Wake Up! - EVs Are Here, and Your Gas Guzzler is on Life Support

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Congratulations...     I'd fly !!...  

I would too if I had an EV, but then I'd have to rent a car when I got there.

 

In any event, my arms would get too tired...

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Congratulations...     I'd fly !!...  

I would too if I had an EV, but then I'd have to rent a car when I got there.

 

In any event, my arms would get too tired...

 

But we'd know where they place the refuelling nozzle !!!   

[KhunLA]

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

If someone has a vehicle they already like, buying an EV would likely make no economic sense. 

 

The best reason to buy a new car, is because you want a new car. 

Depends how long you keep your cars.  First 3 cars here, we kept for about 125k kms / 7 years each.  4th only had 2 years, and upgraded to the BEV version.   As plan on keeping till it dies, which should be considerable savings over the life of the car, vs the ICEV version.

 

Actually glad now that we did sell the ICEV when we did, as it had a 100k price drop, since the price war started.  Aside from the normal depreciation, add that price drop, and it really wouldn't be worth selling now if still had.

 

If not having solar, we probably would not have sold the ICEV and upgraded to the BEV version.    Simply staying ignorant about the more comfy ride & performance.   We were very happy with the ICEV version, obviously since upgrading to same make & model.

[jimmybcool]

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Fair point... and while its not like that in Thailand... Its not far off either.

 

That maybe due to the area I'm in... But now that I have an EV I realise how many charging stations there actually are...   Mostly in Shopping Malls and Petrol  stations.

 

How many of you can top of your ICE in a shopping mall ???  

 

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On the actual 'planner itself'...    thats just an idea as I never use it when in town anyway, there's no need.

If on a long road trip, I'll look at the planner and check there are plenty of charging stations on the route....   

 

Do you ever look at a Map of the route you are taking when travelling on a road trip (new roads etc), I do... and I used to also look how often the Gas / Petrol stations were. 

 

 

Does your girlfriends Village have electricity ????

- Then you can use a Granni charger to charge over night... (unless you are not stopping over night) in which case....   you will have to use a 'planner' or 'map' to see where you can charge up.

 

But - in reality, Lacessit - IF you are putting up so many 'weak' arguments against EV's, then you are missing out on using your strongest argument.....  which is...

- "you just don't want an EV"...  or

- "you just don't like then".... 

 

which is ok...  each to our own....  but, I'm seeing a lot of very weak very flawed arguments against EV's which hold very little water indeed.... 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you paranoid? Why would I bother to plan my trip with the location of gas stations in mind? They are everywhere in Thailand. Show me one gas station in Thailand that is more than 100 km away from the next. Geez.....

 

Now if you are talking about planning a trip in outback Australia, that's entirely different.

 

I wasn't aware I was making any arguments, weak or otherwise, against EV's. Like ICE's, they have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

I have two cars, one old, one comparatively new. My life expectancy is such both will easily outlast me. It makes no financial sense whatsoever for me to be buying a new car of any kind.

 

My take on cars is if you do buy a new car, you run it into the ground. The best financial decision with a depreciating asset is to buy a car which is a couple of years old, with low mileage. The worst is buying a new car, then trading it in after a couple of years. IMO that's dumb.

[JBChiangRai]

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

As I said, I have done the round trip once without refueling.

 

My usual pattern is 2-3 days in Chiang Mai, visiting friends and a couple of my favorite restaurants. Breakfast at Sausage King, dinner at Antonio's. Special occasions, Le Coq D'Or. My GF catches up with her friends while we are there, I stay with a friend. Shopping at Rimping for groceries I can't get in Chiang Rai.

 

Chiang Mai has the only podiatrist that I know of in the North.

 

After all the running around, I am usually down to a quarter tank. I fill up on the way back at Doi Saket. Sometimes, I turn off at Mae Kachan to Phayao, the road less travelled.

 

Horses for courses. If I had an EV, I would not be concerned if I had a coffee while waiting for it to recharge. OTOH, I'd be p!ssed off if I had to wait for a couple of other EV's, and waste an hour.

 

On the journey you describe, I would leave Chiang Rai fully charged, potter around CM as you described and I'd stop for KFC at Mae Kachan and plug the car in whilst I ate there. 10 minutes would be long enough.  If there was a queue (I've never seen one), I'd stop at the next one 12km further down the road.

 

There's not much call for charging stations between CM & CR as most people start with a full battery in CM or CR and don't need to charge.

 

If you don't drive an EV you probably won't notice the charging stations, PTT's have a big blue EV sign on the pole outside

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

The batteries never need replacing. 

[JBChiangRai]

3 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

 

Some MG EV's have the batteries warranted for life.

 

Batteries expected to last 18 or more years, I'm sure we will see an industry build up to repair batteries, there are already a few companies doing this in DUST (disunited states of trump) because TeSSla charge so much for a new battery.

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

Most come with an 8 year battery warranty, and the market here is too young for anyone to need replacing a battery.   MG even offers a lifetime battery warranty on most models.

 

With most using LFP chemistry, the batteries really should outlast the rest of the car, and probably the same with the electric motors, which MG again, warranties for life, I think.

 

Hopefully by the time the rest of the car craps out, folks here will have an easy plug & play for the battery pack to be added to solar systems.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The batteries never need replacing. 

Tell that to a Nissan Leaf owner in Australia. Bought the car for AUD 50K, battery failed after 6 years. Out of warranty. AUD 38K replacement cost, thank you.

[vinny41]

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Depends how long you keep your cars.  First 3 cars here, we kept for about 125k kms / 7 years each.  4th only had 2 years, and upgraded to the BEV version.   As plan on keeping till it dies, which should be considerable savings over the life of the car, vs the ICEV version.

 

Actually glad now that we did sell the ICEV when we did, as it had a 100k price drop, since the price war started.  Aside from the normal depreciation, add that price drop, and it really wouldn't be worth selling now if still had.

 

If not having solar, we probably would not have sold the ICEV and upgraded to the BEV version.    Simply staying ignorant about the more comfy ride & performance.   We were very happy with the ICEV version, obviously since upgrading to same make & model.

Only a 100K price drop on the MG ZS ICEV compared to the 333K price drop on the zs ev over the same period

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Only a 100K price drop on the MG ZS ICEV compared to the 333K price drop on the zs ev over the same period

Good luck ever finding one at the 599k price.   Never heard anyone getting one or knowing someone getting at that price.  

 

As you know, wife asked locally if price was real, and verified, but she failed to ask, IF any available.

 

Price went from 949k, to 869k or 879k, then sale price 829k, then back to 949k, then 869k, then 599k (good luck), then 829k .... to now, discontinued.

 

Pretty much nothing but a bait & switch campaign if you ask me.  

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Good luck ever finding one at the 599k price.   Never heard anyone getting one or knowing someone getting at that price.  

 

As you know, wife asked locally if price was real, and verified, but she failed to ask, IF any available.

 

Price went from 949k, to 869k or 879k, then sale price 829k, then back to 949k, then 869k, then 599k (good luck), then 829k .... to now, discontinued.

 

Pretty much nothing but a bait & switch campaign if you ask me.  

The B599K campaign started end of August reported on this forum 18th August

Total number of MG ZS EV's registered in 2024 was 758

Total number of MG ZS EV's registered in Q4 October to December was 304 which represents 40% of the total number of registrations for 2024

https://autolifethailand.tv/total-ev-bev-register-2024-thailand/

I don't know a single person that has bought an EV but I have seen dealerships and charging stations on my travels so I do suspect they are being sold in Thailand

 

[indyo]

what EV models here can be used as ESS for pv system when plugged?

 

 

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The B599K campaign started end of August reported on this forum 18th August

Total number of MG ZS EV's registered in 2024 was 758

Total number of MG ZS EV's registered in Q4 October to December was 304 which represents 40% of the total number of registrations for 2024

https://autolifethailand.tv/total-ev-bev-register-2024-thailand/

I don't know a single person that has bought an EV but I have seen dealerships and charging stations on my travels so I do suspect they are being sold in Thailand

 

Strangely, there was not signage a the dealer, stating that 599k price, and no promo signage around town, stating that price, when supposedly available.   They had a couple advert campaigns between August till end of year.   

 

Only saw the 599k price on the internet.  Which I thought was really strange and why asked the wife to ask about it.

 

History now, as is the ZS EV.   Guess I'll have a classic in a few years, decades, if I live that long.

[Andrew Dwyer]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Good luck ever finding one at the 599k price.   Never heard anyone getting one or knowing someone getting at that price.  

 

As you know, wife asked locally if price was real, and verified, but she failed to ask, IF any available.

 

Price went from 949k, to 869k or 879k, then sale price 829k, then back to 949k, then 869k, then 599k (good luck), then 829k .... to now, discontinued.

 

Pretty much nothing but a bait & switch campaign if you ask me.  

Wonder if those were the “ Activity Cars “, as they like to call them ?

Showroom, test drive and show models ( shown at malls and mini motor shows etc ), usually a near perfect car with very low mileage but an early year of manufacture.

Often advertised on FB as upgraded models appear or models discontinued.

 

This example of the Ora 07 seems to include used cars ( can’t be that old ) with a checkup, guarantee as per new and all the freebies.

GSPO = GWM Standard Pre Owned 

 

 

Seems like a good deal as a hefty discount and ideal for anyone looking at the Ora 07 models 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/3/2025 at 2:52 AM, motdaeng said:

the average bev owner charges with only a very few exceptions at home ... a comparison with petrol stations does not make any sense

Must be a very long electric cable for someone living on 18th floor, or do they bring them up in the goods lift and park them in the hallway?

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Most come with an 8 year battery warranty, and the market here is too young for anyone to need replacing a battery.   MG even offers a lifetime battery warranty on most models.

 

With most using LFP chemistry, the batteries really should outlast the rest of the car, and probably the same with the electric motors, which MG again, warranties for life, I think.

 

Hopefully by the time the rest of the car craps out, folks here will have an easy plug & play for the battery pack to be added to solar systems.

My last car was 30 years old, and still functioned perfectly. How long is one of your toy cars going to last?

[Andrew Dwyer]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Must be a very long electric cable for someone living on 18th floor, or do they bring them up in the goods lift and park them in the hallway?

Ignoring your poor attempt at humour even you must have realised that EV’s are not for everyone but if you are prepared to spend 1 hour a week charging at a gas station or mall then EV’s can be utilised like any other type of vehicle.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Ignoring your poor attempt at humour even you must have realised that EV’s are not for everyone but if you are prepared to spend 1 hour a week charging at a gas station or mall then EV’s can be utilised like any other type of vehicle.

and what if like in NZ petrol stations don't have charging points? Malls are pretty rare, but I never saw a charge point at the one mall in the nearest city.

There are a couple at one supermarket in the town I live in, but no charge points anywhere else. However, it's not like there are a lot of EVs to need them- I never saw any using the charge station at the supermarket.

They are probably too expensive for most to buy one.

[KhunLA]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

My last car was 30 years old, and still functioned perfectly. How long is one of your toy cars going to last?

I had one that was 25 yrs old when I bought it, '50' Buick Special.

 

Current car, you'll have to ask the wife, I'll be long gone.

[Andrew Dwyer]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what if like in NZ petrol stations don't have charging points? Malls are pretty rare, but I never saw a charge point at the one mall in the nearest city.

There are a couple at one supermarket in the town I live in, but no charge points anywhere else. However, it's not like there are a lot of EVs to need them- I never saw any using the charge station at the supermarket.

They are probably too expensive for most to buy one.

Who cares what is happening in NZ ?

 

This topic is about Thailand where many malls, gas stations, coffee shops, hotels and even some seven-11’s have chargers.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, KhunLA said:

I had one that was 25 yrs old when I bought it, '50' Buick Special.

 

Current car, you'll have to ask the wife, I'll be long gone.

I occasionally see classic US cars on the road here, lovingly restored or preserved.

 

IMO, the ultimate objective ( unstated by government ) is to remove private car ownership and have a bunch of mini self driving EVs in cities, like the electric scooters all over the place. Just call one up and it'll arrive at your door.

I'll also be long gone by then, and I'm planning on trading in my car for one of those little granny golf cart things that old people use in town. Called mobility scooters in NZ.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Who cares what is happening in NZ ?

 

This topic is about Thailand where many malls, gas stations, coffee shops, hotels and even some seven-11’s have chargers.

You must be a blast at parties.

[Red Phoenix]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You must be a blast at parties.

Yes, you'll always find Andy in the kitchen at those...

[KhunLA]

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what if like in NZ petrol stations don't have charging points? Malls are pretty rare, but I never saw a charge point at the one mall in the nearest city.

There are a couple at one supermarket in the town I live in, but no charge points anywhere else. However, it's not like there are a lot of EVs to need them- I never saw any using the charge station at the supermarket.

They are probably too expensive for most to buy one.

Where you need to go in NZ, as kind of small.  Surprised it's bigger than the UK.   But only got 5.5 M people there, how many CS could you need.  Almost half the people live in 2 cities, although at opposite ends of the top island.  

 

You would have to stop to charge on the way to.  And I thought TH was small.

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yes, you'll always find Andy in the kitchen at those...

Best place to hang out ... with the babes.  No desire to talk sport, cars or babes, especially when there's babes in kitchen 

[Stiddle Mump]

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Where you need to go in NZ, as kind of small.  Surprised it's bigger than the UK.   But only got 5.5 M people there, how many CS could you need.  Almost half the people live in 2 cities, although at opposite ends of the top island.  

 

You would have to stop to charge on the way to.  And I thought TH was small.

Best to take a small generator, and a few litres of fuel, on any trip where you might need to charge up.

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Best to take a small generator, and a few litres of fuel, on any trip where you might need to charge up.

No worries here /TH, CS are everywhere I need them.  Haven't been restricted yet in our travels, and that's most of the country, the past 2+ years.

[swerve]

My next motorbike will be petrol 100%. liosi.