If you are going to take or oppose that position, you need to have some knowledge of the area and its history.

 

Here you go, learn something, the maps are excellent

 

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ghost-of-polands-past

I agree. Fake country. Merge part with Poland and give the rest to Russia. Let locals pick their new real country.

Iran doesnt need to be a country either, if the US really wanted it so

21 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Iran doesnt need to be a country either, if the US really wanted it so

Thats coming soon.

 

Have you guys noticed the lack of a certain word on most of those maps? Ukraine? Huh.

And you are not educated.

37 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I agree. Fake country. Merge part with Poland and give the rest to Russia. Let locals pick their new real country.

Does your ignorance on everything drops out of your ears or nose?

1 minute ago, bubblegum said:

Does your ignorance on everything drops out of your ears or nose?

You did not know Ukraine was part of Austria and Poland. So ignorant.

Kiev is roughly 600 years older than Moskou you ignorant twit.

Ukraine was part of Poland for several centuries, particularly during the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth period. After the Union of Lublin in 1569, which united the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Ukrainian lands transitioned under Polish administration, becoming part of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland.46

During the 14th century, parts of western Ukraine, such as Galicia, were annexed by Poland, while other regions were under the rule of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. By the mid-15th century, the greater part of the Ukrainian territories was detached from Lithuania and annexed directly to Poland

Just a self ruling district of the ol' USSR.

 

As are these also now ... 

...  Belarus, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan.

Ukraine was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, specifically the western territories known as Galicia, Carpathia, and Northern Bukovina, which are now part of modern Ukraine's western oblasts including Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil, Chernivtsi, and Zakarpattia.13

During World War I, the region of Western Ukraine was a battleground between the Russian and Austro-Hungarian Empires. The Russian army successfully captured the lowland territory of Galicia, pushing the Austrians back to the Carpathian ridge.24

After the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1918, these territories became part of the newly formed Ukrainian National Republic.

6 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

And you are not educated.

Who is not educated? Would you not agree with the premise that there never was a Ukraine until Bolshevik time?

4 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Kiev is roughly 600 years older than Moskou you ignorant twit.

It was called the Kievan Rus. Was that the Ukraine?

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Just a self ruling district of the ol' USSR.

 

As are these also now ... 

...  Belarus, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan.

All of those countries were "conquered" countries. Ukraine never existed, except as a linguistic variation.

Just to prove their ignorance, do a simple search on the internet for Ukraine.

 

here is a history lesson for both @Yagoda and @Harrisfan.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#:~:text=Ukraine is the official full,Ukraine during 1941–1944).

 

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Yes, Ukraine is a country in Eastern Europe. It's the second largest country in Europe, after Russia. 

 

Location:

• Ukraine is located on the northern shores of the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov 
   
• It borders Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Moldova, Romania, and Russia 
   
• The capital of Ukraine is Kyiv 
   

History:

• Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (U.S.S.R.) from 1922 until 1991 
   
• Ukraine gained independence in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union 
   
• Ukraine helped found the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) 
   

 

Government: 

 

• Ukraine is a unitary semi-presidential republic
• The current president of Ukraine is Volodymyr Zelenskyy
• The current prime minister of Ukraine is Denys Shmyhal

 

Language: 

 

• The official language of Ukraine is Ukrainian

 

Economy: 

 

• Ukraine has wide, fertile agricultural plains, with large pockets of heavy industry in the east

 

https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine

 

There is a lot of information contained in those links, which of course will be decried as "fake" by the ignorant amongst some posters.

 

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And New York was New Amsterdam. Jeez by your logic the USA is not a country, just a self ruling part of Norway (Vikings) 

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Just to prove their ignorance, do a simple search on the internet for Ukraine.

 

here is a history lesson for both @Yagoda and @Harrisfan.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#:~:text=Ukraine is the official full,Ukraine during 1941–1944).

 

AI Overview

Learn more

 

Yes, Ukraine is a country in Eastern Europe. It's the second largest country in Europe, after Russia. 

 

Location:

• Ukraine is located on the northern shores of the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov 
   
• It borders Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Moldova, Romania, and Russia 
   
• The capital of Ukraine is Kyiv 
   

History:

• Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (U.S.S.R.) from 1922 until 1991 
   
• Ukraine gained independence in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union 
   
• Ukraine helped found the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) 
   

 

Government: 

 

• Ukraine is a unitary semi-presidential republic
• The current president of Ukraine is Volodymyr Zelenskyy
• The current prime minister of Ukraine is Denys Shmyhal

 

Language: 

 

• The official language of Ukraine is Ukrainian

 

Economy: 

 

• Ukraine has wide, fertile agricultural plains, with large pockets of heavy industry in the east

 

https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine

 

There is a lot of information contained in those links, which of course will be decried as "fake" by the ignorant amongst some posters.

 

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So a country since 1991 

Warring and conquering has been going on since the dawn of time. It’s only bad when white people do it though, apparently. 

Tom Cruise belongs to a religion older than the Ukraine. Nuff said.

Last time i went there in 1970 it was part of the USSR, one of 15 soviet republics, probably a better time.

8 minutes ago, proton said:

Last time i went there in 1970 it was part of the USSR, one of 15 soviet republics, probably a better time.

Is that the time they recruited you? 

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

If you are going to take or oppose that position, you need to have some knowledge of the area and its history.

 

Here you go, learn something, the maps are excellent

 

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ghost-of-polands-past

Sorry to hear that you're having another bout of the Russian flu.  I can tell it's going to be a tough one.  The symptoms are already severe.

Ukrainians have a different language and alphabet to Russia.

 

Anyone who Googles the Holodomor knows how tragic Ukraine's history is. It's the reason Ukrainians hate Russians. It was genocide, and the Russian apologists on here are beyond disgusting.

 

Both countries are Slavic. On that twisted logic, Slovakians should all be speaking Russian.

 

 

14 minutes ago, proton said:

Last time i went there in 1970 it was part of the USSR, one of 15 soviet republics, probably a better time.

I guess that's why just about every nation west of Russia pleaded to join NATO.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

If you are going to take or oppose that position, you need to have some knowledge of the area and its history.

 

Here you go, learn something, the maps are excellent

 

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ghost-of-polands-past

As usual utter nonsense from you out of your Cambodian Exile.

38 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Ukraine was part of Poland for several centuries, particularly during the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth period. After the Union of Lublin in 1569, which united the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Ukrainian lands transitioned under Polish administration, becoming part of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland.46

During the 14th century, parts of western Ukraine, such as Galicia, were annexed by Poland, while other regions were under the rule of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. By the mid-15th century, the greater part of the Ukrainian territories was detached from Lithuania and annexed directly to Poland

And the USA was part of what country before?

 

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Does your ignorance on everything drops out of your ears or nose?

 

59 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

You did not know Ukraine was part of Austria and Poland. So ignorant.

Provide a Russian-haters (generally Leftie neo-cons, but also neo-con Russian-haters in general) with factual information.  

https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ghost-of-polands-past

In return you get ad-hominid attacks and snide commentary: "Does your ignorance on everything drops out of your ears or nose?"
Go figure...

 

29 minutes ago, jvs said:

And the USA was part of what country before?

 

Since 1991? 

Gonna be a much smaller country pretty soon.  Didn't need to be that way had Zelensky signed the April 2022 Istanbul Accord, he would have kept all but Crimea.  But Boris Johnson talked him out of it and it was "War On!"  Now?  Reality on the ground is the loss of significant territory and very soon, the loss of the entire regions of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia.  And as Rubio recently noted, this has been a proxy-war between the US/West and Russia with the West's intent to strategically defeat Russia. 
Probably a good idea to sign a Peace Accord before Russia reaches the Dnieper River.  Up next?  Odessa.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

You did not know Ukraine was part of Austria and Poland. So ignorant.

As were the Czech Republic, Slovakia, large tracts of Poland, Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia and parts of Romania.

 

The Austro Hungarian Empire, which included all these countries, came spectacularly unstuck over a hundred years ago, at the end of the First World War ( which they rather foolishly started), and to the general satisfaction of most of the people's of those countries. 

 

Are you suggesting that the Czech Republic, Slovakia, large tracts of Poland, Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia and parts of Romania are also "made up countries" after all most of them were identifiable countries well before they were unwillingly incorporated into the  unwieldy "made up" Austro Hungarian Empire, and long before the United States was "made up", I do apologise, formed.

 

Incidentally, Germany, Norway, Belgium and Italy have all been "made up" in the last couple of centuries, largely to the general satisfaction of their people's.

Now I do realise that we/they ( even my foggy Island off the coast of France) are effete Euro socialists, but, we do have certain "takeaways" from the last few hundred years, one of which is that " made up empires" rarely fare well, and should in general avoid picking fights with their smaller neighbours. A point which was ignored (or not recognised) by your mascara smeared Vice President and his dissolute piss head sidekick during their recent European lecture tour!