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SAS Shooting of Four IRA Men in 1992 Ruled Unjustified


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9 hours ago, Social Media said:

Justice Michael Humphreys ruled that the use of lethal force "cannot have been reasonable," noting that there was no attempt to arrest the men

I'm confused. Is the SAS a police force, trained and empowered to legally arrest people? Would they also have had the duty to read them their rights?

In essence, if you wanna arrest people for a later trial, use the police. If you are not interested for these people to stand trial, use soldiers. 

But the wording that this was "unjustified" puts the blame on the soldiers, while it should be on the agencies who selected the soldiers for the task.

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3 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

I'm confused. Is the SAS a police force, trained and empowered to legally arrest people? Would they also have had the duty to read them their rights?

In essence, if you wanna arrest people for a later trial, use the police. If you are not interested for these people to stand trial, use soldiers. 

But the wording that this was "unjustified" puts the blame on the soldiers, while it should be on the agencies who selected the soldiers for the task.


The SAS were not police, but neither were they judge and jury.

 

Clearly they were executioners

But you are correct:

 

“But the wording that this was "unjustified" puts the blame on the soldiers, while it should be on the agencies who selected the soldiers for the task.”

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War does have consequences. The size of the gun welded on the back of the truck tells us they were going to continue the war. Perhaps asking them to surrender was never going to happen but that is the consequence of thinking you are hard men.

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1 minute ago, Purdey said:

War does have consequences. The size of the gun welded on the back of the truck tells us they were going to continue the war. Perhaps asking them to surrender was never going to happen but that is the consequence of thinking you are hard men.

 

These events did not occur during a war, civil law was still in place. 
 

 

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So just minutes after they had carried out a terror attack as active service members of the IRA, trying to kill police they then get shot and killed themselves by the SAS. Som nam na.

 

Jeremy Corbyn will be pleased with this result. 

 

Absolute farce

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41 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, they had the power of detention.

 

I don't know about the SAS, but I do know from personal experience that virtually all army training at the time was tailored to 'IS', or Internal Security. It was essentially police training, months of it before deployment, basic law including arrest grounds and techniques, riot control and so on. All under the motto of 'minimum force required to do the job'. I can honestly say that in '74 my unit lived by that. 

 

I'm not denying by any means that there were many awful egregious and deadly failures on the part of the army on the ground and policy makers. Maybe that's an inevitable side effect  in civil conflicts like that where deadly force is being used on both sides.

 

I also understood back then that if I'd been a young catholic man brought up on the Falls Road, I'd have been looking down the sights of a rifle in exactly the opposite direction to the sights I was looking down as a young Brit soldier. That's what these young guys were doing.

 

It looks like arrests were possible after a lot of experts have had the chance to sift through all the evidence for months on end. I'm sure none of them wanted to come to unfair conclusions and were interested only in the truth of the situation. It has nothing to do with 'woke' or any such garbage. I don't think the SAS is a gang of executioners. I have known some.

 

The article doesn't say but if those guys were carrying small arms as well as that .50 sized monster then I can't guarantee I would have attempted an arrest either.

 

At least those PIRA operatives were acting like soldiers and must have been aware of the risks. I respect that even if I basically don't like the idea of people running around blasting off on Somali type 'technicals'.

 

My deepest consuming hatred and contempt is most definitely reserved for those who plant bombs in public places. 

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