Zelensky Pushes Back Against Trump’s “Disinformation” on Ukraine War

[RayC]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

They don't have to leave the EU,  to be friendly Russia, what's wrong with the heads of those countries doing what's best for their citizens?

Not very deplomatic is it if the EU says us or Russia. 

All EU citizens now paying 3x for heating costs because US sanctions and IS destruction of Nordstream,  which never affect the US anyway. But but Putin bad. Tired old cold war mentality like the majority have

 

Notwithstanding the fact that Russia has started a war on the EU's doorstep, she also regularly engages in actions to undermine the stability of the EU and some of the EU member states. Reason enough for the EU to be wary of her.

 

If the heads of  government of those countries feel that their values are more aligned with modern day Russia than those of the EU then they should leave the bloc.

 

There's a reason to engage a "tired old cold war mentality". It's because Putin is nothing more than an unreconstructed Soviet dictator. I cannot for the life of me why anyone from the West would act as an apologist for him.

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Politics is politics. Putin will, is, and has been influencing elections and the political scene globally. He's a dictator. The point though is how to stop the Ukraine/Russia war and how to clip Putin's wings in any further expansionists moves. Sleepy Joe was completely out of the picture on this. The neo-con hawks in his party were dictating military policy to him. Had the Democrats won there would be no cessation talks. Russia would continue on it's journey east, 100,000s of thousand if not millions more would be killed, the military industrial complex will be making a fortune and the tax payers will be subsidizing it. It has to stop and Trump is trying to do this. Yes, Ukraine is going to take a big hit in loss of territory but can anyone tell me another way. I doubt it. I have asked this question several times. How can this war be brought to an end? Those that "froth at the mouth as soon as the see the word Trump" have failed to give any reasonable answer. Indeed no answer at all except for "Trump Bad". 

 

I replied to your question about an alternative solution on p2.

 

I would stress that I don't expect my alternative scenario to play out as Trump has made it clear than he sees himself as a latter-day Chamberlain rather than Churchill.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

 

 

There's a reason to engage a "tired old cold war mentality". It's because Putin is nothing more than an unreconstructed Soviet dictator. I cannot for the life of me why anyone from the West would act as an apologist for him.

IMO you might be looking for the word quisling. There's a few on this thread.

[dinsdale]

Just now, RayC said:

 

I replied to your question about an alternative solution on p2.

 

I would stress that I don't expect my alternative scenario to play out as Trump has made it clear than he sees himself as a latter-day Chamberlain rather than Churchill.

He wants the war to end so does Putin and Zelenskyy has no choice. End the war or lose the war. This is why Zeleskyy's position at the bargaining table is not one of strength. This is the reality on the battlefield. Russia is winning the war as it is. Anyone who disagrees to why Russia isn't winning the war I look forward to your non-deflection comments. Probably this post will just get the usual emojis from those that won't or can't answer the question. Here it is in black and white. Who is winning the war?

[altayvan]

I'm sorry but the alt rights view on conflicts is: we like the nation state, and want everyone in the war to have a nation state. So we side with Israel and Russia. So all Ukrainians can have a strong mother Russia to look after them and stop the trans agenda.

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO you might be looking for the word quisling. There's a few on this thread.

If your going to call someone a traitor just do it. Don't try and show off by using Google definition synonyms of traitor. Pitiful.

[altayvan]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

If your going to call someone a traitor just do it. Don't try and show off by using Google definition synonyms of traitor. Pitiful.

Who is he betraying? Your mother?

[beautifulthailand99]

https://archive.ph/AYw28

 

Oh well it the US/Russo Alliance - war game that and screw me sideways, that kind of backflip wasn't on my bingo list for this year. How turns have tabled.

 

 

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

https://archive.ph/AYw28

 

Oh well it the US/Russo Alliance - war game that and screw me sideways, that kind of backflip wasn't on my bingo list for this year. How turns have tabled.

 

 

I would rather a US/Russia alliance than a Russia/China alliance. 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

I would rather a US/Russia alliance than a Russia/China alliance. 

It could well be a Russo/US/China Oligarchic Tea Party the way things are going.

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, altayvan said:

Who is he betraying? Your mother?

Ridiculous comment. The poster used the term quisling instead of simply stating traitor/collaborator which is what quisling means. I suggest you keep up. New word for me I must say and a word I will never have the need to or want to use. As I said Google. Pitiful. Simply pitiful.

[Lacessit]

22 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

He wants the war to end so does Putin and Zelenskyy has no choice. End the war or lose the war. This is why Zeleskyy's position at the bargaining table is not one of strength. This is the reality on the battlefield. Russia is winning the war as it is. Anyone who disagrees to why Russia isn't winning the war I look forward to your non-deflection comments. Probably this post will just get the usual emojis from those that won't or can't answer the question. Here it is in black and white. Who is winning the war?

It's a stalemate. The Russians are making slow headway in ground gained, at the cost of a ruined economy.

 

86 Russian men to 100 Russian women means the Russian demographic is collapsing.

 

Russia will win if Trump stabs Ukraine in the back.

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

It could well be a Russo/US/China Oligarchic Tea Party the way things are going.

Nooooo! Trump does not like Xi.

[beautifulthailand99]

Just now, dinsdale said:

Nooooo! Trump does not like Xi.

But Elon does and has massive investments in country - that and Xi will roll out the red carpet like never before for DT 's , stays in Palaces, epic flybys, and military parades and gifts. He is easy to please and even easier to offend.

[scottiejohn]

42 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO you might be looking for the word quisling. There's a few on this thread.

And a big fat orange one in the White House!

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

And a big fat orange one in the White House!

Benedict Arnold and the British, Trump and Russia.

 

History repeats itself.

[scottiejohn]

35 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If your going to call someone a traitor just do it. Don't try and show off by using Google definition synonyms of traitor. Pitiful.

Why do you complain about the use of synonyms? I thought they expanded one's vocabulary!

Don't you teach/allow them at your school!

I suspect that you don't like the word Quisling as it seems to many to be much more emotive than traitor!

[nauseus]

11 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Ukraine help US in their Irag war with ground troops. US had the most declared wars since WW2. 

 

Ukraine's contingent in Iraq formed a limited part of the coalition peace-keeping forces, authorized by a UN mandate in 2004, comprising of military elements from several countries, including Thailand. The Ukrainian involvement came after the main invasion by the USA and the UK, with support from Australia and Poland.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

It's a stalemate. The Russians are making slow headway in ground gained, at the cost of a ruined economy.

 

86 Russian men to 100 Russian women means the Russian demographic is collapsing.

 

Russia will win if Trump stabs Ukraine in the back.

Absolute rubbish. The eastern front is moving west and for winter doing it pretty fast. Look at some war maps before you spout more of your unfounded comments. You don't have a clue so why make out you do. Russian troops are taking more and more strategic areas of eastern Ukraine. This is a fact. Russia has a much larger population to draw on for troops than Ukraine. This is another fact. As for male to female ratio Ukraine will be in trouble in the future as the 25-45 year old male population is being decimated on the battlefield. The war needs to end. Trump is trying to do this. 

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I would rather a US/Russia alliance than a Russia/China alliance. 

China would rather the U.S. back wars of invasion.

[Chomper Higgot]

Now that Trump is calling Zelenskyy a Dictator, there’s a more than even odds he swivel to back him.

[Lacessit]

44 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If your going to call someone a traitor just do it. Don't try and show off by using Google definition synonyms of traitor. Pitiful.

The words I use come from a good education and extensive reading, I don't need Google for any of them.

 

Vidkun Quisling was a Norwegian who collaborated with Nazi Germany. His name became a byword for treason. He was executed by firing squad in 1945.

 

Perhaps if you spent more time reading history, and less time posting ad hominem......

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Absolute rubbish. The eastern front is moving west and for winter doing it pretty fast. Look at some war maps before you spout more of your unfounded comments. You don't have a clue so why make out you do. Russian troops are taking more and more strategic areas of eastern Ukraine. This is a fact. Russia has a much larger population to draw on for troops than Ukraine. This is another fact. As for male to female ratio Ukraine will be in trouble in the future as the 25-45 year old male population is being decimated on the battlefield. The war needs to end. Trump is trying to do this. 

Try showing the advances Russia has made from an independent source, rather than spouting Russian propaganda.

 

If Russia has so many troops, why does it need North Koreans?

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Why do you complain about the use of synonyms? I thought they expanded one's vocabulary!

Don't you teach/allow them at your school!

I suspect that you don't like the word Quisling as it seems to many to be much more emotive than traitor!

Yes, synonyms are good. Not so useful when the majority of people don't know what you're saying though. Tell me how many times have you used the word quisling. My guess is never. Do you even know what it means? I'll guarantee you the poster doesn't and simply searched for traitor/synonym. So next time you try your little puerile personal attacks try thinking a bit more about them. As for more emotive than traitor you demonstrate that you haven't even looked it up.

quis·ling

/ˈkwizliNG/

noun

noun: quisling; plural noun: quislings

a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.

Tell me how this applies to this thread.

 

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

 I'll guarantee you the poster doesn't and simply searched for traitor/synonym.

 

 

Wrong. I didn't have to search for it, just as I don't have to search for words like ecdysiast or hermeneutics. It comes from reading way outside your comic book range.

 

I don't have to search for the word imbecile either.

[dinsdale]

31 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't have to search for the word imbecile either.

I guess you don't. As for "comic book range" (comics of course not being books but I'm sure you know that) the four volumes of Journey to the West was one of my favourites.  TV adaptation was Monkey. Great show. I worked in my university library for several years during and after my degree. I've read a lot of books in my time. More than I can remember. Not anymore though. Lord of the Rings probably my favourite. I have the full trilogy in hardback. I've read the bible cover to cover, I've read Das Kapital cover to cover, Mein Kampf cover to cover and really the list goes on. Non fiction/academic and fiction. Comics I sort of gave up on when I was a kid. Loved them back then but grew out of them.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

Notwithstanding the fact that Russia has started a war on the EU's doorstep, she also regularly engages in actions to undermine the stability of the EU and some of the EU member states. Reason enough for the EU to be wary of her.

 

If the heads of  government of those countries feel that their values are more aligned with modern day Russia than those of the EU then they should leave the bloc.

 

There's a reason to engage a "tired old cold war mentality". It's because Putin is nothing more than an unreconstructed Soviet dictator. I cannot for the life of me why anyone from the West would act as an apologist for him.

And what proof is there that Russia regularly undermined the stability of the EU, what did they  do specifically that you have physical verified proof of?

The EU were all happily talking Russian gas for years and even  built  second pipeline,  the US wanted part of that business, trump and Biden were pretty clear without actually directly saying it. Then suddenly Ukriane  kicks of and instantly US shuts down nord, then the US blew it up, imagine for 1second if that had been Russia sabotaging a US allied pipeline ?

 

That your problem, you are from the west so have no idea how or what Putin thinks other than what your western infrormation/propaganda/media channels tell you.

You also have no idea why some one would vote for Trump, which is exactly why he won, so yes, you are out of touch and have evil dictator cold war mentality.

[scottiejohn]

21 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Tell me how many times have you used the word quisling. My guess is never. Do you even know what it means?

You do love to make totally unfounded assumptions about the posters you respond to.

 

As an ex Military Officer of 28 years service I of course know what it means and hence my comment about it being more emotive than just using the word traitor.

 

As a side-line I must comment that I would hate to be a kid in your school during a discussion if the responses you give to poster's replies on here are any indication as to how you conduct responses to such discussions.

 

BTW what subject(s) do you teach and to what level?

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

You do love to make totally unfounded assumptions about the posters you respond to.

 

As an ex Military Officer of 28 years service I of course know what it means and hence my comment about it being more emotive than just using the word traitor.

 

As a side-line I must comment that I would hate to be a kid in your school during a discussion if the responses you give to poster's replies on here are any indication as to how you conduct responses to such discussions.

 

BTW what subject(s) do you teach and to what level?

Tell me how it relates to this thread. Who is the collaborator on the ground in either Ukraine or Russia. I posted the definition. As for your attempts at personal attacks it's water off a duck's back mate. You'll have to do better with your pitiful baiting attempts.  

[RayC]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

He wants the war to end so does Putin and Zelenskyy has no choice. End the war or lose the war. This is why Zeleskyy's position at the bargaining table is not one of strength. This is the reality on the battlefield. Russia is winning the war as it is. Anyone who disagrees to why Russia isn't winning the war I look forward to your non-deflection comments. Probably this post will just get the usual emojis from those that won't or can't answer the question. Here it is in black and white. Who is winning the war?

 

Russia may be winning the war at the moment but the momentum might change if NATO were to put boots on the ground.

 

A high-risk strategy but is it any worse than the total appeasement of a dictatorial expansionist which is what Trump is currently offering?