Trump's Mass Deportation Plans Spark Controversy and Resistance Across the US

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

 

Actually, legal and illegal immigrants often live together and are relatives.

 

Who lives with unauthorized immigrants?

Unauthorized immigrants live in 6.3 million households that include more than 22 million people. These households represent 4.8% of the 130 million U.S. households.

Here are some facts about these households in 2022:

In 86% of these households, either the householder or their spouse is an unauthorized immigrant.

Almost 70% of these households are considered “mixed status,” meaning that they also contain lawful immigrants or U.S.-born residents.

In only about 5% of these households, the unauthorized immigrants are not related to the householder or spouse. In these cases, they are probably employees or roommates.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

So? 

[Cryingdick]

27 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So? 

So so suck my toe all the way to mexico. Amigo.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

So so suck my toe all the way to mexico. Amigo.

So snot, ten cents whole lot, I fry it you eat it!

[blaze master]

36 minutes ago, candide said:

 

Actually, legal and illegal immigrants often live together and are relatives.

 

Who lives with unauthorized immigrants?

Unauthorized immigrants live in 6.3 million households that include more than 22 million people. These households represent 4.8% of the 130 million U.S. households.

Here are some facts about these households in 2022:

In 86% of these households, either the householder or their spouse is an unauthorized immigrant.

Almost 70% of these households are considered “mixed status,” meaning that they also contain lawful immigrants or U.S.-born residents.

In only about 5% of these households, the unauthorized immigrants are not related to the householder or spouse. In these cases, they are probably employees or roommates.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

 

Should of thought of your mixed status household before committing a crime by illegally entering the US.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

It's going to be very interesting to watch this play out, but by all means trivialise the issue. 

It's not trivial that illegals were exploited by greedy business owners. Pay a proper wage and allow foreign workers in LEGALLY, and the work will get done.

[thaibeachlovers]

47 minutes ago, candide said:

 

Actually, legal and illegal immigrants often live together and are relatives.

 

Who lives with unauthorized immigrants?

Unauthorized immigrants live in 6.3 million households that include more than 22 million people. These households represent 4.8% of the 130 million U.S. households.

Here are some facts about these households in 2022:

In 86% of these households, either the householder or their spouse is an unauthorized immigrant.

Almost 70% of these households are considered “mixed status,” meaning that they also contain lawful immigrants or U.S.-born residents.

In only about 5% of these households, the unauthorized immigrants are not related to the householder or spouse. In these cases, they are probably employees or roommates.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

Are you saying it's OK to be a criminal as long as one has a legal family member?

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you saying it's OK to be a criminal as long as one has a legal family member?

 

 

Are the legal family members Democrats? 

[thaibeachlovers]

55 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

The point is that families will be deported, including citizens. That's Homan's solution to avoid family separations ... so inadvertently, but it will still happen. Citizen children and undocumented parents?

They should have thought of that before having kids.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

Sure, throw out 4% of the population and wages will rise everywhere ... but who will do the jobs that no one wants to do? And what is the implication of that for the US economy? Consequences ... consequences.

Can you tell us exactly what jobs Americans do not do? Because I could not find any industry or form of labour that is done only by illegal immigrants. Some sectors have more and some less, but Americans work at EVERY job in the country. 

 

The industries that rely the most on illegal immigrants are construction and agriculture, and in both cases less than 15% of the labour force is illegal.  Which means that 85% are citizens or legal residents. So please enough with that tired shibboleth. 

[Yagoda]

The only folks who object to the removal of ILLEGAL ALIENS from our country are the Socialists who seek to destroy our nation.

[AlexRich]

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Can you tell us exactly what jobs Americans do not do? Because I could not find any industry or form of labour that is done only by illegal immigrants. Some sectors have more and some less, but Americans work at EVERY job in the country. 

 

The industries that rely the most on illegal immigrants are construction and agriculture, and in both cases less than 15% of the labour force is illegal.  Which means that 85% are citizens or legal residents. So please enough with that tired shibboleth. 

 

I'll take your 15% and raise it ... to 44% ... 🤥

 

Immigration Status and Nationality

● The agricultural industry relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce. According to the NAWS,

approximately 68% of farmworkers are foreign-born, the overwhelming majority from Mexico.

● 36% of farmworkers surveyed by the NAWS were United States citizens, 19% were lawful permanent

residents and another 1% had other work authorization through another status (excluding H-2A visas).

● The NAWS found that approximately 44% of farmworkers are undocumented immigrants who lack work

authorization.

● The NAWS results on immigration status may be skewed, with lower undocumented percentages due to a

fear of self-reporting undocumented status. Other sources estimate that the proportion of undocumented

farmworkers may be much higher. Regardless, even under the NAWS estimates, more than one million

farmworkers are undocumented.

Ethnicity and Language

● 78% of all farmworkers identify as Latino/Hispanic. 10% of farmworkers self-identify as indigenous.

● Spanish is the most dominant (comfortable) language for 62% of all farmworkers. 32% of farmworkers

reported they could speak English well, while 29% of workers shared that they do not speak any English.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

I'll take your 15% and raise it ... to 44% ... 🤥

 

 

Immigration Status and Nationality

● The agricultural industry relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce. According to the NAWS,

approximately 68% of farmworkers are foreign-born, the overwhelming majority from Mexico.

● 36% of farmworkers surveyed by the NAWS were United States citizens, 19% were lawful permanent

residents and another 1% had other work authorization through another status (excluding H-2A visas).

● The NAWS found that approximately 44% of farmworkers are undocumented immigrants who lack work

authorization.

● The NAWS results on immigration status may be skewed, with lower undocumented percentages due to a

fear of self-reporting undocumented status. Other sources estimate that the proportion of undocumented

farmworkers may be much higher. Regardless, even under the NAWS estimates, more than one million

farmworkers are undocumented.

Ethnicity and Language

● 78% of all farmworkers identify as Latino/Hispanic. 10% of farmworkers self-identify as indigenous.

● Spanish is the most dominant (comfortable) language for 62% of all farmworkers. 32% of farmworkers

reported they could speak English well, while 29% of workers shared that they do not speak any English.

So what? 

 

What's the labor force participation rate, 60%? 

[impulse]

What I also want to see is them seeking reimbursement from all the sham "sponsors" who made money sponsoring people they never intended to support. 

 

Up to and including jail time.  Or it'll just happen again.  And again.

 

[Walker88]

I hope he deports that former softcore porn model who lied on her Einstein Visa application and then used chain migration to get her parents into the US.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

I'll take your 15% and raise it ... to 44% ... 🤥

 

 

Immigration Status and Nationality

● The agricultural industry relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce. According to the NAWS,

approximately 68% of farmworkers are foreign-born, the overwhelming majority from Mexico.

● 36% of farmworkers surveyed by the NAWS were United States citizens, 19% were lawful permanent

residents and another 1% had other work authorization through another status (excluding H-2A visas).

● The NAWS found that approximately 44% of farmworkers are undocumented immigrants who lack work

authorization.

● The NAWS results on immigration status may be skewed, with lower undocumented percentages due to a

fear of self-reporting undocumented status. Other sources estimate that the proportion of undocumented

farmworkers may be much higher. Regardless, even under the NAWS estimates, more than one million

farmworkers are undocumented.

Ethnicity and Language

● 78% of all farmworkers identify as Latino/Hispanic. 10% of farmworkers self-identify as indigenous.

● Spanish is the most dominant (comfortable) language for 62% of all farmworkers. 32% of farmworkers

reported they could speak English well, while 29% of workers shared that they do not speak any English.

OK, assuming your numbers are close to accurate, that means that in the Ag sector, more than half of workers are US citizens and legal residents. Again, this disproves your erroneous claim that there are jobs that "Americans won't do". 

 

My numbers came from this website;

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-u-s-industries-that-rely-most-on-illegal-immigration/

 

 

[proton]

Don't recall these crybaby traitors protesting when Obama deported millions of illegals, over 412k in 2012 alone, that must have been 'different' 

[impulse]

3 hours ago, candide said:

 

Actually, legal and illegal immigrants often live together and are relatives.

 

Who lives with unauthorized immigrants?

Unauthorized immigrants live in 6.3 million households that include more than 22 million people. These households represent 4.8% of the 130 million U.S. households.

Here are some facts about these households in 2022:

In 86% of these households, either the householder or their spouse is an unauthorized immigrant.

Almost 70% of these households are considered “mixed status,” meaning that they also contain lawful immigrants or U.S.-born residents.

In only about 5% of these households, the unauthorized immigrants are not related to the householder or spouse. In these cases, they are probably employees or roommates.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

 

By that same line of reasoning, should murderers and rapists be exonerated because their family would miss them?

 

[Neeranam]

Hopefully Thailand will start the same, deporting all those who bypass immigration requirements by bribing Immigration Officers , as well as jailing the agents who facilitate it. 

[spidermike007]

Sounds like he will be deporting many of the people that he and his cronies need to work in their factories and companies. Some of these people are honest, hardworking folks who are in the US legally. This will backfire on Trump and will likely be another one of his countless failed policies.

 

Speaking at a December event, Homan criticized Johnson and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker, stating, “Chicago is in trouble because your mayor sucks and your governor sucks.”  

 

Just another simple minded official wearing his power with dignity and grace. Trump sure knows how to pick trash from the bottom of the barrel. 

[mogandave]

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Sounds like he will be deporting many of the people that he and his cronies need to work in their factories and companies. Some of these people are honest, hardworking folks who are in the US legally. This will backfire on Trump and will likely be another one of his countless failed policies.

How is he going to deport people in the country legally, unless they have committed a crime?

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Speaking at a December event, Homan criticized Johnson and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker, stating, “Chicago is in trouble because your mayor sucks and your governor sucks.”  

 

Just another simple minded official wearing his power with dignity and grace. Trump sure knows how to pick trash from the bottom of the barrel. 

 

He talks plain and speaks the truth. 

 

Let the governor and mayor try to stop illegals from being deported and lock them up. 

[Hanaguma]

23 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Sounds like he will be deporting many of the people that he and his cronies need to work in their factories and companies. Some of these people are honest, hardworking folks who are in the US legally. This will backfire on Trump and will likely be another one of his countless failed policies.

 

Speaking at a December event, Homan criticized Johnson and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker, stating, “Chicago is in trouble because your mayor sucks and your governor sucks.”  

 

Just another simple minded official wearing his power with dignity and grace. Trump sure knows how to pick trash from the bottom of the barrel. 

No, it doesn't. 

 

The first to go are the ones with standing deportation orders. Then the criminals in jails. Then the recent arrivals. In the meantime the rest will have time to voluntarily go back to their home countries and apply for legal status.  

 

Families will not be deported if they are in the country legally. If the situation is one illegal member and the others legal, the legal ones will be given the option to return with the deportee. So the only way families will be broken up is if they choose to do so themselves. 

[Justanotherone]

it was deemed too expensive, months ago, on 60 min... 

[mogandave]

50 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

No, it doesn't. 

 

The first to go are the ones with standing deportation orders. Then the criminals in jails. Then the recent arrivals. In the meantime the rest will have time to voluntarily go back to their home countries and apply for legal status.  

 

Families will not be deported if they are in the country legally. If the situation is one illegal member and the others legal, the legal ones will be given the option to return with the deportee. So the only way families will be broken up is if they choose to do so themselves. 

wasn’t Homan an Obama appointee? 

 

 

[John Drake]

7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

Sure, throw out 4% of the population and wages will rise everywhere ... but who will do the jobs that no one wants to do? And what is the implication of that for the US economy? Consequences ... consequences.

 

American prosperity was built on the availability of cheap land and a demand for labor that resulted in high wages. Deporting illegals reduces the demand and prices for housing and makes laborers better off. Win-win. American citizens working as a cashier at McDonald's deserve to be able to own a home, afford transportation, buy groceries, pay for school, and have a family. Illegals destabilize the entire economic construct for family building. All so the Musks, Kochs, WGA, and Chambers of Commerce get rich.

[candide]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

By that same line of reasoning, should murderers and rapists be exonerated because their family would miss them?

 

Follow the discussion before making irrelevant comments.. 🙂

[candide]

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Can you tell us exactly what jobs Americans do not do? Because I could not find any industry or form of labour that is done only by illegal immigrants. Some sectors have more and some less, but Americans work at EVERY job in the country. 

 

The industries that rely the most on illegal immigrants are construction and agriculture, and in both cases less than 15% of the labour force is illegal.  Which means that 85% are citizens or legal residents. So please enough with that tired shibboleth. 

Which source (link)?

[candide]

I5 seems that MAGAs are eagerly waiting to replace illegal immigrants harvesting crops and doing other <deleted> jobs! 😆

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

I5 seems that MAGAs are eagerly waiting to replace illegal immigrants harvesting crops and doing other <deleted> jobs! 😆

Harvesting crops, what a hoot.

 

Only a few percent of illegal aliens work in agriculture. 

 

 

[digger70]

Trump's Mass Deportation Plans Spark Controversy and Resistance Across the US 

 

Now that's great news , And Who was saying that  DT didn't know what he was doing? He knows an doing Great.  😇

[John Drake]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

I5 seems that MAGAs are eagerly waiting to replace illegal immigrants harvesting crops and doing other <deleted> jobs! 😆

 

Automation can easily replace individual workers doing harvesting. Already, USAID has helped farmers in Central America with automation. It can be done in the US as well. For the present, however, it is cheaper to hire illegals and have the local taxpayers support them with educational and health services. Arrest, fine, and RICO those hiring illegals. Make them operate honestly. You'll see a turn towards more automation. What workers are needed can easily be supplied through H2A visa program.