If Obama and Biden were not Putin puppets, the war would never have started, and Ukraine would still have Crimea. 

 

But but but orange man bad

On 3/5/2025 at 11:07 PM, BKKKevin said:

I doubt any MAGA can stomach this truth but this is a pretty good summary…

 

The word, truth, and MSDNC do not belong in the same sentance.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the cowards are those that want the war, but will not join up. Trump doesn't want the war.

I take it from that ridiculous statement that you are young enough to join up as are all the members you are deriding?

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the cowards are those that want the war, but will not join up. Trump doesn't want the war.

 duplicate post

3 hours ago, SlappyMc said:

The word, truth, and MSDNC do not belong in the same sentance.

How sad it must be - believing that scientists, scholars, historians, economists, and journalists have devoted their entire lives to deceiving you, while a reality tv star with decades of fraud and exhaustively documented lying is your only beacon of truth and honesty…

27 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

How sad it must be - believing that scientists, scholars, historians, economists, and journalists have devoted their entire lives to deceiving you, while a reality tv star with decades of fraud and exhaustively documented lying is your only beacon of truth and honesty…

How sad it must be - believing that MSNBC is staffed with scientists, scholars, historians, economists, and journalists. 

 

 

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

If Obama and Biden were not Putin puppets, the war would never have started, and Ukraine would still have Crimea. 

 

But but but orange man bad

 

Anyone who doesn't recognize Victoria Nuland instigated this war at NATO and Obama's behest is being intentionally obtuse. Get rid of the globalists who overthrew the legitimate Ukrainian government in 2014, and there is no war.

12 hours ago, uncletiger said:

 

Anyone who doesn't recognize Victoria Nuland instigated this war at NATO and Obama's behest is being intentionally obtuse. Get rid of the globalists who overthrew the legitimate Ukrainian government in 2014, and there is no war.

Obama and Hillary did love them some Putin.

 

Remember in the Debate when Romney claimed Russian was the greatest geopolitical threat, and Obama scoffing and joking; Senator, the '80s called and want their foreign policy back. 

Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for "space" until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense, and Obama cancelling missile defense after he was reelected. 

Remember the "Russian Reset".

Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Remember Obama did nothing in 2014 when Putin invaded and began the occupation of Crimea. 

 

Then Trump places sanctions on Russia. 
Then Trump kills 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria.
Then Trump begins shipping arms, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine. 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan, emboldening Putin. 
Now remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion, further emboldening Putin. 

 

When did the left start caring about Ukraine anyways? The left seemed to care nothing about Ukraine until it became politically expedient for them to use in attacking Trump and to pretend Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

The American left would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump. 
 

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Obama and Hillary did love them some Putin.

 

Remember in the Debate when Romney claimed Russian was the greatest geopolitical threat, and Obama scoffing and joking; Senator, the '80s called and want their foreign policy back. 

Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for "space" until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense, and Obama cancelling missile defense after he was reelected. 

Remember the "Russian Reset".

Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Remember Obama did nothing in 2014 when Putin invaded and began the occupation of Crimea. 

 

Then Trump places sanctions on Russia. 
Then Trump kills 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria.
Then Trump begins shipping arms, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine. 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan, emboldening Putin. 
Now remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion, further emboldening Putin. 

 

When did the left start caring about Ukraine anyways? The left seemed to care nothing about Ukraine until it became politically expedient for them to use in attacking Trump and to pretend Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

The American left would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump. 
 

 

Well done for imagining what "left" people would or would not want. And nice (completely irrelevant) ramblings about Obama and Biden. It really amuses me how you guys are so black and white. Democrats = bad, Republicans = good, and you will view any single piece of news through those goggles no matter what. It's actually quite sad.

 

Here you go: if Trump negotiates a fair and just peace then I will say "well done". If he negotiates a peace that has Ukraine ceding territory to Russia or mining rights to the US than I will say he is appeasing Putin and his friends and that's his main objective. I kind of pity your blind faith that Trump is doing things out of the goodness of his heart and not for his own - or Putin's own - interests. If I am proved to be wrong I will happily hold my hands up and say so.

Blind trust gets you nowhere, trying having a little objectivity in your life.

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Well done for imagining what "left" people would or would not want. And nice (completely irrelevant) ramblings about Obama and Biden. It really amuses me how you guys are so black and white. Democrats = bad, Republicans = good, and you will view any single piece of news through those goggles no matter what. It's actually quite sad.

Of course, Obama and Biden's appeasement of Putin are irrelevant, because orange man bad. 

 

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Here you go: if Trump negotiates a fair and just peace then I will say "well done". If he negotiates a peace that has Ukraine ceding territory to Russia or mining rights to the US than I will say he is appeasing Putin and his friends and that's his main objective. I kind of pity your blind faith that Trump is doing things out of the goodness of his heart and not for his own - or Putin's own - interests. If I am proved to be wrong I will happily hold my hands up and say so.

As I said, The American left you would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump. 

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Blind trust gets you nowhere, trying having a little objectivity in your life.

That's a hoot coming from you. 

15 hours ago, BKKKevin said:

How sad it must be - believing that scientists, scholars, historians, economists, and journalists have devoted their entire lives to deceiving you, while a reality tv star with decades of fraud and exhaustively documented lying is your only beacon of truth and honesty…

I believe that SOME scientists, scholars, historians, economists, have devoted their lives careers to deceiving us ( MSM doesn't report on the ones with the "wrong" opinions ).

 

It's entirely possible to believe that both the above and Trump are trolling us.