Kremlin Slams Macron’s Nuclear Comments as ‘Confrontational’

[Purdey]

No one wants the war to continue. But how to stop Russia grabbing more land? 

[JonnyF]

Macron is writing cheques that his derriere cannot cash.

 

Classic little big man.

 

His "wife" was good in The Stone Roses though.

 

'I WANNA BE ADORED' 😀

 

 

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

If you look at the geography of Russia, most of its territory is the great European plains. These are impossible to defend, virtually. Before the fall of the USSR when Russia controlled Ukraine and the other republics it controlled territory right up to the starting point of the great European plains.

 

However, with the fall of the USSR and the subsequent enlargement of NATO, in particular the threatened accession of Ukraine to NATO, in reality NATO forces would then have moved closer to about 300 km from the nearest big Russian city. NATO would have controlled big swathes of these European plains. It would have become impossible to defend Russia.

 

Therefore when it became clear that NATO intended to welcome Ukraine into its fold, this was a major threat to Russian security. If Russia continued to hope to resist any invasion from the West it had to expand eastwards.

 

NATO is a defensive pact; there was no threat to Russia, nor any move to intervene in its politics. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

In a very dark time, it's a positive that Europe is realizing that the USA now is not their ally any more and can't be counted on for anything. The USA under wannabe autocratic God/King/Dictator Trump is clearly on the side of Russia now, actively helping Putin murder Ukrainian civilians. It's definitely a hard pill for decent Americans to swallow but swallow it we all must.

 

What a load of gobble.

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

What a load of gobble.

That all you've got?

Dude, if you deny that Trump is on Putin's side in this war, you're not living in a reality based world.

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That all you've got?

Dude, if you deny that Trump is on Putin's side in this war, you're not living in a reality based world.

 

As a summary, that's all that is required. You seem to be the dreamer here. 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

US is a democracy. Duuh

Duuh?

[black tabby12345]

What Poo-tin meant, simply giving away his  fear of NATO.

 

His best and only trade after Feb 24, 2022, was Nuke Bluff, in an attempt to scare the nations backing UA.

 

And it no longer works.

 

So all he can do now, is to be scared, instead of vice-versa.

 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Dcheech said:

Because isolationist Republican senators blocked all attempts by President Roosevelt wanted to send aid in 39 and 40, until they were able, barely able, to get  lend lease through. Something the Republican party STILL doesn't like to remember, or talk about. 

After Dec 7, those very same senators and their party, who had stopped aid from being sent to nations fighting Nazism, wrapped themselves in the flag and became, wait for it, Super Patriots.    Some things never change.

Not quite as the destroyers-for-bases deal was an agreement between the US and the UK on 2 Sep 1940, in which 50 obsolete US Navy destroyers were transferred to the Royal Navy in exchange for land rights on British possessions.
The agreement provided little military benefit to the UK.

It was valued chiefly for its diplomatic and propaganda value in demonstrating American support.
It was sharply criticised from anti-war Americans, who pointed out that the agreement violated the Neutrality Acts

[Cameroni]

45 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

NATO is a defensive pact; there was no threat to Russia, nor any move to intervene in its politics. 

 

Maybe tell that to Serbia on whom NATO dropped 11 tons of uranium in 38000 sorties of bomber planes.

 

 

[Jingthing]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

As a summary, that's all that is required. You seem to be the dreamer here. 

How is it dreaming to face up to the horrific reality that under Trump the USA is now actively helping war criminal dictator Putin and actively attacking western democracies such as Canada? 

 

When talking to magical thinking Trump worshipping magas on such matters, there are multiple layers. Do they REALIZE yet this disgusting anti-American realignment has happened? If so, do they actually SUPPORT it? Tucker Carlson has openly come out as supporting it. I consider such people as well as Trump to be traitors.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

In a very dark time, it's a positive that Europe is realizing that the USA now is not their ally any more and can't be counted on for anything. The USA under wannabe autocratic God/King/Dictator Trump is clearly on the side of Russia now, actively helping Putin murder Ukrainian civilians. It's definitely a hard pill for decent Americans to swallow but swallow it we all must.

 

"The threat of nuclear war is a good thing, because that isn't what Trump wants.  Peace is bad, because that is what Trump wants." 

 

These lefties are really out there.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

No word of upcoming war against Russia.

Just protection.

 

But if you actually think about what that means, a country could do something to Russia knowing that they have "protection" from other nuclear countries.

[rough diamond]

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

In 2014 you guys did not care about Ukraine. Trump hatred has changed your views on everything.

How can you claim you know what anyone thought about anything in 2014?

 

I will rephrase that;  How can you claim how anyone thought about anything at any time as you do not seem capable of thinking for yourself going by your constant one sided  or meaningless posts?

[rough diamond]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

The guy is clearly delusional. Russia will win the war against Ukraine and is winning it now. 

 

Without US support Ukraine has no chance.

Just what your two leaders want!

[candide]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Maybe tell that to Serbia on whom NATO dropped 11 tons of uranium in 38000 sorties of bomber planes.

 

 

Depleted uranium. Used by many countries, including Russia, to increase projectile penetration.

 

The attack on Serbia was the consequence of Serbia attacking other countries (former Y members) and slaughtering people.

[Harrisfan]

2 hours ago, Purdey said:

No one wants the war to continue. But how to stop Russia grabbing more land? 

Nobody's problem except Ukraine. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

How is it dreaming to face up to the horrific reality that under Trump the USA is now actively helping war criminal dictator Putin and actively attacking western democracies such as Canada? 

 

When talking to magical thinking Trump worshipping magas on such matters, there are multiple layers. Do they REALIZE yet this disgusting anti-American realignment has happened? If so, do they actually SUPPORT it? Tucker Carlson has openly come out as supporting it. I consider such people as well as Trump to be traitors.

 

I think that your "reality" is mainly created by your permanent hatred for Trump and I don't agree with what you say, which confuses several  separate issues; Canada and Mexico have long-standing trade (deficit) imbalances, with the fentanyl and migrant problems now also a valid concern. Ukraine is different, although I do think that the inclusion of a rare earth interest by the USA is disappointing at this time, unless that can be the way to give Ukraine more security by having American miners work in country, who will need security. I still think that Trump is keen for a peace in Ukraine over all else and that he will not abandon NATO.

[Cameroni]

34 minutes ago, candide said:

Depleted uranium. Used by many countries, including Russia, to increase projectile penetration.

 

The attack on Serbia was the consequence of Serbia attacking other countries (former Y members) and slaughtering people.

 

Was Kosovo a member of NATO at the time?

 

Was Albania a member of NATO at the time?

 

No. So even without any NATO member being attacked NATO saw fit to bomb Serbia.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I think that your "reality" is mainly created by your permanent hatred for Trump and I don't agree with what you say, which confuses several  separate issues; Canada and Mexico have long-standing trade (deficit) imbalances, with the fentanyl and migrant problems now also a valid concern. Ukraine is different, although I do think that the inclusion of a rare earth interest by the USA is disappointing at this time, unless that can be the way to give Ukraine more security by having American miners work in country, who will need security. I still think that Trump is keen for a peace in Ukraine over all else and that he will not abandon NATO.

Another weak tea attempt at sane washing an unhinged madman.

[jas007]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

In a very dark time, it's a positive that Europe is realizing that the USA now is not their ally any more and can't be counted on for anything. The USA under wannabe autocratic God/King/Dictator Trump is clearly on the side of Russia now, actively helping Putin murder Ukrainian civilians. It's definitely a hard pill for decent Americans to swallow but swallow it we all must.

Putin has said repeatedly that he's not going to stop the war until there's an agreed deal, but that once a deal is reached, hostilities will cease that very minute.  Russia has had a hard time fighting this war, and it's hardly conceivable that it might pose any kind of real threat to the rest of Europe. The Soviet Union just about went bankrupt trying to hold the old regime together.  They won't repeat that mistake. Anyone suggesting otherwise is brainwashed.  And that's unfortunate.  WWIII would pretty much mean the end of the world as we know it.. 

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Another weak tea attempt at sane washing an unhinged madman.

 

I mean I do get why you don't like Trump, I really do. But to paint him as a madman, it's not helping your case. It's too over the top. Maybe try more targeted attacks.

 

This smacks of laziness. I know you can do a lot better.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Completely different.

The USA and Russia were both fighting the Nazis.

Now the USA and Russia are fascists fighting democracies.

I think it would be more correct to say Trump has joined what both Mike Johnson and Mitch McConnell referred to as the Axis of Evil.

 

 

[Cameroni]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I think it would be more correct to say Trump has joined what both Mike Johnson and Mitch McConnell referred to as the Axis of Evil.

 

 

 

Ah Trump is not just a "madman", he is also Hitler? Or Mussolini? I'm confused.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Ah Trump is not just a "madman", he is also Hitler? Or Mussolini? I'm confused.

You do seem to be.

 

These not claims I have ever made.

[rough diamond]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Ah Trump is not just a "madman", he is also Hitler? Or Mussolini? I'm confused.

We know you are not confused as you only ever read and post scripts from either your master or his master, or both.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You do seem to be.

 

These not claims I have ever made.

Stopping war is bad. The left is mad.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Stopping war is bad. The left is mad.

Can you please provide details of or evidence that Trump has presented a peace plan or indeed that Zelensky has rejected any peace plan offered by Trump?

 

 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Another weak tea attempt at sane washing an unhinged madman.

 

See what I mean?

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you please provide details of or evidence that Trump has presented a peace plan or indeed that Zelensky has rejected any peace plan offered by Trump?

 

 

Why do you care?