Trump on Immigration: "We need a lot of people coming in."

[Yellowtail]

38 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You deport the illegal immigrants who are criminals, or a drain on the economy.

 

You let the illegal immigrants who are picking America's crops slide, because they are keeping food prices down in US supermarkets. Legal immigrants will not.

 

Is this making too much sense for some?

It makes no sense to me. You think illegals are farm workers? 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I thought he was Putin's puppet, no? 

 

 

Shared ownership, anyone?

 

Elon Musk's secret Elon Musk's secret conversations with Vladimir Putin

Elon Musk, the world’s richest man and a linchpin of U.S. space efforts, has been in regular contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin since late 2022.

The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S., European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business and geopolitical tensions.

https://archive.ph/GT5x2#selection-5915.0-5919.156

[John Drake]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It makes no sense to me. You think illegals are farm workers? 

 

Indeed, the plurality of them are.  

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In 2020–22, 32 percent of crop farmworkers were U.S. born, 7 percent were immigrants who had obtained U.S. citizenship, 19 percent were other authorized immigrants (primarily permanent residents or green-card holders), and the remaining 42 percent held no work authorization.  https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/#:~:text=In 2020–22%2C 32 percent,percent held no work authorization.

 

[jas007]

20 hours ago, placeholder said:

I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program."

In my mind, the main issue would be any current abuse of the H-1B program.  Are there equally well-qualified and hard working Americans that can do the job, or can the job only be filled via the H-1B visa? The H-1B program can be expanded, but at the same time preference should be given to equally well qualified Americans.  

[Srikcir]

Trump can't deport foreigners who take American jobs when it comes to American corporations who use foreigners living in their own country who provide in English telephonic corporate customer service to Americans.

This occurs not because Americans don't speak, understand English or lack sufficient education but purely for cheaper employment, lower taxes and higher corporate profits. No visas involved.

[blaze master]

36 minutes ago, CM Dad said:

As I said , sit down, take deep breaths and relax.  It's not grammar, "blaze" - it's correct spelling and correct use of language.

 

Ok grammar police. 

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Indeed, the plurality of them are.  

 

That's just not true. Are you lying or just uniformed? 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Indeed, the plurality of them are.  

 

In some agricultural fields, like dairy, the percentage is over 50%. Probaby well over. Which makes sense given the constricted lifestyle that dairy farming demands.

 

"UW-Madison estimates that more than 10,000 immigrants without legal status perform 70 percent of the labor on Wisconsin dairy farms.

“This industry only thrives because of mostly Latin American immigrant labor, with the vast majority of these folks having an unauthorized immigration status,” Ibarra said. “Everybody knows it. It’s an open secret.”

https://www.wpr.org/news/immigrants-economic-tax-contributions-wisconsin

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Trump can't deport foreigners who take American jobs when it comes to American corporations who use foreigners living in their own country who provide in English telephonic corporate customer service to Americans.

This occurs not because Americans don't speak, understand English or lack sufficient education but purely for cheaper employment, lower taxes and higher corporate profits. No visas involved.

No, but he can lower the tax rate for companies that operate in the US and do not offshore jobs.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

In some agricultural fields, like dairy, the percentage is over 50%. Probaby well over. Which makes sense given the constricted lifestyle that dairy farming demands.

 

"UW-Madison estimates that more than 10,000 immigrants without legal status perform 70 percent of the labor on Wisconsin dairy farms.

“This industry only thrives because of mostly Latin American immigrant labor, with the vast majority of these folks having an unauthorized immigration status,” Ibarra said. “Everybody knows it. It’s an open secret.”

https://www.wpr.org/news/immigrants-economic-tax-contributions-wisconsin

So they have illegals holding down wages in Wisconsin. 

[placeholder]

42 minutes ago, CM Dad said:

As I said , sit down, take deep breaths and relax.  It's not grammar, "blaze" - it's correct spelling and correct use of language.

This is an informal forum. No reason to cite unimportant spelling errors and solecisms. Also, for many members here, English is not their first language. blaze master may be one of them.

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In some agricultural fields, like dairy, the percentage is over 50%. Probaby well over. Which makes sense given the constricted lifestyle that dairy farming demands.

 

"UW-Madison estimates that more than 10,000 immigrants without legal status perform 70 percent of the labor on Wisconsin dairy farms.

“This industry only thrives because of mostly Latin American immigrant labor, with the vast majority of these folks having an unauthorized immigration status,” Ibarra said. “Everybody knows it. It’s an open secret.”

https://www.wpr.org/news/immigrants-economic-tax-contributions-wisconsin

There are already special visas available for agricultural workers.  H-2A.  They've been using those for years. Does dairy not qualify? 

[rattlesnake]

58 minutes ago, placeholder said:

They also know that he won the election in 2020. And he probably did in whatever alternate universe they get their info from.

 

Yes indeed.

[kingstonkid]

On 1/1/2025 at 1:22 PM, Mavideol said:

but he wanted /wants to expel ALL immigrants and close the borders   🤫🤔

And the Thai government is going to give every retired Farabg a 10-year visa with no restrictions.

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, jas007 said:

There are already special visas available for agricultural workers.  H-2A.  They've been using those for years. Does dairy not qualify? 

H-2A visas are for seasonal agricultural work. Dairy farming is a year round operation.

[kingstonkid]

26 minutes ago, jas007 said:

In my mind, the main issue would be any current abuse of the H-1B program.  Are there equally well-qualified and hard working Americans that can do the job, or can the job only be filled via the H-1B visa? The H-1B program can be expanded, but at the same time preference should be given to equally well qualified Americans.  

The challenge is that there are not enough qualified non DEI WOKE people toi cover the jobs.

 

Look at the substandard education system.  MIT and other universities are too busy with DEI and woke policies.

 

Meanwhile, you have kids in India or even here who are doing really well and developing and coding in the new crypto works with Ethereum and Solana and such, while American kids just want to play the games.

 

These people on true H1B make a difference.  

 

He wants to get rid of the people who walk across the border or take a boat across the Great Lakes, not the people who come here legally and serve a purpose other than cheap labour for hotels.

 

Would you rather have your kid taught math or science in school by a kid that got a degree in racial studies or underwater backet weaving or a person from India that actually knows the science and how it all fits in and has won awards studying science or math.

 

 

[frank83628]

On 1/1/2025 at 1:22 PM, Mavideol said:

but he wanted /wants to expel ALL immigrants and close the borders   🤫🤔

"Illegal"

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

H-2A visas are for seasonal agricultural work. Dairy farming is a year round operation.

Sometimes, they take an expansive view of things when it suits their purposes.  Seasonal fluctuations in milk production? I know nothing about the dairy business. 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

The challenge is that there are not enough qualified non DEI WOKE people toi cover the jobs.

 

Look at the substandard education system.  MIT and other universities are too busy with DEI and woke policies.

 

Meanwhile, you have kids in India or even here who are doing really well and developing and coding in the new crypto works with Ethereum and Solana and such, while American kids just want to play the games.

 

These people on true H1B make a difference.  

 

He wants to get rid of the people who walk across the border or take a boat across the Great Lakes, not the people who come here legally and serve a purpose other than cheap labour for hotels.

 

Would you rather have your kid taught math or science in school by a kid that got a degree in racial studies or underwater backet weaving or a person from India that actually knows the science and how it all fits in and has won awards studying science or math.

 

 

More nonsensical sloganeering about wokeness and DEI. H-1B visas are not for the highly advanced kind of workers that MIT and other elite universities produce.  But what they do offer is cheaper and captive labor. Captive because they are tied to one employer. You think employers don't want to take advantage of that captivity? 

And as for the workers elite universities do produce, you might ask yourself why the most economically dynamic and advanced parts of the US economy are clustered where those universities are located. 

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Sometimes, they take an expansive view of things when it suits their purposes.  Seasonal fluctuations in milk production? I know nothing about the dairy business. 

The cows still have to be milked every day morning and evening.

 

Dairy farmers largely have not been able to use H-2A visas because the current program is limited to the temporary and seasonal labor needs of agricultural employers. The current H-2A program simply isn’t an option for a commodity that “harvests” its product multiple times a day, every day.

The Cuellar-Newhouse bipartisan amendment to this year’s homeland security appropriations bill would allow farm employers to use the H-2A visa program to hire foreign workers, regardless of whether those employees are engaged in temporary or seasonal work.

https://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming-news/news/opinion-dairy-farmers-need-year-round-h-2a-employees/article_df1606ea-e567-51a5-b92d-a78bcb561e45.html

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, Scott Tracy said:

SATs and IQ tests don't make people smart. They just tell us how dumb we are.

 

We need to weed-out dumb immigrants.

We need to welcome smart immigrants.

 

This is all that Musk is asking for, after all.

 

The IQ Test is the best way to protect America's southern border.

 

 

[thesetat]

On 1/1/2025 at 1:22 PM, Mavideol said:

but he wanted /wants to expel ALL immigrants and close the borders   🤫🤔

Wow.. You guys only seek to find the flaws when the flaws are with yourselves in your reading or listening to things. Trump did not want Alll immigrants expelled. He wanted all the illegal immigrants expelled. All those starting with the worst/criminals and those already told to leave the country but ran instead. Then focus on the millions who have no permission to stay in the US and are without Visas. 

I really do not understand how hard that is to comprehend? You guys see it and comment on it constantly about foreigners in Thailand who have not checked in or have not renewed their Visas here. You post things saying to get the trash out or criminals who are illegal in Thailand. Why then, because Americans want the same in their country do you twist it into something bad? 

[Ajarnbrian]

“We need competent people. We need smart people.” Absolutely right, sensible conservatives realise this.

[kingstonkid]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

More nonsensical sloganeering about wokeness and DEI. H-1B visas are not for the highly advanced kind of workers that MIT and other elite universities produce.  But what they do offer is cheaper and captive labor. Captive because they are tied to one employer. You think employers don't want to take advantage of that captivity? 

And as for the workers elite universities do produce, you might ask yourself why the most economically dynamic and advanced parts of the US economy are clustered where those universities are located. 

Let me guess: Kamala was the brightest and most worldly knowledgeable person that you ever saw.  

 

The challenge is that California universities are more interested in quotas. However, a kid in England who can outcode anyone in the U.S.> you are saying should not be able to get a job working for a top company in the U.S., that the U.S. does not want the best and the brightest working for American Companies.

 

You do not want the best and brightest professors teaching Americans how to build things or develop skills. 

 

You also realize that businesses can not just hire anyone. They have to qualify to hire a foreign person for the job by proving that an American can do it now.

 

https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/h-1b-occupation-list/ 

 

 

[John Drake]

45 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

That's just not true. Are you lying or just uniformed? 

 

I gave you the numbers and they are official numbers from the usda. 

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

I gave you the numbers and they are official numbers from the usda. 

You provided number that showed related to what percentage of farm workers were illegal aliens. 

 

The position you were attempting to support was that most illegal aliens were farm workers. 

 

Do you really not understand the difference? 

[John Drake]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You provided number that showed related to what percentage of farm workers were illegal aliens. 

 

The position you were attempting to support was that most illegal aliens were farm workers. 

 

Do you really not understand the difference? 

 

I replied to this quote of yours: 

Quote

It makes no sense to me. You think illegals are farm workers? 

 

Yes, I think illegals are farm workers, and the percentage of farm workers who are illegals is approximately 42 percent, according to the USDA in the link I provided. That shouldn't be too difficult to understand.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Then what's the issue? The subjects they choose to study?

 

US: gender studies, India: really hard maths and science?

 

The issue is MAGAs' conflicted relationship with education.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/25/opinion/vance-trump-republicans-elite.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mE4.Fnla.p7m2OzxPCxeB&smid=url-share

 

 

[John Drake]

31 minutes ago, Ajarnbrian said:

“We need competent people. We need smart people.” Absolutely right, sensible conservatives realise this.

 

We already have them. Otherwise, the American workers required to train the H1Bs before being fired wouldn't have been able to do the job before the H1Bs arrived. Trump knew this and campaigned against H1Bs in 2016 but got bought off by Elon, Vivek, and others such as Thiel. Too many in maga are simply attached to a man, instead of policy, beliefs, and positions.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

But if the Democrats select Harris again, possibly even with her competing in a primary, than Vance is inevitable.

 

Another landslide.

Yes you're probably right about that, selecting Harris again would be truly the dumbest thing the Democrats have done in the history of the party. She's incapable, she's incompetent, most people dislike her, and I think she was a terrible candidate. Hopefully she will disappear into oblivion and the Dems can select somebody with talent and smarts, and at least a modest amount of charm. 

 

Finding somebody with at least a small amount of virtue and integrity would be a real plus too, but that doesn't seem to exist anymore in national politics on either side of the aisle.