Democracy has failed the US,maybe it's time for a King

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am sure many countries in Europe will realize more and more that they should be more independent from the USA.

What's stopping them? No one is forcing them to bend over for the USA.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What's stopping them? No one is forcing them to bend over for the USA.

There was a time when they thought they could have friendly relations with the USA as partners. That would be nice for everybody, or not?

But then Americans voted for Busch, and Busch again. And then for Trump and Trump again.

There is not much hope for friendship with a county with such a leader.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time when they thought they could have friendly relations with the USA as partners. That would be nice for everybody, or not?

But then Americans voted for Busch, and Busch again. And then for Trump and Trump again.

There is not much hope for friendship with a county with such a leader.

Their own lot are no better than Bush or Trump, IMO. Cabal of incompetents IMO. Does Starmer light your fire?

[NanLaew]

Lot's being said about the impossibility of any form of demagogic dictatorship in the US due to this magical separation of the executive, the legislative, and the judicial, all protected and upheld by this wonderful Constitution.

 

Right now the executive appears to have the judicial in his pocket, as will any Republican leader that succeeds him, so it must be quite upsetting to the hard-core MAGA clique that their grip on the legislative is all a bit tenuous due to those damn RINO's in the herd.

 

Talking of the Constitution, I heard that the word 'democracy' doesn't get mentioned in that vaunted document at all. Is that correct? I don't have a copy in my wallet.

 

 

 

[jas007]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Lot's being said about the impossibility of any form of demagogic dictatorship in the US due to this magical separation of the executive, the legislative, and the judicial, all protected and upheld by this wonderful Constitution.

 

Right now the executive appears to have the judicial in his pocket, as will any Republican leader that succeeds him, so it must be quite upsetting to the hard-core MAGA clique that their grip on the legislative is all a bit tenuous due to those damn RINO's in the herd.

 

Talking of the Constitution, I heard that the word 'democracy' doesn't get mentioned in that vaunted document at all. Is that correct? I don't have a copy in my wallet.

 

 

 

Oftentimes, the Executive thinks it has the judiciary on its side, only to find out it isn't always so easy.  For example, a Supreme Court judge nominated by a Republican president and approved by the Senate may turn out to be a liberal, or one of those votes on the court that could go either way.  And federal judges are approved for life, so things can be slow to change, one way or the other. 

 

As for the RINOS?  Not much can be done about that.  They can always be voted out the next time they run, if that's what the people want. 

 

 

[save the frogs]

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

It is not that easy, they did not vote for yes or no to abortion,

Let everyone have 1 vote?

 

But my point is that people are deluded in thinking that "democracy" is some magic thing where everyone will be blissful all the time. It's impossible for everyone to agree with everything the govt does, no matter what type of system is in place.

 

Maybe the best form of govt is a (drum roll) .... "BENEVOLENT DICTATORSHIP" ?

 

 

[RetiredNavy71]

On 1/12/2025 at 9:41 PM, SiSePuede419 said:

Democracy has failed the US.  It began to get captured by lobbyists in the late 70s.  Then in the 80s all the crazy people were set free from mental hospitals with no mental health monitoring or treatment. That's when you started seeing homeless people on the streets. Also in the 80s, the rich people who ran universities decided to make tuition unaffordable for the middle class.  They saw the inside corporate plans to outsource factory jobs to Asia and automation from robots so they knew there would be fewer jobs in the future in America so they wanted to make it more difficult to compete with their upper middle class Biff and Muffy.

Housing was pretty reasonable priced until late 90s.  That's when the corporate greed exploded in real estate and increasing profit every year became their god they worshipped and they started creating derivative securities based on total bull<deleted>.

All the while they figured out how to make themselves richer while middle class people got poorer.

Like eliminating the rule preventing corporations from buying back their own stock and using the money to reinvest in their factories. 

 

That's when they decided to outsource and pay themselves huge "dividends". 

 

Basically sucking the blood of middle class Americans like capitalist vampires.

 

Democracy failed us because it let our infrastructure degrade because all the money went to tax cuts for rich people.

 

Democracy failed us because it let the prices for real estate escalate far beyond wage increases to become unaffordable.

 

Maybe it's time to try a Dictator...?

 

In a week, it's the Find Out phase.

 

Will the slim majority of American voters (<2%) "find out" that they voted for a liar?  That's he's not really going to be a dictator on Day 1.  Not then, not never.

 

Mexico was never going to pay for the wall.  He knew it.  He just said it to make the "mark" (the gullible victim) feel good.  That's all that matters to the victims as they get addicted to "feeling good" every time their hero says something disgusting or tells some crazy lie like the governor of California signed a law preventing LA from getting enough water --there is no such thing he just told a lie because that's what Fascists do.

 

Don't worry.

 

(Toxic nicknames removed) Donnie is a total loudmouth lying <deleted> he's good at making rambling speeches at his hate rallies but actually running government efficiently?

 

"Administrative chaos" 

 

Running the federal government is hard work and the <deleted> just wants to play golf bang porn stars and disco dance to the gayest song ever by the Village People that he plays all the time.

 

And there's significant uhhh "challenges" for him to uhhh "overcome" to become as successful as Hitler was at destroying Germany's democracy within only 2 months.

 

His Billionaire buddies like Elmo & Rama Dama Ding Dong need tax cuts.

 

When you give money to poor people it makes them dependent and lazy.

 

But when you give money to Rich people it makes them bold and independent and entrepreneur and stuff. 🤑

 

ChatGPT says slow your roll, homie.

 

The historical context of Adolf Hitler's rise to power in Germany and the legal mechanisms he used to consolidate authority are unique to the Weimar Republic's fragile political system. In the United States, there are significant differences in constitutional structure, legal safeguards, and political culture that make such a rapid and total consolidation of power far more difficult. Here's why:

 

1. Constitutional Framework

The U.S. Constitution provides a strong system of checks and balances between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches.

Even with majority support in Congress, U.S. presidents do not have the same level of control over legislation and state powers as Hitler gained under the Enabling Act.

 

2. Federalism

Power is divided between the federal government and the states, making it harder for

a single

Adolf Hitler's rise to dictatorship in Germany was enabled by a combination of factors that made it uniquely possible under the Weimar Constitution and the socio-political conditions of 1933. His consolidation of power involved legal maneuvers like the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act, which effectively dismantled checks and balances and gave him dictatorial powers.

In the United States, the situation is vastly different due to its strong constitutional framework, established separation of powers, and a long history of democratic norms. Here are some key points to consider:

Why It’s More Difficult in the U.S.

1. Checks and Balances: The U.S. Constitution divides power between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, making it harder for any single individual to consolidate power.

2. Federalism: Power is distributed across federal, state, and local governments, which creates additional barriers to authoritarian control.

3. Legal Protections: The U.S. has robust legal protections for civil liberties, and changes to these require navigating complex legislative or judicial processes.

4. Military and Law Enforcement: The U.S. military and law enforcement agencies are designed to serve the Constitution, not individual leaders, reducing the risk of them being co-opted for political purposes.

Could Trump Attempt It?

Donald Trump, like any political leader, could theoretically attempt to consolidate power. However, such a move would likely face significant resistance from:

Congress: Even a partisan Congress would be unlikely to fully abdicate its power, as doing so would undermine its members' authority.

The Judiciary: Federal courts, including the Supreme Court, serve as a bulwark against executive overreach.

The Media and Public: A free press and active civil society provide additional barriers to authoritarianism.

Personality Factors

While Trump has shown an interest in pushing the boundaries of executive power, his approach has often been characterized by legal challenges, administrative chaos, and reliance on loyalists rather than systematic restructuring of institutions. This contrasts sharply with Hitler's methodical and strategic approach to dismantling the Weimar Republic's democratic structures.

Conclusion

While Trump could attempt to undermine democratic norms, the structure of the U.S. government, combined with his historical tendencies toward disorganization, makes it highly unlikely that he could replicate Hitler's rapid consolidation of power. However, the erosion of democratic norms over time is always a concern, and vigilance is key to preserving institutional integrity.

 

I'm not even going to attempt a response to all this aforementioned garbage but I will say this....all of your facts can be verified by factcheck.org.  Nuff said 

[Gobbler]

I can guarantee you, that A King wouldn't last 1 day.  They would have to manufacture them daily.

[cardinalblue]

Name a better multi cultural Democratic country than America? Democracy is always fragile but US economy has enough checks and balances in place to survive Trump/Musk the next 4 years....The biggest at risk will be foreign policy and American allies. Adversaries will gain ground 

[TedG]

On 1/12/2025 at 10:41 PM, SiSePuede419 said:

Democracy has failed the US.  It began to get captured by lobbyists in the late 70s.  Then in the 80s all the crazy people were set free from mental hospitals with no mental health monitoring or treatment. That's when you started seeing homeless people on the streets.

 

Deinstitutionalization
The civil rights and civil liberties movements of the 1960s led to the release of long-term psychiatric patients from state hospitals. Many of these patients ended up living on the streets without adequate support

[TedG]

18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time when they thought they could have friendly relations with the USA as partners. That would be nice for everybody, or not?

But then Americans voted for Busch, and Busch again. And then for Trump and Trump again.

There is not much hope for friendship with a county with such a leader.

Please kick the USA out of NATO, and remove all the US bases from Europe.  Please, please, Please. 

[Sorted2024]

I can't see the problem, the people got exactly what they voted for !

[TedG]

On 1/12/2025 at 10:41 PM, SiSePuede419 said:

 

Democracy failed us because it let our infrastructure degrade because all the money went to tax cuts for rich people.

 

 

 

FFS...this is total BullChips.  

[newbee2022]

"Democracy has failed the US,maybe it's time for a King"

 

Maybe time for Jesus to come back?😱

[The Old Bull]

The USA does not have democracy, sure everybody gets to vote but your vote means nothing when lobbyists backed by big money get to do an end run round the electorate. The problem is most lobbyists are politicians who have passed there "best before" date , they see the lobbying industry as a place to go if they get the boot, so they are loathe to go after ir.

[scorecard]

On 1/13/2025 at 10:47 AM, mdr224 said:

Hopefully its someone smart enough whose done well for themselves like Musk and not a loser like the posters on this forum.

Joke of the year. You need to do a lot more reading about musk. ie. his mental condition, autism, his claims of inventing many things that are actually invented by his staff / friends, and his human rights record, in regard to his own staff... 

[scorecard]

15 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

The USA does not have democracy, sure everybody gets to vote but your vote means nothing when lobbyists backed by big money get to do an end run round the electorate. The problem is most lobbyists are politicians who have passed there "best before" date , they see the lobbying industry as a place to go if they get the boot, so they are loathe to go after ir.

 

True, the USA is not a good example of democracy, the person who can raise the most funds likely wins.   And there's no institutional process to fact check what candidates say; bottom line candidates get away with hundreds of blatant lies. Not democracy.

 

On the other hand there are countries where there are strict limits on how much money / how that many is spent on campaigning, and the limits are not that big. And automatic analysis of their speeches and charges laid if lies discovered. Candidate cannot continue and cannot ever again be a candidate. 

[Wuvu2]

"....maybe it's time for a King".  It's more like it's time for a coup 🤪

[Ben Zioner]

On 1/13/2025 at 10:41 AM, SiSePuede419 said:

Then in the 80s all the crazy people were set free from mental hospitals with no mental health monitoring or treatment.

So you reckon "he" is one of them?

 

Elected by his peers.

[soalbundy]

On 1/13/2025 at 12:02 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Not really.

Lot of idiots voted for an idiot.

And when a majority do that, then this is democracy.

I think they deserve what they voted for.

 

The problem is we, the rest of the world. We don't want that idiot to "rule the world". 

 "America had often been discovered before Columbus, but it had always been hushed up." 

[Ben Zioner]

 

29 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Maybe time for Jesus to come back?😱

 

On 1/13/2025 at 10:41 AM, SiSePuede419 said:

 Then in the 80s all the crazy people were set free from mental hospitals with no mental health monitoring or treatment.

[save the frogs]

7 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

"....maybe it's time for a King".  It's more like it's time for a coup 🤪

who will take over? murderers?

 

and what experience do they have running a lemonade stand, let alone a country? 

 

[harryviking]

The problem with this "King" is that he admires the richest in the land! The more billionaires the less democracy. The whole system is rotten to the core! The "King" will not fix that, just turn it around a little to his and his friends gains.

[JonnyF]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:26 AM, Yagoda said:

The USA is a republic. Its going along just fine. Best in the world. Sucks to be you if you arent an American.

 

 

 

You were still bowing down to a ginger British Prince under Biden though...

 

Thankfully, Trump will sort that out and release his visa application. 

[spidermike007]

What a lot of Trump followers don't seem to acknowledge is that we did get a king. This man will pay total disregard to law and order, he will pay total disregard to any to any International agreements that the US has already engaged in, and will behave like a out of control renegade. Exactly as a very bad king would behave. 

[Millman]

Try reading.."King of the World" by Randall Coleman. It was published 7 years ago and has many good points to make

[Yagoda]

45 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You were still bowing down to a ginger British Prince under Biden though...

 

Thankfully, Trump will sort that out and release his visa application. 

Dont confuse the media with the people. Hes the object of pity, married to an overbearing social climbing neurotic narcissistic little mixed girl with an attitude that carries his balls in her Birkin he paid for. Issues issues issues. My bestest girlfriend/wife of all time was like her and I only mean best by way of her youth, hotness and sex drive. Mixed girls are hot, but usually a bit overbearing and confused about their own identity. Bet ya if Harry pisses off "The Queen", she begins to sound like Kamala Harris at a pimp convention.

 

Harry should have asked me first.

[Skeptic7]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:26 AM, Yagoda said:

The USA is a republic. Its going along just fine. Best in the world. Sucks to be you if you arent an American.

 

 

Wow I actually gave the above post from you a 👍 (that's mine)...and the first❗🤣

 

While I agree the USA is still mostly fine and will likely remain fine, as the economy is and has been the biggest and best for 130+ years and will remain so for a long time to come. It's the straw that stirs the world's economic drink as well as all other of the free world's cocktails. That's ALL good.

 

However here's the bad part. There's no doubt that both political parties are terribly broken and gone off the rails. It's hard to imagine...but both must first get back to some semblance of sanity...then work together in finding common ground and reaching across the aisle with viable bipartisan policies. Doubtful, but one can hope. 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Skeptic7 said:

Wow I actually gave the above post from you a 👍 (that's mine)...and the first❗🤣

 

While I agree the USA is still mostly fine and will likely remain fine, as the economy is and has been the biggest and best for 130+ years and will remain so for a long time to come. It's the straw that stirs the world's economic drink as well as all other of the free world's cocktails. That's ALL good.

 

However here's the bad part. There's no doubt that both political parties are terribly broken and gone off the rails. It's hard to imagine...but both must first get back to some semblance of sanity...then work together in finding common ground and reaching across the aisle with viable bipartisan policies. Doubtful, but one can hope. 

No dude, whats wrong with America is hate ridden symbols like your avatar.

 

You might be an atheist and Im sure an agnostic and both philosophies are wonderful, but there are millions of your fellow Americans who have those symbols around their necks, including the folks taking bullets for us on Wednesday and praying to Jesus on Sunday. So your clever and oh so trendy avatar is basically advertising how cool and sophisticated you are to reject the primitive superstitions of the lumpen, while pissing on your neighbors beliefs.

 

Yet you complain about the temperature in the crucible. Why dont you try lowering it, you think that your avatar is any different than standing in front of a house of worship and taking a dump?

[JonnyF]

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Dont confuse the media with the people. Hes the object of pity, married to an overbearing social climbing neurotic narcissistic little mixed girl with an attitude that carries his balls in her Birkin he paid for. Issues issues issues. My bestest girlfriend/wife of all time was like her and I only mean best by way of her youth, hotness and sex drive. Mixed girls are hot, but usually a bit overbearing and confused about their own identity. Bet ya if Harry pisses off "The Queen", she begins to sound like Kamala Harris at a pimp convention.

 

Harry should have asked me first.

 

Indeed.

 

He could have stayed in the Royal Family, had the pick of thousands of beautiful young peachy women and lived a life of luxury, adored by the British public.

 

Instead, he is stuck out in Montecito, angry, married to a divorced narcissist who looks like a 50 year old prune, and is mostly despised, pitied and ridiculed. 

 

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 

 

Now his BFF Biden the cap doffer is toast, hopefully Trump investigates his visa application, but he won't be welcome back in Britain.