4 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

When I was in the military we often caught free flights on military aircraft to go home on leave.  These were flights that pilots made to meet their proficiency requirements.

https://thegunzone.com/how-many-hours-do-military-pilots-fly/

Me as well.. Flew to the UE on a MAPS flight. Was not bad..

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Criminals are criminals, what you are posting is a red herring.

 

I am saying the people who pick your crops, clean your hotel rooms, and generally do the scut work Americans think is beneath them, are an asset to America. I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

 

The point I was making about egg prices vs. the DJT share price is Trump knows S#F#A about living costs, which is not a good starting point for someone claiming they will bring them down.

 

What would a purported billionaire know about such mundane items as eggs, milk, or a loaf of bread?

Why are you such a racist?  Greedily desiring a permanent underclass of brown people to do the "scut work"....  you really have such a low opinion of people?

 

Not to mention that the majority of people in America who pick crops and clean hotel rooms ARE either American citizens or legal residents. Please explain why it is necessary to exploit others to fill in the gaps, I would love to hear.  The tired shibboleth of "jobs Americans won't do" is nonsense.

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Why are you such a racist?  Greedily desiring a permanent underclass of brown people to do the "scut work"....  you really have such a low opinion of people?

 

Not to mention that the majority of people in America who pick crops and clean hotel rooms ARE either American citizens or legal residents. Please explain why it is necessary to exploit others to fill in the gaps, I would love to hear.  The tired shibboleth of "jobs Americans won't do" is nonsense.

Jobs leftists won't do. They are all terrified they'll have to clean their own toilet. 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

So when your fruit and vegetable prices go through the roof, what excuse will you pick then?

 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

So when your fruit and vegetable prices go through the roof, what excuse will you pick then?

Same as with eggs, the laws of supply and demand.

26 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So just ignore double standards because it is in the past.

So only present day things are to be talked about here?

I don't know -- ask JDV.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Criminals are criminals, what you are posting is a red herring.

 

I am saying the people who pick your crops, clean your hotel rooms, and generally do the scut work Americans think is beneath them, are an asset to America. I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

 

The point I was making about egg prices vs. the DJT share price is Trump knows S#F#A about living costs, which is not a good starting point for someone claiming they will bring them down.

 

What would a purported billionaire know about such mundane items as eggs, milk, or a loaf of bread?and

Red herring because you don't like my analogy. 

I've been in construction for most of my life, starting as a carpenter apprentice, then journeyman, to foreman, to superintendent and as a general contractor.  I never asked my workers to do a job I wouldn't do. 

As a superintendent I asked one carpenter to assist the block mason by mixing his "mud."

He told me he doesn't do that kind of work because it was undignified.  Guess what?  I sent him home and I mixed the mud. 

One day,after I retired, my son who was working as a carpenter apprentice complained that his boss was always giving him the "dirty" jobs.  I told him someday when you're a boss you will appreciate and understand that someone has to do the dirty work. 

So it's a false premise that illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Why are you such a racist?  Greedily desiring a permanent underclass of brown people to do the "scut work"....  you really have such a low opinion of people?

 

Not to mention that the majority of people in America who pick crops and clean hotel rooms ARE either American citizens or legal residents. Please explain why it is necessary to exploit others to fill in the gaps, I would love to hear.  The tired shibboleth of "jobs Americans won't do" is nonsense.

Attacking me as a racist is classic ad hominem,  I have worked with Japanese, Thais, Indonesians, Malaysians, Arabs - you name it.. I have a Thai GF.

 

I have done scut work myself, you try marking lambs in 40 C heat. I don't greedily desire anything, that's just your lying way of twisting the facts I post.

 

Fact: In 2020 to 2022, 32% of crop farm workers were US born. 26% were either immigrants who had obtained citizenship, or were authorized immigrants.  42% had no authorization.

 

You're on ignore now, as a dishonest SOS. Bye bye, and good riddance.

 

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Red herring because you don't like my analogy. 

I've been in construction for most of my life, starting as a carpenter apprentice, then journeyman, to foreman, to superintendent and as a general contractor.  I never asked my workers to do a job I wouldn't do. 

As a superintendent I asked one carpenter to assist the block mason by mixing his "mud."

He told me he doesn't do that kind of work because it was undignified.  Guess what?  I sent him home and I mixed the mud. 

One day,after I retired, my son who was working as a carpenter apprentice complained that his boss was always giving him the "dirty" jobs.  I told him someday when you're a boss you will appreciate and understand that someone has to do the dirty work. 

So it's a false premise that illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do.

Red Herring:  A piece of information that is, or is intended to be, misleading or distracting.

 

I often wonder why posters take a statistical sample of one or two people as representing an entire population, as proof of their assertions. Is it because they have no understanding or training in statistics, or are they being deliberately dense?

Just now, Lacessit said:

Red Herring:  A piece of information that is, or is intended to be, misleading or distracting.

 

I often wonder why posters take a statistical sample of one or two people as representing an entire population, as proof of their assertions. Is it because they have no understanding or training in statistics, or are they being deliberately dense?

Why do you do it? 

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

 

Same as with eggs, the laws of supply and demand.

Evasion of the question, when you damn well know the answer.

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Evasion of the question, when you damn well know the answer.

It was answered perfectly. That you do not understand the answer is not surprising. 

 

 

Promise made, promise broken! 😆

 

 

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Promise made, promise broken! 😆

 

 

Poor lefty

 

44 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Evasion of the question, when you damn well know the answer.

  Because you didn't get the answer you wanted it's considered evasion? You're a joke and not a funny one at that. Even a fifth grader would understand what you obviously don't.

Removed three posts for fair use violations.

 

54 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Red Herring:  A piece of information that is, or is intended to be, misleading or distracting.

 

I often wonder why posters take a statistical sample of one or two people as representing an entire population, as proof of their assertions. Is it because they have no understanding or training in statistics, or are they being deliberately dense?

Sorry if you were misled or distracted.  I thought you were better than that. 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Attacking me as a racist is classic ad hominem,  I have worked with Japanese, Thais, Indonesians, Malaysians, Arabs - you name it.. I have a Thai GF.

 

I have done scut work myself, you try marking lambs in 40 C heat. I don't greedily desire anything, that's just your lying way of twisting the facts I post.

 

Fact: In 2020 to 2022, 32% of crop farm workers were US born. 26% were either immigrants who had obtained citizenship, or were authorized immigrants.  42% had no authorization.

 

You're on ignore now, as a dishonest SOS. Bye bye, and good riddance.

 

So in other words, I was right. The majority of "crop farm workers" are in fact legal residents and citizens. Thank you for proving my point.

 

I notice you did not mention other jobs though, since they are similarly majority legal/citizen filled.  In hospitality, "immigrants" make up 22% of the workforce. Of course, this is not broken down between legal and illegal.

 

Very happy you have seen the world and have a Thai GF. Congratulations. And the fact that you have done "scut work" belies your assertion that regular Americans would not do so.  

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Poor lefty

 

Poor MAGA who doesn't know the difference between a promotion discount by a particular retailler and a price decrease on the whole market. 

 

(BTW, it seems to be a scam as the discounted price is higher than the average market price )

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Red Herring:  A piece of information that is, or is intended to be, misleading or distracting.

 

I often wonder why posters take a statistical sample of one or two people as representing an entire population, as proof of their assertions. Is it because they have no understanding or training in statistics,  or are they being deliberately dense?

Illegals often work for substandard wages.  If there were no illegals available, then wages would rise until they became acceptable for Americans to take the "jobs no American wants."  Didn't you say criminal is criminal.  To say lower prices justifies allowing illegals to remain is criminal.  That is exactly what my original example was about, but you called it a red herring. 

Getting back to basic economics, jobs that are highly risky, like crab harvesting in Alaskan waters, demand very high pay.  People are only willing to take this dangerous work if the pay higher than a much safer job.

 

18 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Illegals often work for substandard wages.  If there were no illegals available, then wages would rise until they became acceptable for Americans to take the "jobs no American wants."  Didn't you say criminal is criminal.  To say lower prices justifies allowing illegals to remain is criminal.  That is exactly what my original example was about, but you called it a red herring. 

Getting back to basic economics, jobs that are highly risky, like crab harvesting in Alaskan waters, demand very high pay.  People are only willing to take this dangerous work if the pay higher than a much safer job.

 

I have explained to you if you get rid of the illegals, and pay award wages, the cost of all crops on the supermarket shelves will rise. What part of that don't you understand?

 

If you want to insert red herrings by making moral judgments, fine. It doesn't change the fact deporting illegals, which make up 42% of farm workers, will have the opposite effect to the promise Trump made, which was to bring living costs down.

 

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have explained to you if you get rid of the illegals, and pay award wages, the cost of all crops on the supermarket shelves will rise. What part of that don't you understand?

 

If you want to insert red herrings by making moral judgments, fine. It doesn't change the fact deporting illegals, which make up 42% of farm workers, will have the opposite effect to the promise Trump made, which was to bring living costs down.

 

Are you claiming that upholding the law is a moral judgement?

No where in my posts have I denied that prices will rise if illegals are deported.  However, I have said that is not justification for not deporting them. 

13 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Are you claiming that upholding the law is a moral judgement?

No where in my posts have I denied that prices will rise if illegals are deported.  However, I have said that is not justification for not deporting them. 

So, since you acknowledge that deporting undocumented immigrants could lead to rising prices, doesn’t that create a dichotomy with Trump’s position on lowering food prices?
 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I have explained to you if you get rid of the illegals, and pay award wages, the cost of all crops on the supermarket shelves will rise. What part of that don't you understand?

 

If you want to insert red herrings by making moral judgments, fine. It doesn't change the fact deporting illegals, which make up 42% of farm workers, will have the opposite effect to the promise Trump made, which was to bring living costs down.

 

What percentage of the cost of produce on market shelves do you think direct  labor represents? 

 

One could always eliminate income corporate taxes, that would reduce prices.

6 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

So, since you acknowledge that deporting undocumented immigrants could lead to rising prices, doesn’t that create a dichotomy with Trump’s position on lowering food prices?
 

Yes, “deporting undocumented immigrants could lead to rising prices,” if it’s done in a vacuum. Reducing energy costs will offset any cost increase due to labor.

 

What do you have against wages for the working poor being driven up?

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Are you claiming that upholding the law is a moral judgement?

No where in my posts have I denied that prices will rise if illegals are deported.  However, I have said that is not justification for not deporting them. 

Go ahead, shoot your feet off in the name of ideology. It's not the first time it has happened.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Go ahead, shoot your feet off in the name of ideology. It's not the first time it has happened.

Don't want to answer the question, just say so.  No need to to deflect with ridiculous excuses. 

It is interesting that the left does not give a whit about energy prices, taxes and regulations driving up prices, but when the working poor stand to make a bit more money it’s the end of the world. 

 

And who always wants to raise minimum wages which mostly benefits union and government workers? No concern about prices when their buying votes. 

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

So, since you acknowledge that deporting undocumented immigrants could lead to rising prices, doesn’t that create a dichotomy with Trump’s position on lowering food prices?
 

Show me where I defended Trump's position on lowering food prices.  You can't because I didn't.

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

Don't want to answer the question, just say so.  No need to to deflect with ridiculous excuses. 

It's you that doesn't want to answer the question.

 

The topic is "Promises made, promises kept". You steadfastly refuse to acknowledge deporting illegal immigrant farm labor will result in higher costs of farm produce. Constant obfuscation.

 

Trump can't have it both ways. He can't fulfil his promise of deporting immigrants without produce prices being raised as a result.

 

So what do you want, immigrants deported or reduced prices? Most people seem to vote with their hip pockets.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

It's you that doesn't want to answer the question.

 

The topic is "Promises made, promises kept". You steadfastly refuse to acknowledge deporting illegal immigrant farm labor will result in higher costs of farm produce. Constant obfuscation.

 

Trump can't have it both ways. He can't fulfil his promise of deporting immigrants without produce prices being raised as a result.

 

So what do you want, immigrants deported or reduced prices? Most people seem to vote with their hip pockets.

Will lowering energy prices reduce produce prices?