Zelinsky: The End Is Near

[simple1]

40 minutes ago, bangadang said:

Unelected is unelected? You Dems can't have it both ways.

 

Under the Ukraine law it is permitted to put on hold elections whilst at war. Actually UK did the same think during WW!! and I assume most other countries.

[rough diamond]

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I do not like a lot of Trump's behavior, and there are some things his administrations have done that I don't like

Then why not list that behaviour rather than your continuous unwavering and apparently blinkered support for him?

[ChicagoExpat]

44 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I do not like a lot of Trump's behavior, and there are some things his administrations have done that I don't like, but: What are some of the many "problems with the way Trump's administration gets things done"?

DOGE is a great example.  OK in concept, horrible in execution -- firing thousands of people while having no idea what they actually do and then having to recall them when someone tells DOGE that we need nuclear inspectors, the cooked website of alleged savings that's off by billions of dollars, the absurd emails to Federal employees, storing classified data on unclassified servers manned by people without security clearances, gutting the National Park Service, cutting the staff of the agency that regulates Tesla, acting while having no legal authority, et al.

 

There are smarter ways to get this done -- and either way it's going to be brutal as lots of people are losing their livelihoods -- but ignorance, corruption, and malice are a toxic brew.

[ChicagoExpat]

35 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Under the Ukraine law it is permitted to put on hold elections whilst at war. Actually UK did the same think during WW!! and I assume most other countries.

With the great difference that a chunk of the country wasn't being held by the Nazis.  Do you really think they would have held elections if the Nazis held Scotland, and had annexed Wales?  How do you cast votes under daily bombardment?  

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

DOGE is a great example.  OK in concept, horrible in execution -- firing thousands of people while having no idea what they actually do and then having to recall them when someone tells DOGE that we need nuclear inspectors, the cooked website of alleged savings that's off by billions of dollars, the absurd emails to Federal employees, storing classified data on unclassified servers manned by people without security clearances, gutting the National Park Service, cutting the staff of the agency that regulates Tesla, acting while having no legal authority, et al.

 

There are smarter ways to get this done -- and either way it's going to be brutal as lots of people are losing their livelihoods -- but ignorance, corruption, and malice are a toxic brew.

Early days. By year end the savings will be massive. Rome wasn't built in a day son. People expect things fixed in 2 weeks. Life isn't like that 

[Harrisfan]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

With the great difference that a chunk of the country wasn't being held by the Nazis.  Do you really think they would have held elections if the Nazis held Scotland, and had annexed Wales?  How do you cast votes under daily bombardment?  

Russia has 20%. Hold an election in the west.

[simple1]

1 minute ago, ChicagoExpat said:

With the great difference that a chunk of the country wasn't being held by the Nazis.  Do you really think they would have held elections if the Nazis held Scotland, and had annexed Wales?  How do you cast votes under daily bombardment?  

 

Exactly

[ChicagoExpat]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Russia has 20%. Hold an election in the west.

So how would an election in only part of the country be valid?  Can the U.S. hold an election with only 40 states participating?

[Yellowtail]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

DOGE is a great example.  OK in concept, horrible in execution -- firing thousands of people while having no idea what they actually do and then having to recall them when someone tells DOGE that we need nuclear inspectors, the cooked website of alleged savings that's off by billions of dollars, the absurd emails to Federal employees, storing classified data on unclassified servers manned by people without security clearances, gutting the National Park Service, cutting the staff of the agency that regulates Tesla, acting while having no legal authority, et al.

How many were fired, and how many had to be recalled? 

Nuclear waste inspectors. And how many? 

Asking people to list five bullet points of what they did the week before is absurd? 

Off billions of savings per who, and out of how much? 

How do comparatively few terminations in the national park service constitute gutting it? 

Everything they have been doing is (so far) legal and constitutional. 

 

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

 

There are smarter ways to get this done -- and either way it's going to be brutal as lots of people are losing their livelihoods -- but ignorance, corruption, and malice are a toxic brew.

So, getting fired is okay when they are nice about it?

 

While I read about it, I see no evidence of ignorance, corruption, and malice. 

 

[Harrisfan]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

So how would an election in only part of the country be valid?  Can the U.S. hold an election with only 40 states participating?

Yes because Russia now own that 20%. It ain't coming back.

[ChicagoExpat]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Early days. By year end the savings will be massive. Rome wasn't built in a day son. People expect things fixed in 2 weeks. Life isn't like that 

I hope so, if they can do it smarter, with less malice, and less corruption.  But I doubt it.

 

Also, there's no way Trump and Musk remain allies for long.  Two gigantic megalomaniacs can't remain friends, and Musk will get bored soon enough with it.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

I hope so, if they can do it smarter, with less malice, and less corruption.  But I doubt it.

 

Also, there's no way Trump and Musk remain allies for long.  Two gigantic megalomaniacs can't remain friends, and Musk will get bored soon enough with it.

4 year term. Expecting miracles in a few weeks. Incredible. The 24/7 news cycle has ruined the thinking of modern man.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, stevenl said:

Trump refused to guarantee security.

Deflecting.

It was a trap, so that Ukraine could involve the US directly. Trump quite rightly refused to be suckered by Zelensky.

[thaibeachlovers]

51 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Under the Ukraine law it is permitted to put on hold elections whilst at war. Actually UK did the same think during WW!! and I assume most other countries.

If that is supposed to be WW2, you are wrong. They had a coalition government for the war.

Britain had an election during WW1, which Lloyd George won.

Didn't the US have an election during WW2?

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6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was a trap, so that Ukraine could involve the US directly. Trump quite rightly refused to be suckered by Zelensky.

Very funny, and from you, expected.....................😂

[rough diamond]

56 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Under the Ukraine law it is permitted to put on hold elections whilst at war. Actually UK did the same think during WW!!

No it did not. 

Elections were held in the UK in July 1945 before the end of the war when the coalition fell apart and Churchill was kicked out.

[frank83628]

46 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

DOGE is a great example.  OK in concept, horrible in execution -- firing thousands of people while having no idea what they actually do and then having to recall them when someone tells DOGE that we need nuclear inspectors, the cooked website of alleged savings that's off by billions of dollars, the absurd emails to Federal employees, storing classified data on unclassified servers manned by people without security clearances, gutting the National Park Service, cutting the staff of the agency that regulates Tesla, acting while having no legal authority, et al.

 

There are smarter ways to get this done -- and either way it's going to be brutal as lots of people are losing their livelihoods -- but ignorance, corruption, and malice are a toxic brew.

What total nonsense, they have all necessary clearences, that whole comment just shows exactly how deluded the MSM followers are, oblivious to being lied to. absolutely pathetic

[rough diamond]

42 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yes because Russia now own that 20%. It ain't coming back.

Russia does not own any part of Ukraine. 

It has invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine illegally.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Russia does not own any part of Ukraine. 

If only Obama had done something when Putin stole Crimea. 

2 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

It has invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine illegally.

Yes, most if not all of us agree Russia invaded Ukraine illegally, I know I do. 

 

So, Zelensky had the backing of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

What is the way forward?

 

Do you think morons protesting Vance skiing with his family want to get over there and fight for Ukraine? 

 

Do you think European parents want their kids to go fight in Russia? 

 

What is the way forward if not a peace agreement? 

[rough diamond]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What is the way forward?

Support Ukraine and stop appeasing Putin.

[rough diamond]

53 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

The 24/7 news cycle has ruined the thinking of modern man.

We know that from the lack of quality in your continuously repetitive and nonsensical posts.

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Support Ukraine and stop appeasing Putin.

And bring a rainbow down to join the counties with love. 

 

Support Ukraine how? Again, Zelensky had the support of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

 

[sharot724]

9 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

Absolutely no point in debating this further with you.  Like most Trump supporters........you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

 

However - to rebutt your point.  It is well known that Ukraine suffered from huge corruption - they have been trying to deal with it but just as it is in Thailand, its not something you can stop overnight.  Its also a hangover from the break up of the USSR. Where do you think all the oligarchs came from?  The people of Ukraine made ot clear what they wanted in 2013.

 

I'd also like to point out to you that defence is not warmongering - Putin should not and must not be rewarded for his expansionist aggression.  If that means war - so be it.  You can take it up the ..... if you like.

 

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

 

All the leftists here quit actually arguing years ago. All they do anymore is regurgitate leftist talking points and inane memes. 

 

How nice it would be to have an honest discussion. 

[jvs]

55 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

No it did not. 

Elections were held in the UK in July 1945 before the end of the war when the coalition fell apart and Churchill was kicked out.

A total lie!

 

[sharot724]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

All the leftists here quit actually arguing years ago. All they do anymore is regurgitate leftist talking points and inane memes. 

 

How nice it would be to have an honest discussion. 

 

You need to listen up...

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

All the leftists here quit actually arguing years ago. All they do anymore is regurgitate leftist talking points and inane memes. 

 

How nice it would be to have an honest discussion. 

They are keyboard warriors.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, sharot724 said:

 

You need to listen up...

Finally Euros growing a pair

[rough diamond]

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

A total lie!

 

Your comment above is a terminological in-exactitude! (a lie to you).

5 July 1945

The 1945 election marked a watershed in British history. The successful Conservative wartime leader, Sir Winston Churchill, was defeated by Clement Attlee's Labour Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/background/pastelec/ge45.shtml

[transam]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

They are keyboard warriors.

You're a lefty then, you never stop, Dolf................🤔