high-dose or adjuvanted influenza vaccine than when given alone. [JAMA Network]

...

To further investigate this safety signal, the FDA conducted an analysis and Lu et al3 report the results in this issue of JAMA. The analysis used data from Medicare beneficiaries aged 65 years or older and assessed the risk of stroke after receipt of either brand of COVID-19 bivalent mRNA vaccine alone or when given concomitantly with a high-dose or adjuvanted influenza vaccine.

...

Among more than 5 million recipients of either brand of COVID-19 bivalent mRNA vaccine, the study identified 11 001 (0.20%) with a cerebrovascular outcome (nonhemorrhagic stroke, transient ischemic attack, or hemorrhagic stroke). The study found no increased stroke risk associated with either brand of COVID-19 bivalent mRNA vaccine when administered alone. The results from this large cohort are reassuring and are consistent with those reported from France5 and Israel.6 In addition, no safety signal has been issued by the European Medicines Agency.7 [emphasis added]

 

https://iomc.org/news/13335695

 

Also:

Study finds bivalent COVID vaccine not tied to stroke risk

March 23, 2024

 

"Earlier this week in JAMA, researchers published data on the risk of stroke among Medicare beneficiaries aged 65 years and older in the immediate weeks following a bivalent (two-strain) COVID-19 vaccine dose, finding no significantly elevated risk during the first 6 weeks following injection."

 

The authors found no significant association for stroke with either COVID vaccine, but same-day administration of either brand and a high-dose or adjuvanted influenza vaccine was associated with an elevated risk of stroke.

 

"The current study additionally found an association that was small in magnitude between stroke and administration of a high-dose or adjuvanted influenza vaccine when the vaccine was administered without concomitant administration of either brand of the COVID-19 bivalent vaccine," the authors concluded. "This finding suggests that the observed association between vaccination and stroke in the concomitant subgroup was likely driven by a high-dose or adjuvanted influenza vaccination.”

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/study-finds-bivalent-covid-vaccine-not-tied-stroke-risk

 

 

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

That's most probably because it was the very first post on this Off-the-Beaten-Track censorship-free sub-forum. 

Note that I posted that particular item originally on the Covid-19 sub-forum, and instead of deleting it there (as it did not come from an AN-accepted 'credible' source) it was moved by the Mods to the current sub-forum.  Hence the date of 24 Nov of that post, while this sub-forum was launched on 16 Dec, and has been an overnight success as it allows Free Speech and real discussion.

 

Yes, I'm impressed! But even now it seems to have garnered little attention. You know, with all the fuss and outrage engendered by the supposed withholding of the documents. With their release, it's odd we're not getting a lot of "See? I told you so!" type responses. Can anyone really be bothered to comb through 300,000 (to date) pages of scientific research trying to find where Pfizer supposedly cooked the books? Much easier to just invent a theory based on their original refusal to release them, engendering imaginings of "They must have something to hide", and countless YouTubers calling themselves doctors decrying the cover up. So, where's the beef? 13.64 billion doses administered worldwide. All other numbers somehow pale into insignificance in comparison. No mass extinction. The world carries on. Even found time to launch 2 murderous wars since COVID.

 

For numbers if vaccines I went here:

 

https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/vaccines?n=c

[transam]

21 minutes ago, bradiston said:

 

Yes, I'm impressed! But even now it seems to have garnered little attention. You know, with all the fuss and outrage engendered by the supposed withholding of the documents. With their release, it's odd we're not getting a lot of "See? I told you so!" type responses. Can anyone really be bothered to comb through 300,000 (to date) pages of scientific research trying to find where Pfizer supposedly cooked the books? Much easier to just invent a theory based on their original refusal to release them, engendering imaginings of "They must have something to hide", and countless YouTubers calling themselves doctors decrying the cover up. So, where's the beef? 13.64 billion doses administered worldwide. All other numbers somehow pale into insignificance in comparison. No mass extinction. The world carries on. Even found time to launch 2 murderous wars since COVID.

 

For numbers if vaccines I went here:

 

https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/vaccines?n=c

I hope the anti-vaxxers crowd are not going to say Covid also caused your wars..........🤣

[Scouse123]

What is apparent in all this Covid outbreak is that it was a global overreaction to a relatively MINOR epidemic.

 

Yes, it affected the old, those already sick, those on medication with weakened immune systems, but for the unbelievable costs involved and a global shutdown, was it worth all that?......... I don't think many governments, on hindsight, think it was.

 

Many countries will NOT be so quick to jump on the bandwagon in shutting down their economies in the event of another pandemic.

[Tigger01]

On 12/29/2024 at 11:41 AM, Ralf001 said:

No vaccine here, I came through with no covid symtoms.

Unfortunately those who succumbed to COVID are unable to post the same are they? I know 3 people who died with COVID symptoms....

[Ralf001]

25 minutes ago, Tigger01 said:

Unfortunately those who succumbed to COVID are unable to post the same are they? I know 3 people who died with COVID symptoms....

 

bugger, look on the brightside... for a few years we had no influenza deaths !

[Walker88]

Since the OP is "clearly" a biochemist, probably a PhD, he must already be fully up to speed on MHC-I proteins vs MHC-II.

 

Yes, each of us has a unique protein structure around every cell in our body. While within an individual it's always the same, between individuals it's unique. Proteins are large and complex molecules, so there are slight variations in the bonds each protein has as well as the way it folds. The lucky ones among us might have gotten a certain HLA-B*15:01 allele from one of our parents. Really lucky people got one from each parent.

 

That allele has the ability to bind with certain peptides that result from the breakdown of the Covid-19 virus as it enters a cell, which turbo charges killer T-cells and B cells to block that virus from infecting more cells and destroying the ones it has infected. Such individuals are 2.5 times more likely to suffer no symptoms from Covid-19 infection (if they have one HLA-B*15:01 allele from one parent) and up to 8.5 times more likely to suffer no symptoms if they got that allele from both parents.

 

Luckier still are those folks who inherited the Delta 32 gene, a gene which not only protected one's ancestors from the Bubonic Plague, but also makes it unlikely the carrier can become infected with viruses such as HIV or Covid-19.

[rattlesnake]

37 minutes ago, Tigger01 said:

Unfortunately those who succumbed to COVID are unable to post the same are they? I know 3 people who died with COVID symptoms....

 

And as unfortunate as that is, the solution to this issue (unhealthy people susceptible to a variety of ailments) is not to inject the entire population with an experimental drug produced by the same companies who made people unhealthy and weak in the first place.

 

Big hopes for Trump admin 2 and RFK, who is aware of the fundamental issue, which is the poisoning of the population from birth in order to create lifelong clients for the pharmaceutical industry.

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, Tigger01 said:

Unfortunately those who succumbed to COVID are unable to post the same are they? I know 3 people who died with COVID symptoms....

Time for another group cry.

 

 

[Airalee]

26 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And as unfortunate as that is, the solution to this issue (unhealthy people susceptible to a variety of ailments) is not to inject the entire population with an experimental drug produced by the same companies who made people unhealthy and weak in the first place.

 

Big hopes for Trump admin 2 and RFK, who is aware of the fundamental issue, which is the poisoning of the population from birth in order to create lifelong clients for the pharmaceutical industry.

I thought the solution was a culling.

[Tigger01]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Since the OP is "clearly" a biochemist, probably a PhD, he must already be fully up to speed on MHC-I proteins vs MHC-II.

 

Yes, each of us has a unique protein structure around every cell in our body. While within an individual it's always the same, between individuals it's unique. Proteins are large and complex molecules, so there are slight variations in the bonds each protein has as well as the way it folds. The lucky ones among us might have gotten a certain HLA-B*15:01 allele from one of our parents. Really lucky people got one from each parent.

 

That allele has the ability to bind with certain peptides that result from the breakdown of the Covid-19 virus as it enters a cell, which turbo charges killer T-cells and B cells to block that virus from infecting more cells and destroying the ones it has infected. Such individuals are 2.5 times more likely to suffer no symptoms from Covid-19 infection (if they have one HLA-B*15:01 allele from one parent) and up to 8.5 times more likely to suffer no symptoms if they got that allele from both parents.

 

Luckier still are those folks who inherited the Delta 32 gene, a gene which not only protected one's ancestors from the Bubonic Plague, but also makes it unlikely the carrier can become infected with viruses such as HIV or Covid-19.

Good explanation but far too complex for the conspiracy numpties to take on board.....

[rattlesnake]

59 minutes ago, Tigger01 said:

Good explanation but far too complex for the conspiracy numpties to take on board.....

 

It's BS jargon.

[bradiston]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It's BS jargon.

Oh, you mean science? Yes, the world was created 6,000 years ago and it's flat. Is that it? Nice and simple? All this technical talk makes your brain hurt? Much easier to just believe the BS - cull, poison, plot. Language you understand, right? So tedious.

[rattlesnake]

2 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Oh, you mean science? Yes, the world was created 6,000 years ago and it's flat. Is that it? Nice and simple? All this technical talk makes your brain hurt? Much easier to just believe the BS - cull, poison, plot. Language you understand, right? So tedious.

 

Yes, I mean science and I fully appreciate that I am a blasphemer.

[bradiston]

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Yes, I mean science and I fully appreciate that I am a blasphemer.

What's your religion? Could be serious.

[Flyguy330]

21 hours ago, Airalee said:

Time for another group cry.

 

 

Yeah, <deleted> 'em, eh.

[Flyguy330]

On 1/4/2025 at 3:56 PM, rattlesnake said:

Incorrect on India: "Passengers must upload their negative COVID-19 RT-PCR report, which is to be conducted within 72 hours prior to the scheduled departure time OR a Certificate showing they have completed their primary COVID-19 vaccination."

WTF?? - you denied that airlines required vaccine proof! I gave just one quick example - MAS into India (and in fact the date of the example was when lockdowns were already being eased, so less restrictive) yet it says PROOF of negative Covid test/vaccination had to be uploaded - TO THE AIRLINE SITE - before travel. So what are you spouting about?

 

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Indonesia and the US, however, did have inbound vaccination requirements. This was not the case for European destinations, Thailand and many others.

 

Again, WTF?? You were required by EU Law to have an EU Digital Covid Cert for access to ALL EU countries; https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en

 

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Exactitude is essential and a lot of countries had no such practice. Your claim that "foreign air travel always required vaccine proof" is false.

You're a nutter.

I'm not interested in wasting my time pandering to your insanity.

[Flyguy330]

On 1/4/2025 at 7:44 PM, SenorTashi said:

I grabbed some pics for you doubters. I never said I met them all but we were doing this every weekend for months,

while you lot were cowering at home with your masks on. 

 

You claim this is a photo of 'hundreds (plural) of thousands'? Sorry, you're deluding yourself. And where / when was this taken? You provide no link. They're carrying placards about 5G phone transmitters - yes, predictable as ever - the flat earthers and tinfoil hatters on parade.

 

Here's a photo of what ONE hundred thousand looks like by the way; rather a lot more. And you were hanging out with 'hundredS of thousandS'. LOL

 

 

 

 

[Flyguy330]

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Yes, I mean science and I fully appreciate that I am a blasphemer.

Yerah, stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and sing Yankee Doodle Dandy at the top of your voice. What a hero.

[Flyguy330]

On 1/4/2025 at 7:28 PM, SenorTashi said:

I only wore a mask very briefly a few times, then I had a panic attack while being stuck in an opticians for ages.

 

This is the ultimate clincher - from your own mouth - you are a hysteric, as are so many of your compatriots.

An attack of hysteria in an OPTICIANS? Because of a piece of tissue?

Get help.

[Airalee]

46 minutes ago, Flyguy330 said:

Yeah, <deleted> 'em, eh.

Why do all the pro-vaxxed have multiple friends who died from Covid?

 

Did you all go to fat camp together?

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, Flyguy330 said:

WTF?? - you denied that airlines required vaccine proof! I gave just one quick example - MAS into India (and in fact the date of the example was when lockdowns were already being eased, so less restrictive) yet it says PROOF of negative Covid test/vaccination had to be uploaded - TO THE AIRLINE SITE - before travel. So what are you spouting about?

 

You claimed "foreign air travel always required vaccine proof" and that claim is false.

 

2 hours ago, Flyguy330 said:

Again, WTF?? You were required by EU Law to have an EU Digital Covid Cert for access to ALL EU countries; https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en

 

Again, your premise is erroneous. I travelled within the EU in 2021 without problems with a negative PCR test result and therefore, being vaccinated was not a requirement.

 

EU digital COVID certificate: how it works
The EU digital COVID certificate made travel easier in Europe during the pandemic by providing a proof of vaccination, negative test or recovery from COVID-19 that is recognised by all 27 EU member states.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/coronavirus-pandemic/eu-digital-covid-certificate/

[SenorTashi]

21 hours ago, Flyguy330 said:

You claim this is a photo of 'hundreds (plural) of thousands'?

You appear to have trouble understanding basic English. 

Anyhow. I have no interest in trying to prove anything to you because I couldn't care less what you think

[transam]

20 hours ago, Airalee said:

Why do all the pro-vaxxed have multiple friends who died from Covid?

 

 

That is a stupid assumption.............🙄...........

[Airalee]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

That is a stupid assumption.............🙄...........

They keep popping up on this thread to tell us about them.  All their fat friends and family.

 

It’s like a round people convention on here.

[SenorTashi]

7 minutes ago, Airalee said:

They keep popping up on this thread to tell us about them.  All their fat friends and family.

 

It’s like a round people convention on here.

My parents and their best friends were all in good health until they got jabbed.

Since then they've had all kinds of problems. Their friend Barry had two heart attacks,

a stroke and now he can't take care of himself and can barely speak.

The last time I saw him he was in fine form, in 2021.

He was teasing me for being unjabbed.

He said 'Look at me, I've had two of them and I'm fine!'

A few weeks later he had his first heart attack and he's never really been out of hospital since.

The doctors say they don't understand why he's so ill.