Nightmare at the Prachuap tax office

[Briggsy]

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 Asked and answered!  Just one example, from American tax advisor Thomas Carden in a recent interview:

 

 

 

 

Thanks. American tax advisor Thomas Carden.

[Presnock]

12 hours ago, thesetat said:

I think you can not read. I said I was there and asking questions. I never said i tried to file the taxes. I wanted information to see if I had to file. My logic was sound. However, logic does not work when dealing with Thais. They have no clue what is going on. NO tax return was filed when there. Just unanswered questions. 

I am unsure as top why expats continue to go to local offices when they have no real reason to go.  Most answers we see are just that from local rd officers - no real idea,  some say file and RD will figure up your taxable amount and they have no idea if you have assessable on non assessable income.  I have read he RD notes, seen umptiump webinars and all basically say the same thing unless they want YOUR business.  Very few of us I think will have any real problems this year until the RD gets all their folks on board and they put out the same story.  Non-assessable income includes any income non-assessable due to exemption by DTA or exemption by Royal Decree or if there is some other exemption then non-assessable so nothing needs to be obtained from the local rd office.  Once the tax season filling is over in April then believe the RD will look at the results and unless some folks wake up then the RD will be swamped by zero tax forms filed or if enough expats wake up, very few filed.  Then the RD will probably look at remittances as provided by the local banks, and determine what least amount and above will get some kind of notice to proved the RD with ample evidence of exemptions.  If people have their documents ready, then this should be easy notice I said should be easy but do not really have any idea about the RD folks in general.  If however, I am targetted and the RD doesn't like my documentation even though the big exemptions are BOI LTR documents (visa) and DTA then I will contact the US Embassy and US State department that the RD is possibly violating the treaty with the US.  I do wish only the best of luck for everyone in this tax season.  I have always done exactly what is written in the tax laws of whatever country I have lived in (many!).  If Thailand changes their tax laws to cancel the DTA then I would become concerned enough about the tax situation to possibly make other plans.  I do hope the RD folks are intelligent enough to THINK about all the possibilities concerning the tax situations of the expats as well as their own folks.

[Presnock]

17 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Until then, have your wife call TRD helpline #1161 to get valid information.

 

15 hours ago, anrcaccount said:

 

I know, that's why I said " with your logic" .

 

Meaning that, if he was trying to declare it this year, he should have also tried to declare it for many years previously. 

 

 

Current US-Thai DTA has been in effect since signing in 1997!  easy enough to check instead of guessing all the time.

[Presnock]

17 hours ago, thesetat said:

the lady was estimating without using any form. she showed me calculator showing 27000 baht for the amount of my SSI. Not including my kids portion. 

you could maybe get the same figure by checking with any of the taxagents!  at least you could get a 15-minute free consultation - especially if it is about exemption of US SS payments!  or just READ the US-Thai DTA article 20!

 

[redwood1]

1 hour ago, Presnock said:

I am unsure as top why expats continue to go to local offices when they have no real reason to go.  Most answers we see are just that from local rd officers - no real idea,  some say file and RD will figure up your taxable amount and they have no idea if you have assessable on non assessable income.  I have read he RD notes, seen umptiump webinars and all basically say the same thing unless they want YOUR business.  Very few of us I think will have any real problems this year until the RD gets all their folks on board and they put out the same story.  Non-assessable income includes any income non-assessable due to exemption by DTA or exemption by Royal Decree or if there is some other exemption then non-assessable so nothing needs to be obtained from the local rd office.  Once the tax season filling is over in April then believe the RD will look at the results and unless some folks wake up then the RD will be swamped by zero tax forms filed or if enough expats wake up, very few filed.  Then the RD will probably look at remittances as provided by the local banks, and determine what least amount and above will get some kind of notice to proved the RD with ample evidence of exemptions.  If people have their documents ready, then this should be easy notice I said should be easy but do not really have any idea about the RD folks in general.  If however, I am targetted and the RD doesn't like my documentation even though the big exemptions are BOI LTR documents (visa) and DTA then I will contact the US Embassy and US State department that the RD is possibly violating the treaty with the US.  I do wish only the best of luck for everyone in this tax season.  I have always done exactly what is written in the tax laws of whatever country I have lived in (many!).  If Thailand changes their tax laws to cancel the DTA then I would become concerned enough about the tax situation to possibly make other plans.  I do hope the RD folks are intelligent enough to THINK about all the possibilities concerning the tax situations of the expats as well as their own folks.

 

Well on the other tax thread one guy had been to the tax office 4  yes 4 times because they would not give him a TIN and said he owed no taxes...

 

The guy could not let a sleeping horse lay.....And was desperate to pay taxes whether he owed them or not...

[Enzian]

11 hours ago, Sheryl said:

The only change is that in the  past if the money was remitted in a different year than it was earned, it was exempt. That loophole was closed as of tax year 2024. Nothing else changed. 

And has that change actually been set in stone, or does it need to be formally published or could it still be taken to court or something?

[Presnock]

47 minutes ago, Enzian said:

And has that change actually been set in stone, or does it need to be formally published or could it still be taken to court or something?

I could be mistaken but I thought this was published in the Gazette but in any case, it wasn't really a change to the law, just an interpretation that was used for many years so the arliament didn't have to weigh in on it.  Go back tro the original forums where this interpretation first began and read the thousands of guesses on the meanings and how it affects expats and local thai workers in or out of the country.