In Sevastopol, a mass evacuation of the families of senior officers of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is being reported. They are urgently leaving the Crimean Peninsula, according to the Telegram channel of the partisan movement ATESH. Agents of the resistance movement have revealed that almost all families of senior officers of the Russian Black Sea Fleet have urgently left the occupied Crimea.

"Currently, panic is observed in the units of the Russian Black Sea Fleet – according to our information, in early April, a directive from 'superiors' was issued regarding the implementation of additional security measures at military sites on the peninsula," reports the ATESH movement. It is also noted that covert patrols by reservists from BARS in civilian clothes are being conducted in the bays of Sevastopol, and there is an increase in security as well as attempts to hide military equipment.

"Additionally, all leave for the Russian army has been canceled," the partisans emphasize.

Representatives of the movement suggest that the Russian forces may have started implementing Ukraine's directive regarding the termination of the agreement on the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol.

Also, in mid-March, ATESH reported that Russia is hiding ships in the bays of Sevastopol, fearing strikes from the Ukrainian Defence Forces.

Russian officers' families flee en masse from occupied Crimea - ATESH

in the mean time China is denying any involvement supplying Russia with any lethal weapons  555 and sure we all will believe that. Was anybody expecting China jumping around claiming YES, YES and YES WE DID IT  !!! never ever a Chinese will accept any accusation, never, they will always divert it to someone else or to something else, that's Chinese way and I know what I am talking about, been there long enough to know how their "saving face" works

 

China denies supplying arms to Russia amid Zelenskyy's claims

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/asia/pakistan/china-denies-supplying-arms-to-russia-amid-zelenskyy-s-claims/ar-AA1Db60J?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=2ac72eed86854b0593e8559156baa4f9&ei=51

6 hours ago, Mavideol said:

in the mean time China is denying any involvement supplying Russia with any lethal weapons  555 and sure we all will believe that. Was anybody expecting China jumping around claiming YES, YES and YES WE DID IT  !!! never ever a Chinese will accept any accusation, never, they will always divert it to someone else or to something else, that's Chinese way and I know what I am talking about, been there long enough to know how their "saving face" works

 

China denies supplying arms to Russia amid Zelenskyy's claims

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/asia/pakistan/china-denies-supplying-arms-to-russia-amid-zelenskyy-s-claims/ar-AA1Db60J?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=2ac72eed86854b0593e8559156baa4f9&ei=51

 

If they are, I suspect its for testing purposes, and in relatively small quantities. DPRK and iran aren't able to cover up deliveries; shipping and rail records ensure that. Large sclae transfer of Chinese weapons systems, which are now increasinglydifferent to the Soviet era would certainly require the movement of Russian military personnel into China for training. We know that, because that's exactly what Ukraine had to do in the West. Even equipment which is nominally of Soviet design.

 

So far what Zelensky has said is that China has been providing engineers to Russian factories and possibly gunpowder. That's not quite the same as providing weapins systems. Its more about improving production yields. There is talk about Chinese company making weapons in Russia; that's somewhat curious. Is it Chinese companies making Chinese weapons in Russia, or a Chinese company has taken over a Russian company and is doing busonss

 

Bild first came out in 2023 with claims about Chinese weapons on the battlefield, but they have been quiet about it since. There is evidence that China is analysing the battle space, and no doubt learning a lot about about. There might be some Chinese materiel invlvement, but nothng that is making any strategic difference.

 

The fact that evidence hasn't yet been release; its been promised for next week, makes me think its not convincing or is ambiguous (ie. is Ukraine certain that Chinese munitions have come directly from China, rather than Russia obtaining the same munitions via a third party who just happens to buy from China. Iran is a major customer of China, for instance.

 

Chinese arms exports footprint:

 

 

 

 

85% of Chinese Arms exports are to APAC, and 60% of that is to Pakistan.

 

Possibly Myanmar is a source. Myanmar has been supplying Russia with mortar rounds

 

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-received-ammunition-manufactured-by-myanmar/

 

 

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/russia-reimports-arms-parts-from-myanmar-and-india-aiming-at-improving-weapons-for-use-in-ukraine-customs-data-analysis-shows/

 

There is mutual benefit; Myanmar needs new ground attack aircraft in its civil war, and frankly, the RuAF has been pretty absent over Ukraine, so they have spares, maybe even spare pilots.

 

Ukraine might present evidence of exploded munitions, analysing for parts of Chinese origin. From this, you can estimate, fairly accurately how much is entering Russian stockpiles.

 

If it is the case (China is now a supplier), its further evidence, whatever happens, Putin's Russia is finished, and Russia is now a vassal of China. And China wants China back.

 

14 hours ago, Mavideol said:

, that's Chinese way and I know what I am talking about, been there long enough to know how their "saving face" works

 

What I know is that you’re the top poster in this thread and seem to be obsessed with this topic. Maybe get out a bit more? Lol.

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

What I know is that you’re the top poster in this thread and seem to be obsessed with this topic. Maybe get out a bit more? Lol.

if you don't like it why do you read them

22 hours ago, Mavideol said:

in the mean time China is denying any involvement supplying Russia with any lethal weapons  555 and sure we all will believe that. Was anybody expecting China jumping around claiming YES, YES and YES WE DID IT  !!! never ever a Chinese will accept any accusation, never, they will always divert it to someone else or to something else, that's Chinese way and I know what I am talking about, been there long enough to know how their "saving face" works

 

China denies supplying arms to Russia amid Zelenskyy's claims

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/asia/pakistan/china-denies-supplying-arms-to-russia-amid-zelenskyy-s-claims/ar-AA1Db60J?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=2ac72eed86854b0593e8559156baa4f9&ei=51

Russia always welcomed tourists from China Iran and North Korea. Sometimes it happens that armed tourists get lost. And then they are unexpectedly found in the SMO zone.

15 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

If they are, I suspect its for testing purposes, and in relatively small quantities. DPRK and iran aren't able to cover up deliveries; shipping and rail records ensure that. Large sclae transfer of Chinese weapons systems, which are now increasinglydifferent to the Soviet era would certainly require the movement of Russian military personnel into China for training. We know that, because that's exactly what Ukraine had to do in the West. Even equipment which is nominally of Soviet design.

 

So far what Zelensky has said is that China has been providing engineers to Russian factories and possibly gunpowder. That's not quite the same as providing weapins systems. Its more about improving production yields. There is talk about Chinese company making weapons in Russia; that's somewhat curious. Is it Chinese companies making Chinese weapons in Russia, or a Chinese company has taken over a Russian company and is doing busonss

 

Bild first came out in 2023 with claims about Chinese weapons on the battlefield, but they have been quiet about it since. There is evidence that China is analysing the battle space, and no doubt learning a lot about about. There might be some Chinese materiel invlvement, but nothng that is making any strategic difference.

 

The fact that evidence hasn't yet been release; its been promised for next week, makes me think its not convincing or is ambiguous (ie. is Ukraine certain that Chinese munitions have come directly from China, rather than Russia obtaining the same munitions via a third party who just happens to buy from China. Iran is a major customer of China, for instance.

 

Chinese arms exports footprint:

 

 

 

 

85% of Chinese Arms exports are to APAC, and 60% of that is to Pakistan.

 

Possibly Myanmar is a source. Myanmar has been supplying Russia with mortar rounds

 

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-received-ammunition-manufactured-by-myanmar/

 

 

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/russia-reimports-arms-parts-from-myanmar-and-india-aiming-at-improving-weapons-for-use-in-ukraine-customs-data-analysis-shows/

 

There is mutual benefit; Myanmar needs new ground attack aircraft in its civil war, and frankly, the RuAF has been pretty absent over Ukraine, so they have spares, maybe even spare pilots.

 

Ukraine might present evidence of exploded munitions, analysing for parts of Chinese origin. From this, you can estimate, fairly accurately how much is entering Russian stockpiles.

 

If it is the case (China is now a supplier), its further evidence, whatever happens, Putin's Russia is finished, and Russia is now a vassal of China. And China wants China back.

 

Why does China behave so bravely? Because China knows that if America starts a war with them, America will lose in Ukraine.

1 hour ago, zmisha said:

Why does China behave so bravely? Because China knows that if America starts a war with them, America will lose in Ukraine.

Trump isn't even on Ukraine's side.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump isn't even on Ukraine's side.

Trump appeared on the political scene in September last year. Until then, everyone was sure that Harris would win. She was supported by all the media representatives. Then suddenly all these people refused to support her and, unexpectedly for everyone, Trump won. What happened in September? And in September, Vladimir Putin made changes to the nuclear doctrine and made the United States responsible for Ukraine's actions against Russia. Therefore, the number 1 task for the United States was to remove America from under the nuclear threat of Russia (not to be confused with a nuclear strike, which is impossible). To do this, Trump staged this amazing show about how the United States allegedly no longer supports Ukraine. As a result, Trump accomplished the main task - he protected the United States from the threat of Russian nuclear weapons. At the same time, all aid to Ukraine did not decrease by a cent - it's just that now the European vassals of the United States are formally responsible for all this.

8 minutes ago, zmisha said:

Trump appeared on the political scene in September last year. Until then, everyone was sure that Harris would win. She was supported by all the media representatives. Then suddenly all these people refused to support her and, unexpectedly for everyone, Trump won. What happened in September? And in September, Vladimir Putin made changes to the nuclear doctrine and made the United States responsible for Ukraine's actions against Russia. Therefore, the number 1 task for the United States was to remove America from under the nuclear threat of Russia (not to be confused with a nuclear strike, which is impossible). To do this, Trump staged this amazing show about how the United States allegedly no longer supports Ukraine. As a result, Trump accomplished the main task - he protected the United States from the threat of Russian nuclear weapons. At the same time, all aid to Ukraine did not decrease by a cent - it's just that now the European vassals of the United States are formally responsible for all this.

Don't quit your day job for a career in Putin fan fiction. I don't believe that even you actually believe that tripe.

but the latest news do confirm Russia using Tik Tok to recruit "tourists" from China offering good salaries ...

 

Recruitment videos in Mandarin promise high pay and heroism, as Moscow's desperate need for manpower fuels a global marketplace of fighters

Chinese fighters in Ukraine and the global pipeline feeding Russia’s war machine

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/chinese-fighters-in-ukraine-and-the-global-pipeline-feeding-russia-s-war-machine/ar-AA1DfiaJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a26ce7440e14488ba8e716935875f36e&ei=28

am very surprised that Zelensky knowing the Russians and Putin in particular as he does he believed a word out of the devils mouth about a 30 hour truce during Easter period, not a slightest chance Putin will respect that or anything similar, he was claiming the 30 hour truce just to show Trump that he does has some leftover humanity , which is not the case

Zelenskyy says Russian offensive continues despite Easter ceasefire declaration

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/zelenskyy-says-russian-offensive-continues-despite-easter-ceasefire-declaration/ar-AA1DeYIN?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a26ce7440e14488ba8e716935875f36e&ei=35

4 hours ago, zmisha said:

Russia always welcomed tourists from China Iran and North Korea. Sometimes it happens that armed tourists get lost. And then they are unexpectedly found in the SMO zone.

 

... and both Putin and Lavrov stated that Russia will not invade Ukraine the day before they invaded. 

 

Maybe not trust Z-rulers too much.

4 hours ago, zmisha said:

Why does China behave so bravely? Because China knows that if America starts a war with them, America will lose in Ukraine.

 

America can not start a war with China by China invading Taiwan, not possible.

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

am very surprised that Zelensky knowing the Russians and Putin in particular as he does he believed a word out of the devils mouth about a 30 hour truce during Easter period, not a slightest chance Putin will respect that or anything similar, he was claiming the 30 hour truce just to show Trump that he does has some leftover humanity , which is not the case

Zelenskyy says Russian offensive continues despite Easter ceasefire declaration

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/zelenskyy-says-russian-offensive-continues-despite-easter-ceasefire-declaration/ar-AA1DeYIN?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a26ce7440e14488ba8e716935875f36e&ei=35

I think he didn't believe a word.

1 hour ago, rabas said:

 

... and both Putin and Lavrov stated that Russia will not invade Ukraine the day before they invaded. 

 

Maybe not trust Z-rulers too much.

I don't see any contradictions here. In Putin's understanding, this is not a war or an invasion, but a special military operation (to restore order in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic).

Ukraine declared independence. Does this mean that it left the USSR? Let's think about it. If France or Italy declare their independence, does this mean that they are leaving NATO? Obviously not. Similarly, Ukraine has never declared its withdrawal from the USSR, and Russia, which is in the UN as the renamed USSR, knows this very well.

But Putin and Lavrov are in no hurry to declare this because, in their opinion, society has not yet been sufficiently educated by the special military operation to discard all sorts of nonsense. They are waiting for public opinion to be ready.

hello from toretsk 

for now we are here to help the defence. russians are like at the next building from us. some on different floors. 

we are ordered not to sleep without leaving someone wake to check around.

they say russians take POWs at night when sleeping.

we do the same 

they use some kind of chemicals with drones. 

 

may go another place where we are need later

 

slava ukraini

 

 

4 hours ago, problemfarang said:

hello from toretsk 

for now we are here to help the defence. russians are like at the next building from us. some on different floors. 

we are ordered not to sleep without leaving someone wake to check around.

they say russians take POWs at night when sleeping.

we do the same 

they use some kind of chemicals with drones. 

 

may go another place where we are need later

 

slava ukraini

 

 

 

Did you notice a drop-off in hostility during this "Easter truce" ? 

10 hours ago, zmisha said:

Trump appeared on the political scene in September last year. Until then, everyone was sure that Harris would win. She was supported by all the media representatives. Then suddenly all these people refused to support her and, unexpectedly for everyone, Trump won. What happened in September? And in September, Vladimir Putin made changes to the nuclear doctrine and made the United States responsible for Ukraine's actions against Russia. Therefore, the number 1 task for the United States was to remove America from under the nuclear threat of Russia (not to be confused with a nuclear strike, which is impossible). To do this, Trump staged this amazing show about how the United States allegedly no longer supports Ukraine. As a result, Trump accomplished the main task - he protected the United States from the threat of Russian nuclear weapons. At the same time, all aid to Ukraine did not decrease by a cent - it's just that now the European vassals of the United States are formally responsible for all this.

 

 

This is a statement by an idiot.

14 hours ago, Mavideol said:

but the latest news do confirm Russia using Tik Tok to recruit "tourists" from China offering good salaries ...

 

Recruitment videos in Mandarin promise high pay and heroism, as Moscow's desperate need for manpower fuels a global marketplace of fighters

Chinese fighters in Ukraine and the global pipeline feeding Russia’s war machine

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/chinese-fighters-in-ukraine-and-the-global-pipeline-feeding-russia-s-war-machine/ar-AA1DfiaJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a26ce7440e14488ba8e716935875f36e&ei=28

I haven’t seen any such videos. Have you? And do you know that TikTok isn’t available in China?

11 hours ago, zmisha said:

I don't see any contradictions here. In Putin's understanding, this is not a war or an invasion, but a special military operation (to restore order in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic).

Ukraine declared independence. Does this mean that it left the USSR? Let's think about it. If France or Italy declare their independence, does this mean that they are leaving NATO? Obviously not. Similarly, Ukraine has never declared its withdrawal from the USSR, and Russia, which is in the UN as the renamed USSR, knows this very well.

But Putin and Lavrov are in no hurry to declare this because, in their opinion, society has not yet been sufficiently educated by the special military operation to discard all sorts of nonsense. They are waiting for public opinion to be ready.

oops, it is not what Russia calls this. Keep up

The Kremlin said on Friday that what it has described for more than two years as its "special military operation" in Ukraine had "become a war" because of the ...

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/why-is-russia-changing-its-language-about-war-2024-03-22/

 

 

8 hours ago, Johnlkuk said:

 

Did you notice a drop-off in hostility during this "Easter truce" ? 

 

So far.. no

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

I haven’t seen any such videos. Have you? And do you know that TikTok isn’t available in China?

and where did it said Zelensky accessed TikTok in China.... BTW you should get update as TiTok is a Chinese made app and FULLY available in China, but that must be too much for your one sided brain

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

and where did it said Zelensky accessed TikTok in China.... BTW you should get update as TiTok is a Chinese made app and FULLY available in China, but that must be too much for your one sided brain

 

TikTok has never been available in mainland China, a fact that CEO Shou Chew has mentioned in testimony to U.S. lawmakers. ByteDance instead offers Chinese users Douyin, a similar video-sharing app that follows Beijing’s strict censorship rules. TikTok also ceased operations in Hong Kong after a sweeping Chinese national security law took effect.

https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-bytedance-ban-china-india-376f32d78861e14e65ec4bc78e808a0d

 

Edit: somehow the link gets filtered out by the forum software, just copy-paste it into your browser, it's from Associated Press.

 

4 hours ago, sharot724 said:

oops, it is not what Russia calls this. Keep up

The Kremlin said on Friday that what it has described for more than two years as its "special military operation" in Ukraine had "become a war" because of the ...

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/why-is-russia-changing-its-language-about-war-2024-03-22/

 

 

… involvement of the West. Obviously because the West is not a part of USSR.

2 hours ago, tgw said:

 

TikTok has never been available in mainland China, a fact that CEO Shou Chew has mentioned in testimony to U.S. lawmakers. ByteDance instead offers Chinese users Douyin, a similar video-sharing app that follows Beijing’s strict censorship rules. TikTok also ceased operations in Hong Kong after a sweeping Chinese national security law took effect.

https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-bytedance-ban-china-india-376f32d78861e14e65ec4bc78e808a0d

 

Edit: somehow the link gets filtered out by the forum software, just copy-paste it into your browser, it's from Associated Press.

 

👍

 

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

and where did it said Zelensky accessed TikTok in China.... BTW you should get update as TiTok is a Chinese made app and FULLY available in China, but that must be too much for your one sided brain

How does it feel to be told by your own side that it’s your brain that’s one sided… 🤔 😂

 

Shame that you were so easily baited…

3 hours ago, tgw said:

 

TikTok has never been available in mainland China, a fact that CEO Shou Chew has mentioned in testimony to U.S. lawmakers. ByteDance instead offers Chinese users Douyin, a similar video-sharing app that follows Beijing’s strict censorship rules. TikTok also ceased operations in Hong Kong after a sweeping Chinese national security law took effect.

https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-bytedance-ban-china-india-376f32d78861e14e65ec4bc78e808a0d

 

Edit: somehow the link gets filtered out by the forum software, just copy-paste it into your browser, it's from Associated Press.

 

 

 

So how does "Mechanic Jack's Team" post their videos of car shut n cuts?

 

https://www.tiktok.com/discover/mechanic-jacks-team?lang=en

 

Its all Chinese content.

 

Douyin and TikTok are both owned by ByteDance. Content from Tiktok cannot be shared to Douyin, but content is shared on an industrial scale from Douyin. Hence cat videos.

 

Essentially, its semantics to differentiate between the two.

7 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

 

So how does "Mechanic Jack's Team" post their videos of car shut n cuts?

 

https://www.tiktok.com/discover/mechanic-jacks-team?lang=en

 

Its all Chinese content.

 

Douyin and TikTok are both owned by ByteDance. Content from Tiktok cannot be shared to Douyin, but content is shared on an industrial scale from Douyin. Hence cat videos.

 

Essentially, its semantics to differentiate between the two.

 

VPN ?

or maybe there is an interface to import Douyin content into Tiktok ?

 

technical solutions abound, without changing the fact that one cannot login to Tiktok and view/share content from China, except using a VPN.

 

the use of a VPN makes this a moot point, it's not even relevant that these platforms have the same owner.

2 hours ago, tgw said:

 

VPN ?

or maybe there is an interface to import Douyin content into Tiktok ?

 

technical solutions abound, without changing the fact that one cannot login to Tiktok and view/share content from China, except using a VPN.

 

the use of a VPN makes this a moot point, it's not even relevant that these platforms have the same owner.

 

The point is to say TikTok does not exist in China is disengenuous.  No one is worried whether or not the  Chinese can view TikTok or not.

 

This red herring on the thread was created by a Putin apologist to distract.. The Chinese can and do access Tiktok using a VPN, but most don't, because the same content is shared on Douyin.

 

And Zelensky didn't say the Russians are recruiting Chinese  via Tiktok. He said recruitment is via Tiktok and other  Chinese social networks. The Russian defending dimwits skip over this bit, as they do their master's bidding.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-china-prisoners-tiktok-2057790

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/10/russia-social-media-ads-videos-recruiting-china-mercenaries

https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-pow-wang-guangjun-videos-join-russia-social-media-ukraine-2025-4

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-14/posts-on-chinese-social-media-lure-men-to-russian-army/105168610

https://www.2cr.com.au/俄軍招募廣告現身中國社群平台引發對中國公民參/

https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/04/12/youre-a-man-repke-fished-out-a-chinese-recruitment-video-in-the-russian-army

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/3307106/chinese-fighters-ukraine-and-global-pipeline-feeding-russias-war-machine

 

 

 

Get all you can and see what good things happens