Canada

[theblether]

I've got to be honest, I'm a bit confused about Trump's attitude to Canada. He can't seriously expect them to become the 51st state so there must be something else at play - any guesses? 

 

Setting that to the side, I can see why he got annoyed re illegal immigration from Canada - Mexicans worked out they could fly there and enter overland as mentioned on this link. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-tariffs-immigration-canada-b2653974.html

 

 

[Jingthing]

You're totally wrong.

He does seriously want to gobble up Canada.

He's a PSYCHOPATH! He has delusions of being seen as the greatest president for so increasing the USA's territory.

The feeling from Canada is not mutual.

He is now seen internationally in the same light as Putin.

[theblether]

Put a gun to my head and I'll come up with two theories. 

 

1. He's trolling Trudeau and the Liberals, trying to get Poilievre elected so he can join in the anti-woke agenda. 

 

Or:

 

2. He's going to drag Canada into the Greenland - Northwest Passage issue and get them to support hIS demand for Greenland to come under the control of the USA. 

 

But truthfully I don't know what's behind all this? 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, theblether said:

Put a gun to my head and I'll come up with two theories. 

 

1. He's trolling Trudeau and the Liberals, trying to get Poilievre elected so he can join in the anti-woke agenda. 

 

Or:

 

2. He's going to drag Canada into the Greenland - Northwest Passage issue and get them to support hIS demand for Greenland to come under the control of the USA. 

 

But truthfully I don't know what's behind all this? 

Because truthfully you've been totally clueless about what Trump  and the maga fascist movement has really been about for the duration.

[Hummin]

33 minutes ago, theblether said:

Put a gun to my head and I'll come up with two theories. 

 

1. He's trolling Trudeau and the Liberals, trying to get Poilievre elected so he can join in the anti-woke agenda. 

 

Or:

 

2. He's going to drag Canada into the Greenland - Northwest Passage issue and get them to support hIS demand for Greenland to come under the control of the USA. 

 

But truthfully I don't know what's behind all this? 

 

Jealousy and revenge

[Jingthing]

Trudeau has already resigned.

[theblether]

^^ Dear me. Pathetic. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, theblether said:

^^ Dear me. Pathetic. 

Trump's aggression towards friendly neighbor Canada is much more severe than pathetic.

It's INSANE!

[Lacessit]

Trump thinks in terms of real estate. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he thought he could force Canada into a shotgun wedding.

 

Canada is supplying 50% of America's oil, which would be a huge bonus.

 

Perhaps he is thinking like Lyndon Johnson, it's better to have Canada inside the tent p!ssing out, than outside the tent p!ssing in.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Trump thinks in terms of real estate. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he thought he could force Canada into a shotgun wedding.

 

Canada is supplying 50% of America's oil, which would be a huge bonus.

 

Perhaps he is thinking like Lyndon Johnson, it's better to have Canada inside the tent p!ssing out, than outside the tent p!ssing in.

Absolutely. He's easy to read if you just pay attention.

Remember his bizarro world video he showed to the North Korean despot showing developments of casinos and beach resorts there? 

Another interesting detail. Why does he have a hard on for Panama.

Look into his history with a Trump tower there for a clue. 

[bannork]

American booze taken off Canadian shelves

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cqjvg82lg4yt?post=asset%3Ae8ea9bf5-a89a-49a1-9784-035b889c55c8#post

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

American booze taken off Canadian shelves

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cqjvg82lg4yt?post=asset%3Ae8ea9bf5-a89a-49a1-9784-035b889c55c8#post

Say what ... guess I'll be boycotting Crown now.  Take that Canada 

[uncletiger]

46 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump's aggression towards friendly neighbor Canada is much more severe than pathetic.

It's INSANE!

 

It's not really insane. Canada is trying to manipulate the situation to elect another radical left globalist rather than just calling for immediate elections that would see the Liberals driven from power.

 

You don't accept that we are in a very real war, but it is true. This isn't about Trump or MAGA. This is about driving the globalist criminal syndicate and their puppet regimes from power globally. They are an actual enemy to the United States of America. We can't afford to allow an enemy to control territory and attack us from our northern border. (Through drugs, terrorism and human trafficking.) And make no mistake, Trudeau (and his Liberal party) and the globalist cabal he works for are the enemy. America is a great friend of the Canadian people. But their government has sided with the sworn enemy of America. The Liberal government in Canada has to go. The Canadians need to pick a side and understand the seriousness of the situation. This is a global battle. Choose wisely.

[Patong2021]

Trump is bullying Canada, and it will most likely backfire, but he does have a point and to a certain degree, he is doing Canada a favour by forcing the issue.    Canada's largest newspaper editorialists at the conservative Globe and Mail likened Canada to a 30 year old who has been living with his parents for too long and who needs to grow up. Trump is forcing Canadians to rethink their relationship with the USA and to take decisions on economic independence that should have been made  decades ago.

 

Immigration:  Despite Trump's claim that Canada has allowed "millions and millions" of people to illegally enter the United States. US CBP data  2024 shows that the Border Patrol apprehended 23,721 people who illegally crossed the U.S.-Canada border, representing just 1.5% of nationwide Border Patrol apprehensions. In contrast, at the U.S.-Mexico border, Border Patrol reported more than 1.5 million apprehensions in the same year.*

 

The insulting  aspect of the claim is that MORE people have illegally crossed from the USA into Canada from the USA than the other way around. During the last Trump administration, US CBP was not impeding a flood of irregular migrants to Canada, particularly at the Roxham Rd crossing, which was inundated with hundreds on some weekends.

 

Fentanyl: The data does not support the claim that Canada is a primary source of the drug entering the U.S.

In Fiscal Year 2024, USCBP seized 21,148 pounds of fentanyl at the southwest border, mostly smuggled from Mexico. In contrast, only 43 pounds were intercepted at the northern border. This means that less than 1% of all fentanyl seizures occurred at the U.S.-Canada border.  However, the US is a major source of the drug being smuggled into Canada. In 2024, the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) seized approximately 10.8 pounds of fentanyl coming into Canada from the United States. It stopped 17.6 pounds of fentanyl being smuggled from Canada into the U.S. This suggests that the trafficking issue is not as one-sided as the administration claims.*

 

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/01/31/tariff-on-canada-not-justified-by-us-immigration-and-drug-claims/

https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/Irregular-border-crosser-statistics.aspx

 

Where Trump does have a point is on Canada' lax immigration visa and enforcement strategy. This is where many Canadians will be thanking  Trump. For years there was a problem with Mexicans exploiting the visa free  travel to Canada. They were not using it to enter the USA, but were  going to Canada to claim refugee status by the thousands. Provinces were begging the federal government to stop it. Canada brought back stricter entry rules a year ago;  Mexicans must

-  be eligible for an electronic travel authorization (eTA)

-  apply for a visitor visa (if they are not eligible for an eTA anymore)

 

Canada has a big, big problem with foreigners who have exploited the  immigration system and who have been enabled by greedy Canadians and the government itself.  Until the government  changed the  rules, there were an estimated  2 million foreign students in Canada. They are supposed to come for an education and then leave, but they do not. Most are from India. They want to stay and file bogus refugee claims.  Questionable educational institutions were recruiting the Indians and pocketing big profits.  Added to this is the misused Temporary foreign worker program that technically had  almost 800,000, but is estimated to really be closer to 1 million.  And again added to this is the legal refugees and the illegal migrants estimated to add another  500,000 plus the annual  legal immigration goal of 500,000.  The end result has been a shortage in affordable housing, and an increased demand on an already taxed health care system. Quebec and Ontario   are  burdened with the refugees and have been diverting hundreds of millions of $ to their care and support: Money that has been diverted away from other social programs.

 

And then there is national defense. The federal government has dragged its heels on spending on national defense. It had little choice as Canadians wanted dental care and day care before the country secured its air and northern borders, and ensured an ability to defend its waters from polluters and foreign fishing fleets. Vested interest groups would rather the country spend on foreign aid to despotic regimes than fund national defense. The country now only has 66 fixed wing  fighter jets of which only 1/4 are believed operation ready to respond to an immediate threat. All this while Russia regularly flies nuclear armed borders to its northern airspace.  And then there is Ukraine. Canada is going to  reach  $20 billion in aid to the country shortly. This amount is ignored by the USA, but it can be considered money spent for the benefit of US national interest.

 

And as stupid as the US tariffs are, Canada  is partly responsible. The federal government had 6+ years to fix the problem and ignored the warnings about its lax immigration and border policies. Now it is being forced to do something, but it will come at a cost to its economy.

 

Yes, Trump may get a short term win, but I see from the international news that the Canadians have started booing the US national anthem at hockey games, and the anti american sentiment is growing. Americans forget that  Canadians are nationalistic, proud and sensitive to insults from the USA.  Canadians will respond and it won't be pretty.  Maybe the US poking will be a good thing for Canada, but I expect it will end badly for the USA. Ask the Germans how it ended for them when they went to war with their cousins in Great Britain.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Someone explain this to me ....

 

So the American company pay the tarriffs, not Canada. Why Canada so bothered then?

 

 

[Jingthing]

49 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

Someone explain this to me ....

 

So the American company pay the tarriffs, not Canada. Why Canada so bothered then?

 

 

The American consumers pay because the importers pass on costs.

So they buy less.

Canada loses jobs and suffers economically.

So Canada retaliates.

Trade war.