Gender recognition bill considered for identity self-determination

[snoop1130]

LGBTQ+ couple cries while waiting to sign their marriage certificates as the Marriage Equality Act takes effect |Photo via AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit

 

By Ryan Turner

 

The recently implemented Marriage Equality Bill is a significant step towards equal marriage rights for all, but many who registered their marriages last week are concerned that their gender title does not align with their gender identity, and are now advocating for a Gender Recognition Bill.

 

The bill, if passed, would allow individuals to select their gender title and offer a gender-neutral option for those who do not identify as strictly male or female.

 

Atitaya Asa, a coordinator for a working group under the Transmasculine Network for Equality, highlighted the issues faced by transmen who are still addressed as ‘Miss’ in official documents, despite transitioning to the male gender.

 

This misalignment causes various complications, particularly when travelling abroad, as immigration officers may question the accuracy of travel documents. Similar issues arise in banks and hospitals, where transmen are often grouped into female wards due to their gender title.

 

The Gender Recognition Bill seeks to provide transmen with the right to self-determine their gender identity. Intersex individuals also face challenges, as explained by Nada Chaiyajit, a law lecturer from Mae Fah Luang University who identifies as trans-intersex.

 

Intersex people are often subjected to irreversible surgeries to conform to binary gender norms, leading to mismatches between their gender identity and physical attributes. There is a call for an ‘X’ title for those who do not wish to be identified as Mr or Ms, to offer more freedom in expressing their gender identity.

 

 

Stigma lingers

 

In Thailand, the stigma surrounding intersex identities persists, with many attributing it to past life actions. Many are calling for more education on intersex identities and the diverse nature of sexual orientation. The UN Human Rights Council adopted a resolution to combat discrimination against intersex individuals, which Thailand is encouraged to follow.

 

Four versions of the Gender Recognition Bill have been proposed, each allowing individuals to select their gender identity and title without needing medical certification. Some require court approval for subsequent changes.

 

Somsri Jongpensukloet of the Social Development and Human Security Ministry supports self-determination, emphasising universal human rights. The bill has passed a public hearing but awaits Cabinet approval.

 

Sutthichai Ngamchuensuwan, Dean of the Law Faculty at Prince of Songkla University, noted that self-determination is foundational in many countries’ laws, though it may raise issues such as age and the impact on other legal areas.

 

Thai law, rooted in a binary gender system, must consider these implications as it allows for changes in gender identification, reported Bangkok Post.

 

Source: The Thaiger

-- 2025-01-27

 

 

[sidneybear]

Gender benders are such a tiny minority, amounting to a small fraction of one percent. Why do they get so much airtime?

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

Gender benders are such a tiny minority, amounting to a small fraction of one percent. Why do they get so much airtime?

Because the right wing is targeting them as scapegoats for other issues.

[sidneybear]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Because the right wing is targeting them as scapegoats for other issues.

No. More and more people are focussing on reality, and are tired of having warped gender fantasy politics shoved down their throats by a tiny minority.

[Jingthing]

29 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

No. More and more people are focussing on reality, and are tired of having warped gender fantasy politics shoved down their throats by a tiny minority.

Simply keep your mouth firmly shut to repel any unwanted shoving.

[Srikcir]

Physical sex identification can be complex sex and why it’s hard to reduce it into a neat binary male vs female. Example:

"After his executive order on sex, is Trump legally the first female president?", by Arwa Mahdawi Jan 25,  2025

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/

 

Trump signed kicked an executive order stating that sex starts at the moment of conception – at which point, MAGA science decrees that you are either female or male. Trump’s executive order seems to tie sex to just gamete size at conception. This is less science than it is political.

MAGA’s  the idea that life begins at conception and that embryos and fetuses deserve full legal rights and protections - "fetal personhood."

[sidneybear]

31 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Simply keep your mouth firmly shut to repel any unwanted shoving.

You've got to be kidding. We all have to put up with this "pride" fallacy for a whole month, with perverts in gimp suits waving rainbow flags and coming on to children. It's all heading for the dustbin of history, at last.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

You've got to be kidding. We all have to put up with this "pride" fallacy for a whole month, with perverts in gimp suits waving rainbow flags and coming on to children. It's all heading for the dustbin of history, at last.

Lies.

[scottiejohn]

In simple terms Thai people who transition from one sex to other still have all their official documents (ID Cards, DL, Passports etc) showing their sex at birth!

They are just asking that their documents reflect their current sex status.

 

I am assuming that this will only be applicable to those who have undergone a full medical transition and not for those who just "declare" a transition!

 

A member of the wife's family suffers from this as she looks and acts like a female (after the full male to female operations) but her ID card etc show her as Mister and it cannot be changed!

She has had problems with this when travelling.

[BritManToo]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The recently implemented Marriage Equality Bill is a significant step towards equal marriage rights for all, but many who registered their marriages last week are concerned that their gender title does not align with their gender identity, and are now advocating for a Gender Recognition Bill.

This is a good reason to not give them an inch ........ they always want more.

And if I'm out on a date, I want to have advance warning of the equipment they're potentially bringing to the party.

[Denim]

5 hours ago, sidneybear said:

Gender benders are such a tiny minority, amounting to a small fraction of one percent. Why do they get so much airtime?

 

Squeaky wheels get the grease plus the media like them for indignation they stir up.

[redwood1]

I identify as a very sexy 21 year old Thai female GoGo dancer....

 

But the GoGos will not give me a job

 

Because they keep telling me I am a 65 year old retired farang male expat..

 

We need a new law to FORCE the GoGos to acknowledge and give me a job as a very sexy 21 year old Thai female GoGo dancer....

 

The discrimination must stop....

[sidneybear]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Physical sex identification can be complex sex and why it’s hard to reduce it into a neat binary male vs female. Example:

"After his executive order on sex, is Trump legally the first female president?", by Arwa Mahdawi Jan 25,  2025

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/

 

Trump signed kicked an executive order stating that sex starts at the moment of conception – at which point, MAGA science decrees that you are either female or male. Trump’s executive order seems to tie sex to just gamete size at conception. This is less science than it is political.

MAGA’s  the idea that life begins at conception and that embryos and fetuses deserve full legal rights and protections - "fetal personhood."

Yep. If it's born with a todger, it's a boy. End of discussion and common sense won the day.

[soalbundy]

Doesn't the Thai government have to talk with Trump first?

[PomPolo]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The UN Human Rights Council adopted a resolution to combat discrimination against intersex individuals

I am glad the millions that the UK pay to the UNHRC are going to good use! The US are doing it right getting out of the pointless group, the millions are probably just being spent sending UN representatives on jollies around the world.

[PomPolo]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Doesn't the Thai government have to talk with Trump first?

I think Musk has already cleared it

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Simply keep your mouth firmly shut to repel any unwanted shoving.

Yes they should, we don't need to know about their mental disorders nor should we be compelled to take part in their fantasy games.

[Hamus Yaigh]

2 hours ago, sidneybear said:

We all have to put up with this "pride" fallacy for a whole month, with perverts in gimp suits waving rainbow flags and coming on to children. It's all heading for the dustbin of history, at last.

You are clearly misinformed with a poor understanding of people and their communities, leading to harmful generalizations.  Bigoted comes to mind with the use of derogatory language and negative stereotypes suggests you harbor hateful beliefs about LGBTQ+ individuals. Why not keep your misinformed ideas back at home in Trumpland where they belong, there's a whole other world out there besides yours.

[Celsius]

Thailand 

2 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

You are clearly misinformed with a poor understanding of people and their communities, leading to harmful generalizations.  Bigoted comes to mind with the use of derogatory language and negative stereotypes suggests you harbor hateful beliefs about LGBTQ+ individuals. Why not keep your misinformed ideas back at home in Trumpland where they belong, there's a whole other world out there besides yours.

 

USA is great again. The whole other world sucks ballz

[Yagoda]

4 hours ago, sidneybear said:

No. More and more people are focussing on reality, and are tired of having warped gender fantasy politics shoved down their throats by a tiny minority.

Actually, people now realize how the Socialists in the west have used the poor, deluded, mentally ill homosexuals and transgender sufferers as a weapon against  so called bourgeoise judeo christian morality and so they now oppose their perverted agenda.

[Yagoda]

19 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

You are clearly misinformed with a poor understanding of people and their communities, leading to harmful generalizations.  Bigoted comes to mind with the use of derogatory language and negative stereotypes suggests you harbor hateful beliefs about LGBTQ+ individuals. Why not keep your misinformed ideas back at home in Trumpland where they belong, there's a whole other world out there besides yours.

Negative stereotypes? 'We are here, we are queer, we are coming for your children" is the battle cry of their perverted, hate ridden movement.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, redwood1 said:

I identify as a very sexy 21 year old Thai female GoGo dancer....

 

But the GoGos will not give me a job

 

Because they keep telling me I am a 65 year old retired farang male expat..

 

We need a new law to FORCE the GoGos to acknowledge and give me a job as a very sexy 21 year old Thai female GoGo dancer....

 

The discrimination must stop....

Ive been growing my man boobs with a careful diet of PopTarts and Burger King in the hope to follow your lead. I want to go to Crazy House though since I jiggle better in the nude.

 

IM gonna name myslef Poon too and get fake braces.

[blaze master]

59 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Doesn't the Thai government have to talk with Trump first?

 

I identify as someone with a debilitating  syndrome.

[Celsius]

I identify as someone who wants to identify 

[digger70]

Gender recognition bill considered for identity self-determination

 

No self-determination.

Only 2 biological Genders That Will Never Change .

If they want something Let them have the full Transition surgery .

And That Should be on there ID /Passport :   Full Sex Transition  Surgery Performed.

[Justanotherone]

those people feel so bad into their mind and body, they need a sex surgery to affirm it... still not happy as suicide rates are more than non mental confused people

[sidneybear]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Negative stereotypes? 'We are here, we are queer, we are coming for your children" is the battle cry of their perverted, hate ridden movement.

These monsters are a nihilistic castration cult that must be stopped. Finally, people in authority are seeing the atrocities these people perpetrate against children for what they are, and are taking steps to prevent more horrors. 

[Ralf001]

Isn't their gender on their ID cards ?

 

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

These monsters are a nihilistic castration cult that must be stopped. Finally, people in authority are seeing the atrocities these people perpetrate against children for what they are, and are taking steps to prevent more horrors. 

Castratos are so Middle Ages.

[Purdey]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Physical sex identification can be complex sex and why it’s hard to reduce it into a neat binary male vs female. Example:

"After his executive order on sex, is Trump legally the first female president?", by Arwa Mahdawi Jan 25,  2025

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/

 

Trump signed kicked an executive order stating that sex starts at the moment of conception – at which point, MAGA science decrees that you are either female or male. Trump’s executive order seems to tie sex to just gamete size at conception. This is less science than it is political.

MAGA’s  the idea that life begins at conception and that embryos and fetuses deserve full legal rights and protections - "fetal personhood."

All people are female at conception.