Elon Musk Urges US to 'delete' Federal Agencies in Government Overhaul

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Taxes are not a zero sum came. Cutting taxes and regulations will spur the economy much more effectively than Bidenomics dumping $2T into the country, growing the government and allowing millions of illegal aliens to flood into the county. 

I didn",t work like that last time. The previous tax cuts resulted in debt increase and have not been compensated by an increase of tax revenues from extra growth.

[Luuk Chaai]

8 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

How could brainwashed Americans resist the first black, Indian, woman president? So many boxes ticked! Maybe if she was crippled that would have taken over the finish line.

 

Because she ""IS" about the most incompetant,inarticulate puppet the could muster up

We.. the people want action not word salad..  and the action was mandated ..   America First !

[SiSePuede419]

10 hours ago, theblether said:

The debt ceiling must be raised to service Federal obligations due to a large inherited deficit. 

 

Incorrect. 

 

Republicans raised the debt ceiling by $4 Trillion dollars, far beyond what would be needed to service existing Biden/Trump/Obama/Bush debt.

 

It's simple arithmetic but I wouldn't expect people who are so bad at math they bankrupt casinos to have the capacity to understand.

 

Yes, Virginia we're still paying off those tax cuts from Donnie's first giveaway to Billionaires.

 

Donnie wants to play Santa Claus again for the next giveaway to his Billionaire pals.

 

Liar. 😂

[Yellowtail]

9 hours ago, candide said:

I didn",t work like that last time. The previous tax cuts resulted in debt increase and have not been compensated by an increase of tax revenues from extra growth.

It did work like that last time. 

[SiSePuede419]

56 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It did work like that last time. 

It works like that everytime.

 

Laffer Curve, which suggests that at very high tax rates, cutting taxes can stimulate enough economic growth to generate more overall tax revenue. 

 

But in most modern economies, tax rates aren’t at those extreme levels. 

 

Major tax cuts (like those under Reagan, Bush, and Trump) were followed by rising deficits and debt, suggesting revenue did not grow enough to make up for the cuts. ✅

 

Tax cuts don't increase tax revenue.

 

Duh. 😄

 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

It works like that everytime.

 

Laffer Curve, which suggests that at very high tax rates, cutting taxes can stimulate enough economic growth to generate more overall tax revenue. 

 

But in most modern economies, tax rates aren’t at those extreme levels. 

 

Major tax cuts (like those under Reagan, Bush, and Trump) were followed by rising deficits and debt, suggesting revenue did not grow enough to make up for the cuts. ✅

 

Tax cuts don't increase tax revenue.

 

Duh. 😄

 

It worked last time. 

 Duh. 😄  Duh. 😄 Duh. 😄

[Walker88]

8 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

It works like that everytime.

 

Laffer Curve, which suggests that at very high tax rates, cutting taxes can stimulate enough economic growth to generate more overall tax revenue. 

 

But in most modern economies, tax rates aren’t at those extreme levels. 

 

Major tax cuts (like those under Reagan, Bush, and Trump) were followed by rising deficits and debt, suggesting revenue did not grow enough to make up for the cuts. ✅

 

Tax cuts don't increase tax revenue.

 

Duh. 😄

 

The Laffer curve is a cute concept, but like it's synonymous name suggests, it's kind of a joke. MAGAs, of course, lack the intellect to understand that the only two points on the graph/curve one truly knows are Tax Rates of 0% and 100%. EVERYTHING in between is speculation and a function of one's ideology or self-interest.

 

Interesting that this fantasy has been propagated solely by Repubs, since not a single Republican POTUS ever has NOT presided over the start of a Recession.

 

Tax Rates do not correlate well with GDP growth. The highest rates ever in the US were when growth was robust, such as the 1950s. So many other factors affect growth than tax rates, but the Rerpub mantra has always been "cut and trickle on down" Reagan began the massive deficits with his cuts, and the cuts in the PINO's first term set off massive deficits that eventually added 41% to the total National Debt built up since the 18th Century.....and it only took him 4 years.

[Walker88]

Over the weekend, more slash and burn took place in other areas of the Federal Govt, including Health and Human Services, the Food and Drug Administration and Medicaid/Medicare.

 

It seems to be lost among self-serving MAGA autocrats that a good many of the functions government provides do not offer profit opportunity, which is why they are taken care of in the public sector, not the private sector.

 

Food inspections? Drug testing and approval? Those are things necessary, but are best handled by the govt and our collective tax burden.

 

MAGA morons love to throw around the term "Socialist", but they are too dumb to realize a good deal of any modern functioning government is Socialist, such as defense, the FDA, FDIC, Interstate highways, etc.

 

When MAGA spawn start dropping like flies because they pick up e coli or salmonella in their school lunch or mommy's home cooking or a night out at Olive Garden or the Scottish Embassy (aka McDonalds), they will find they got exactly what they wished for.

 

Oh, and offices addressing pandemic preparedness were also decimated, so all of you who believe Covid was a hoax and vaccines implanted mind-control chips, can dies peacefully in the next pandemic, also knowing you got exactly what you wanted.

 

Those who voted for the PINO and President Musk might get their Darwin Awards posthumously. The so-called "civil war" so many MAGAs hoped for will turn out to be civil suicide.

 

So be it. MAGAs are by definition redundant, and the culling of that flock of morons will do the world good.

 

Hasta la vista, babies.

[riclag]

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

And until about 50 years ago, the people that came wanted to assimilate and be Americans. Now the left wants them to be small tribes of an underclass that live in ghettos, cleans their toilets and keep them in power. 

Assimilation -?
 

The Great reset of the oppressed!

Thanks WEF
“Rich countries can’t afford to ignore refugee crises, says UNHCR's Filippo Grandi”

https://www.weforum.org/videos/refugee-crises-grandi/

 

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Assimilation -?
 

The Great reset of the oppressed!

Thanks WEF
“Rich countries can’t afford to ignore refugee crises, says UNHCR's Filippo Grandi”

https://www.weforum.org/videos/refugee-crises-grandi/

 

Goodness, if not for MAGAs, the entire IQ Bell Curve would shift a std dev to the right!

 

There have always been pockets of immigrants who chose to live in communities of those who share the same culture, foods, etc. The "Coolies" who built much of the US rail system established what most every major world city has: Chinatown. Other ethnic groups banded together, too, such as Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Scandinavians and most recently, Moslems in States like Michigan. Not everybody wants to be "white like us".

 

Even the Founders, who were mostly atheists, commented about religious freedom of association, including for Moslems. They didn't expect everyone to become a fan of Jeebus or any mainstream belief system of that day.

 

While few favor unfettered migration, decent people understand that so much is due to accidents of birth. Also, different ways of thinking and believing add richness and variety to any culture. The US benefits from being a melting post, and has assimilated migrants far better than any other nation. Companies like Intel and Bose exist owing to immigration. Even Apple was founded by the son of a Syrian immigrant.

 

Imagine if you had been born female in gang-ravaged Guatemala. You wouldn't be on AseanNow. You are just lucky you were born in the US. You were a truck driver, right? That is, frankly speaking, not the acme of US society and talent. You're just lucky that, lacking actual skills and talents, you were whelped inside US borders, where it is almost impossible---if born a white male between, say, 1950 and 1980---to NOT be a multimillionaire. White males in that 30 year period materialized on Earth under better circumstances than 99.999% of all humans who have lived since Oldavai Gorge. If you're in that demographic and not a multimillionaire, you really should be ashamed of yourself. Many migrants, both legal and illegal, have achieved success that dwarfs anything you did.

 

Have a little humility and appreciation for your absolute dumb luck.

[candide]

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It worked last time. 

 Duh. 😄  Duh. 😄 Duh. 😄

That's why Trump had to increase debt in order to finance tax cuts! 😆

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

That's why Trump had to increase debt in order to finance tax cuts! 😆

No, he didn't. You're lying, as usual. You do that a lot. 

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

No, he didn't. You're lying, as usual. You do that a lot. 

 

 

No. It's you lying, as usual!

 

https://taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-did-tcja-affect-federal-budget-outlook

https://www.marketplace.org/2025/02/05/economic-impact-of-trumps-2017-tax-cuts/

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/

 

Like when you lied yesterday that Ukraine had been investigating Hunter's business dealings! 😆

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

No. It's you lying, as usual!

 

https://taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-did-tcja-affect-federal-budget-outlook

 

Like when you lied yesterday that Ukraine had been investigating Hunter's business dealings! 😆

Poor, poor lefty, posting links to leftist websites he has not read, and pretending they prove something they do not. Typical. 

 

 

 

[candide]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Poor, poor lefty, posting links to leftist websites he has not read, and pretending they prove something they do not. Typical. 

 

 

 

Poor MAGA deflecting! 😆

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Poor MAGA deflecting! 😆

Typical lame-a** leftist response then they make false claims they can't support. 

[candide]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Typical lame-a** leftist response then they make false claims they can't support. 

Talking about making false claims! 🤣

[gargamon]

Why would anyone care what musk thinks. He believes we live in a video game.

 

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Why would anyone care what musk thinks. He believes we live in a video game.

 

Bit crazy

[SLOWHAND225]

On 2/15/2025 at 7:57 AM, HappyExpat57 said:

That is a typical shallow, inhumane and childish MAGA attitude.

 

For a long time the US was looked up to as that "beacon on the hill." When any country was in need, the US was ALWAYS the first on the scene to offer a helping hand because it had more than enough and was willing to share. As a result, many allied relationships were formed.

 

Now cruel selfishness is the attitude of the fools at the helm. Sure, the world will adjust as they wake up to the realization the US is now only out for itself, screw everyone else. The result? Those countries in need will become former allies and turn to US adversaries. Stay on this path, at the end of the day, the US will be isolated, and the way things are being run, it's going to NEED friends to get out of a terrible jam of its own making.

 

But hey, if you can't see it from your single-wide trailer's porch, it doesn't affect you, right?

 

Good, it can't happen fast enough. We've been taken advantage of by immigrants who don't come here to become American but to live just like they did in the rat holes they came from AND our own politicians for far too long. Time to close up shop and fix ourselves, nobody.
America is almost always the first on scene to help others, know who helped up when the Carolinas and E.TN flooded ? How about the latest fires in Calif. ?  Its easy, its the same exact countries, nobody. Exactly nobody came to help. There was a good bit of lip service but still, nobody came.
We can't leave the UN and NATO soon enough.

Luckily for us, we have the room and the resources to bring almost all manufacturing back inside our borders like it used to be. 

[SiSePuede419]

Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency has requested access to a sensitive IRS data system that retains the personal tax information on millions of Americans

 

What's his motivation?

 

Musk wants to Hoover* up the data for profit.

 

Do you know how much that data is worth? 💵💵💵💵💵

 

*Another name for a "vacuum" which you don't have because you couldn't afford a broken down house filled with dirty carpets back in your home country, sorry about that reference 😄 

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

38 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

We've been taken advantage of by immigrants

Yes, so very true! 

 

It's amazing that you know that to be "true".

 

Darn those immigrants raising the prices on eggs, housing, insurance, dental work, etc.

 

Wait. 

 

Those were rich Americans raising those prices.

 

Immigrants don't own large corporations or real estate.

 

Those are Americans doing that.

 

Nevermind.

 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

Sucker.

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency has requested access to a sensitive IRS data system that retains the personal tax information on millions of Americans

 

What's his motivation?

 

Musk wants to Hoover* up the data for profit.

 

Do you know how much that data is worth? 💵💵💵💵💵

 

*Another name for a "vacuum" which you don't have because you couldn't afford a broken down house filled with dirty carpets back in your home country, sorry about that reference 😄 

 

 

I think this is great news. Using AI to find people with money they have illegally and ferreting out tax evaders seems like money well spent. 

 

It's not the poor evading taxes, everyone should pay their fair share! 💵💵💵💵💵

[SiSePuede419]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Using AI to find people with money they have illegally and ferreting out tax evaders seems like money well spent. 

Yeah, I agree. 

 

Finding tax cheaters is good, but there's no evidence he's doing that or is even interested in doing that.

 

Just the fact that they recently fired IRS agents whose jobs are to audit high income tax cheaters tells you everything you need to know about Musk's likely intentions. 🤣

 

IRS wants to hire 3,700 more agents to ferret out wealthy tax cheaters after a decades-long decline in auditing them

September 16, 2023 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Except there's no evidence he's doing that or is even interested in doing that.

It's what they are supposed to be doing, and there is no evidence they are not.

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Just the fact that they recently fired IRS agents who's jobs are to audit high income tax cheaters tells you everything you need to know about Musk's likely intentions. 🤣

Why? 

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

IRS wants to hire 3,700 more agents to ferret out wealthy tax cheaters after a decades-long decline in auditing them

September 16, 2023 

Did they just not hire 75K with the phony "Inflation Reduction Act" and did not realize any significant benefit? 

 

I say make everyone's tax returns public information 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think this is great news. Using AI to find people with money they have illegally and ferreting out tax evaders seems like money well spent. 

 

It's not the poor evading taxes, everyone should pay their fair share! 💵💵💵💵💵

There is a conflict of interest that you probably avoid conveniently. One of Elon's man still holding down his day job as CEO of the Software Group. He and his network of people from th silicone valley and corporate America will harvest that gold mine of data. 

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There is a conflict of interest that you probably avoid conveniently. One of Elon's man still holding down his day job as CEO of the Software Group. He and his network of people from th silicone valley and corporate America will harvest that gold mine of data. 

How is it a conflict of interest? Countless people, including software consultants have access to the information.

 

I do not think you understand what conflict of interest means.

 

 

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Did they just not hire 75K with the phony "Inflation Reduction Act" and did not realize any significant benefit? 

False.

 

No, the IRS did not just hire 75,000 agents under the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). The IRS plans to hire around 87,000 employees over the next decade, but that includes not just agents—it covers customer service representatives, IT specialists, and other roles. Many of these hires will replace retiring employees, as the IRS workforce has been shrinking for years.

 

You can't prove something that hasn't happened yet "doesn't work", LOL.

 

You fell for KGB propaganda.  Again.

 

The IRS tax return can be simplified for the bottom 99% of income earners...

 

"$0.00 owed."

 

But Rich people don't want to pay their FAIR SHARE because they're FREELOADERS who want to BUM OFF their share of the tax burden to the Middle Class.

 

So they make the tax code incredibly complicated or they simply don't process your tax return because you didn't pay a CPA to file it for you.

 

So to summarize, you don't understand the American tax system nor do you understand what's going on at the IRS.

 

The IRS can't just magically simply taxes for the bottom 99%>

 

That would take an act of Congress.

 

And I can guarantee you that 100% of Republicans don't want that to happen.

 

You're blaming the victim, the IRS not the perpetrator, rich people bribing Republicans to cripple the IRS. 😂

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

False.

 

No, the IRS did not just hire 75,000 agents under the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). The IRS plans to hire around 87,000 employees over the next decade, but that includes not just agents—it covers customer service representatives, IT specialists, and other roles. Many of these hires will replace retiring employees, as the IRS workforce has been shrinking for years.

 

You can't prove something that hasn't happened yet "doesn't work", LOL.

 

You fell for KGB propaganda.  Again.

 

The IRS tax return can be simplified for the bottom 99% of income earners...

 

"$0.00 owed."

 

But Rich people don't want to pay their FAIR SHARE because they're FREELOADERS who want to BUM OFF their share of the tax burden to the Middle Class.

 

So they make the tax code incredibly complicated or they simply don't process your tax return because you didn't pay a CPA to file it for you.

 

So to summarize, you don't understand the American tax system nor do you understand what's going on at the IRS.

 

The IRS can't just magically simply taxes for the bottom 99%>

 

That would take an act of Congress.

 

And I can guarantee you that 100% of Republicans don't want that to happen.

 

You're blaming the victim, the IRS not the perpetrator, rich people bribing Republicans to cripple the IRS. 😂

 

 

 

So, you are against using AI to find people with money they have illegally and ferreting out tax evaders? 

 

Just hire more people and let them work from home? 

 

A lot of Republicans would support a flat tax or some-such, it's the left that is against it. 

 

I say set up an AI program that identifies returns that are suspect. 

 

But you're not going to catch many 1%ers evading taxes, you'll just catch a bunch of small business owners. 

 

Just change the pay structure at the IRS such that they get a base pay of $30K and 10% of the fraud they recover. 

 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How is it a conflict of interest? Countless people, including software consultants have access to the information.

 

I do not think you understand what conflict of interest means.

 

 

 

 

You don't read well. One of Elon's staff still holding his day job as a CEO of a software company. Flashing red lights for conflict of interest. Try harder to understand simple terminology.