Russia Dismisses Proposed Peace Deal from Trump Transition Team

[Lacessit]

26 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

What make you think that Russia isn't in a strong position?

They got the Crimea, they got the Donbass, they sell their oil and gas.

And you tell me, they're not strong?

A bank interest rate of 21% tells me Russia is not strong.

 

Having to import 10,000 North Korean troops to fight at Kursk tells me they are not strong.

 

Having their vaunted tank fleets annihilated on the battlefield by $200 drones.....

 

Food inflation at 10%........

 

They sell next to no gas, the main pipeline through Ukraine is closed. The oil they sell is at a steep discount to world prices.

 

They send their troops into battle with two weeks' training and bullet-proof vests made from cardboard.......

 

Their main customers, China and India, refuse to pay in rubles. The ruble forex trade has been suspended to prevent shorting.

 

Yes, I am telling you Russia is not strong.

[Tug]

49 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Yes said 24 hours once he became president. 

The war would be started if he had been president instead of senile ol Joe, who didn't even know what day it was. 

Are you one of the deniers that he is unfit?

Putin wants to work trump for the maximum amount he possibly can for dear Donalds photo op,possibly a withdrawal from nato as well as throwing the Ukrainian people under the Russian boot. time will tell.as far as Joe Biden being un fit I see infrastructure,lower drug prices,chip manufacturing in the USA standing with labor + a host of other positive actions not to mention exposing putin for the criminal he is and how much the Russian military is a paper tiger.Not to shabby for a (unfit senile old man) ehh?

[candide]

2 hours ago, neeray said:

On January 21, I expect to hear an announcement that the Russian war on Ukraine has ended. Heck, I'll be generous and even give him to January 31.

The day after he brings the price of food down! 😆

[Neeranam]

44 minutes ago, Tug said:

time will tell.as far as Joe Biden being un fit

I knew in 2016, he was cognitively impaired. 

Can't believe you still  think he is fit, he is being hidden away from the press and has been from the start due to his inability to answer questions. Lest press interview ever!! 

[metisdead]

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[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

What make you think that Russia isn't in a strong position?

They got the Crimea, they got the Donbass, they sell their oil and gas.

And you tell me, they're not strong?

Begging for troops from North Korea is a bit of a tell.

[AndreasHG]

8 hours ago, neeray said:

But wait. I recall Trump while campaigning, saying that he would end the war in something like 24 hours after taking control of the White House once again.

I recall it too. But regardless of what we recall, the time has definitely come to side with the commander in chief when he does the right thing. 
And, with regards to Ukraine, I feel Trump is doing and will do the right thing.

[Chomper Higgot]

I’ll make a prediction.

 

Musk, sorry Trump, Will do whatever best suits Putin.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

I recall it too. But regardless of what we recall, the time has definitely come to side with the commander in chief when he does the right thing. 
And, with regards to Ukraine, I feel Trump is doing and will do the right thing.

And if he does the wrong thing?

[Hummin]

8 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Russia isnt in a strong position to dictate terms currently. I think dont give them what they want

They have patience, time and human resources. Ukraine have only aid from allies. 

 

The fighting spirit is about to die, it is just a matter of time Ukraine have to give in, and we the allies, is running out of important resources and high tech weapon to continue supporting Ukraine. One more major conflict, and we are struggling.

 

That's the hard facts

[AndreasHG]

11 hours ago, Social Media said:

Although Trump declined to provide specific details about his plans for Ukraine during the *Time* interview, he did emphasize his commitment to supporting the country. Reports suggest the Trump transition team has been exploring a strategy involving European troops in Ukraine and delaying Kyiv’s NATO aspirations.

 

I love Trump's proposal to have European troops stationing in Ukraine. 80 years after the end of WWII, it's time Europe steps up to the plate, sets aside its convenient pacifism, and takes charge at least of its own defense.

 

[AndreasHG]

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And if he does the wrong thing?

In a democracy you can express your dissent and also create an organized opposition to anything you disagree with the government about.

 

But I don't understand what's wrong with Trump's proposal. Ukraine doesn't have the resources to take back all its lost territory. And for a simple reason: In 2024 Russia lost 420,000 men to gain 4,168 sq km of Ukrainian territory (1,610 sqm), mostly agricultural land, good to grow potatoes. Each square mile of potato fields costed Russia the lives of 260 soldiers (link below). 

 

Which other country is so idiotic to sacrifice the lives of 260 young man for each square mile of potato field gained?

 

Only countries where human lives have very little value and are considered expendable cannon fodder, like Russia.

But we are lucky: our countries, Ukraine, Europe and the United States, are different and we understand that human lives are our most precious resource.

Ukraine, under the European or the American or a combined shield, will resurrect stronger, richer and freer than ever. Just like the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania).

It's what Russia fears the most. Let's make Putin's nightmares real.

 

 

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-31-2024

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

In a democracy you can express your dissent and also create an organized opposition to anything you disagree with the government about.

 

But I don't understand what's wrong with Trump's proposal. Ukraine doesn't have the resources to take back all its lost territory. And for a simple reason: In 2024 Russia lost 420,000 men to gain 4,168 sq km of Ukrainian territory (1,610 sqm), mostly agricultural land, good to grow potatoes. Each square mile of potato fields costed Russia the lives of 260 soldiers (link below). 

 

Which other country is so idiotic to sacrifice the lives of 260 young man for each square mile of potato field gained?

 

Only countries where human lives have very little value and are considered expendable cannon fodder, like Russia.

But we are lucky: our countries, Ukraine, Europe and the United States, are different and we understand that human lives are our most precious resource.

Ukraine, under the European or the American or a combined shield, will resurrect stronger, richer and freer than ever. Just like the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania).

It's what Russia fears the most. Let's make Putin's nightmares real.

 

 

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-31-2024

 

 

Yes I understand Putin’s callous disregard for the lives of Russian soldiers.

 

Now back to my question, you state is time to get behind the Commander in Chief when he dies the right thing.

 

Clearly not something relating to elections.

 

So what about when the Commander in Chief does the wrong thing?

 

I’ve already stated my opinion on what Trump will do.

 

 

[AndreasHG]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I’ve already stated my opinion on what Trump will do.

 

 

 

What Trump will do is yet to come. Let's focus on what he is doing for Ukraine. In my opinion it's the right thing.

 

[JulesMad]

The whole world should know by now, that as soon as tRump opens his mouth ONLY lies will come out. Truth and tRump are complete opposites; it was, it is and it will be till eternity. Nothing new, so boring 🥱 Trust me, it is true!

[candide]

1 hour ago, AndreasHG said:

 

I love Trump's proposal to have European troops stationing in Ukraine. 80 years after the end of WWII, it's time Europe steps up to the plate, sets aside its convenient pacifism, and takes charge at least of its own defense.

 

And also develop more its European weapon industry instead of buying U.S. made weapon.

(not sure it's what Trump had in mind)

[AndreasHG]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

And also develop more its European weapon industry instead of buying U.S. made weapon.

(not sure it's what Trump had in mind)

In my opinion keeping common platforms is more cost efficient and simplifies logistics in the event of a conflict. Therefore, I would like to see a strong coordination and strong commonality in defense procurement between the USA and Europe.

But both shall contribute with budget, engineering and manufacturing capabilities.

[Jingthing]

49 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

The whole world should know by now, that as soon as tRump opens his mouth ONLY lies will come out. Truth and tRump are complete opposites; it was, it is and it will be till eternity. Nothing new, so boring 🥱 Trust me, it is true!

True, but in that sense Trump should get along rather well with Putin and Lavrov (the latter though being more convincing liars).

[Captain Flack]

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[baansgr]

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Really. The Russian economy is a basket case, with the official bank interest rate at 21%. The ruble has lost 40% of its value since the war began.

 

You need to wake up yourself, tovarisch.

What was the response of US in 1962...they didn't want Russian missiles on their doorstep and quite rightly did a deal to remove theirs from Turkey...same same situation now and Russia isn't going to give in

[transam]

1 minute ago, baansgr said:

What was the response of US in 1962...they didn't want Russian missiles on their doorstep and quite rightly did a deal to remove theirs from Turkey...same same situation now and Russia isn't going to give in

A bit like Hitler, didn't work out well, did it........😉

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, baansgr said:

What was the response of US in 1962...they didn't want Russian missiles on their doorstep and quite rightly did a deal to remove theirs from Turkey...same same situation now and Russia isn't going to give in

You may be right, Russia won't give in.

 

It will come at a terrible cost to Russians.

 

The Russian demographic is collapsing. There are only 87 men to 100 women, which is not a recipe for a growing population.

[baansgr]

26 minutes ago, transam said:

A bit like Hitler, didn't work out well, did it........😉

It worked out well for Russia and US...what are you talking about.. Hitler?

[transam]

15 minutes ago, baansgr said:

It worked out well for Russia and US...what are you talking about.. Hitler?

Hitler wouldn't give in......Comprende.......😉

[candide]

37 minutes ago, baansgr said:

What was the response of US in 1962...they didn't want Russian missiles on their doorstep and quite rightly did a deal to remove theirs from Turkey...same same situation now and Russia isn't going to give in

B.S.

There are no nuclear missiles stationed at the doorstep of Russia and there was no plan to do so. Nukes have remained where there were at the end of the cold war and have not been moved to NATO countries closer to Russia, such as Poland.

 

The NATO threat is just Russian propaganda, as evidenced by the decrease of military budgets of European NATO countries and the decrease of U.S. military presence in Europe, prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

 

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/nuclear-weapons-europe-mapping-us-and-russian-deployments

 

As to conventional missiles, the decision to increase their number and locations is a response to the invasion of Ukraine

https://thebulletin.org/2024/08/missiles-on-the-move-why-us-long-range-missiles-in-germany-are-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/

[oxo1947]

Trump can finish the war in 24 hours---easy. All you have to do is--Do as Ice Cream Joe did in Afghanistan  --- "Flee"--

 

1/leave anyone behind that you told you would support--load up a plane and dont let them on, even if hanging on to sides while it takes off seems preferable then the fate that waits them....

 

2/ Make sure that the leaders of the country know in advance & have time to get to safe haven with their billions of loot.

 

3/ While your at it, leave a few billions $$ of weapons Helicopter's etc behind as gift to the invaders...

 

It's amazing--Trump hasn't even got to power yet--the talks haven't even really started yet - but the usual mob are baying away.

 

Have you already forgotten about America's greatest shame---at least you got beaten in Vietnam, you tried to take the people that helped you--pushing planes into the sea to make room for them -- Making Thailand open a boarder through Lao etc.

 

Afghanistan-- Joe made you drop your pants  and run--leave everyone behind --give them your weapons and give them anyone that help America ---and  Run.

[jas007]

I'm sure the Trump transition team is throwing around all sorts of ideas, including ideas about to end the war in Ukraine.  I wouldn't read too much into any proposal at this point. 

[zmisha]

Trump still has time to achieve a truce in order to rearm Ukraine. He has many allies among so called "Kremlin media resources" in Russia who are now trying their best to convince Russian people that good pro-Russian Trump has come and that Russian people should trust him and do what he told them to do.

[CANSIAM]

11 hours ago, portisaacozzy said:

Russia is in a very very strong p0sition, Russia could loose another 100000 troops and stil able to replace them.Wake up !

No problem, replacements are on Karon, Kata, Surin Beaches Phuket......... 

[baansgr]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Hitler wouldn't give in......Comprende.......😉

What do you call taking a cyanide pill and shooting himself...if that isn't giving in I don't know what is