Ukraine must cede territory in peace talks, says US

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Ukraine must give up land to Russia as part of any agreement to end the war, US secretary of state Marco Rubio has suggested.  “I think both sides need to come to an understanding that there’s no military solution to this situation,” Mr Rubio told reporters as he flew to Saudi Arabia for crunch talks with Ukrainian officials on Tuesday.

“The Russians can’t conquer all of Ukraine, and obviously it’ll be very difficult for Ukraine in any reasonable time period to sort of force the Russians back all the way to where they were in 2014.”

Mr Rubio earlier said the American ban on sending weapons and intelligence to Ukraine could be lifted tomorrow if the Saudi meeting goes well.
Washington’s top diplomat said the White House first needed to understand what concessions Kyiv would be willing to make before restarting military aid, adding that Ukraine must be “prepared to do difficult things, like the Russians will.”

“I think the notion of the pause in aid, broadly, is something I hope we can resolve. Obviously what happens tomorrow will be key to that,” he told reporters.

Ukraine will propose a ceasefire covering the Black Sea and long-range missile strikes, as well as prisoner releases, in talks with US secretary of state Marco Rubio in Saudi Arabia, two senior Ukrainian officials said. The officials said Ukraine’s delegation is ready to sign an agreement giving the United States access to Ukraine’s rare minerals during Tuesday’s meeting in Jeddah, a deal president Donald Trump has sought.

The measures come as Kyiv works to repair relations following the Feb. 28 Oval Office row between Volodymyr Zelensky and Mr Trump. 
US military aid and intelligence support remain paused as Washington pushes for peace.

The US secretary of state said he and national security adviser Mike Waltz would assess Ukraine’s position. He said: “What we want to know is, are they interested entering some sort of peace conversation and general outlines of the kinds of things they could consider.”

 

Zelensky apologised to Trump for Oval Office row, Witkoff says
Volodymyr Zelensky has apologised to Donald Trump in a letter for their White House row. Mr Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff said: “Zelensky sent a letter to the president. He apologised for that whole incident that happened in the Oval Office.” He called the letter “an important step” amid ongoing discussions between American, Ukrainian and European officials. 

Mr Witkoff said: “I think that it was an important step and there’s been a lot of discussion between our teams and the Ukrainians and the Europeans who are relevant to this discussion as well.” Last month’s confrontation flared over differing visions of how to end Russia’s three-year-old invasion, with Zelensky seeking strong security guarantees from a Trump administration that has embraced diplomacy with Vladimir Putin.

 

Based on a report by The Telegraph  2025-03-11

 

 

[hotsun]

A world without war, i thought thats what the majority of folks wanted. Turns out not, as long as the keyboard warriors here arent the ones fighting

[Chomper Higgot]

Yup, Trump doing exactly what Putin wants.

 

Again.

 

 

[bkk6060]

Ukraine will be Russia within 2 years.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Ukraine will be Russia within 2 years.

I believe the original plan was 3 days.

 

How did that go?

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yup, Trump doing exactly what Putin wants.

 

Again.

 

Had Obama and Biden not been so feckless and weak, Putin may not have even taken Crimea. 

 

How much did he take under Trump's watch?

 

[billd766]

WTF has it got to do with the USA.

 

The Ukraine is NOT a US territory, and the USA is no longer trusted in the real world.

 

IMHO the USA is, or was, simply a supplier.

 

They have NO right or authority to speak on behalf of the Ukraine. legally and certainly not morally.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Had Obama and Biden not been so feckless and weak, Putin may not have even taken Crimea. 

 

How much did he take under Trump's watch?

 

But but but Obama …. Biden.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But but but Obama …. Biden.

 

Are you claiming that they weren't so feckless and weak that they emboldened Putin?

 

You're blaming Trump because you don't like the way he's cleaning up their mess.  Better to just say thanks for stopping the killing and walking the world back from Armageddon that their disastrous policies allowed to start.

 

 

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yup, Trump doing exactly what Putin wants.

 

Again.

 

 

Ok. So what's your genius solution? I continue to say that Ukraine is losing more ground daily, in fact last week I posited that Ukrainian troops in Kursk may be in danger of being cut off and surrounded. This is now appearing to be on the cards. So come on. What's your solution? All you do is say Trump is Putin's lackey. Analysts and people in the know knew this would be the case, indeed some posters on here including myself have been saying Ukraine will have to give up land. This is the realty of the situation. My guess is your response to this post will be calling me a Putin sympathizer.

[Autocan]

Russians won't agree to a ceasefire. Hard truth is they are winning on the ground and have little incentive to stop till they have taken all land east of Dniepr and cut Ukraine off from the Black Sea.

 

Think of it from their POV. A ceasefire now would help only Ukraine who would start rebuilding furiously a la Minsk 1 and 2. Trump? They work well with him but any guarantees he gives last till 2028, after which it's quite possible a neocon Admin comes back.

 

No, Russia prefers to keep the war going till they have reduced Ukraine to a landlocked rump state, never again to be a threat. But I am cautiously pessimistic.

[Dcheech]

34 minutes ago, impulse said:

Are you claiming that they weren't so feckless and weak that they emboldened Putin?

No,  we are claiming that Donald Trump is a soviet, er, Russian asset, either through honey trapping and money investment in his golf courses & resorts when US & western banks would not, likely both. Putin owns him & his MAGA heads.      Capeesh 

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, Dcheech said:

No,  we are claiming that Donald Trump is a soviet, er, Russian asset, either through honey trapping and money investment in his golf courses & resorts when US & western banks would not, likely both. Putin owns him & his MAGA heads.      Capeesh 

Trump is a billionaire. 

[Yagoda]

Ukraine is not a country so whatever. Stop shooting its bad for business.

[Emdog]

"Ukraine doesn't have the cards" says Mr. "Art of the deal". Trump has handed the entire deck to Mr Putin... "Just tell me what to kiss and how much" is how Trump deals with Putin

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, Emdog said:

"Ukraine doesn't have the cards" says Mr. "Art of the deal". Trump has handed the entire deck to Mr Putin... "Just tell me what to kiss and how much" is how Trump deals with Putin

Ukraine has 80%. 

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, Emdog said:

"Ukraine doesn't have the cards" says Mr. "Art of the deal". Trump has handed the entire deck to Mr Putin... "Just tell me what to kiss and how much" is how Trump deals with Putin

Russia would sure be handy in our competition with China wouldnt it? Yeah, peace and quiet on the Russian border, an armed and manly Europe (hahahah), lots of cool metals from Ukraine and Russia staring across the Amur at China.

 

Vlad is a filthy scumbag, but he isnt stupid. He cant beat the West and he better look East. Dont think that isnt going to be part of the talks. 

 

You simplistic analysis based on Trump derangement has no basis.

[Tropicalevo]

3 hours ago, Social Media said:

Ukraine must give up land to Russia as part of any agreement to end the war, US secretary of state Marco Rubio has suggested.

FFS Why?

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

FFS Why?

They stole land from the Russians, didnt they?

[metisdead]

An off topic deflection post about Native Americans and the replies have been removed.

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

2 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Trump must return Native American lands to the Native American peoples.  Your views Donald and James Donald?

Which lands to which ones?

 

Should he give it back to the Lakota, or to the Apache that they stole it from, or the other tribes they stole it from?

 

And what of the lands we bought from the French, the Spanish and the Russkies?  Shouldn't they be the ones paying reparations?  Good luck with that...

 

It's not as if they'd be living their warlike utopia (where they were killing the heck out of each other for centuries) had the USA never even been formed.  Some other power with western tech would be calling the shots.

 

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

hould he give it back to the Lakota,

Which ones? Hunkpapas, Sans Arc, Oglalla? What about the Lakota and the Nakota? Should they pay reparations to the Arikara and Crow? 

 

The dumbest thing on planet earth is the concept that if you just walk on it, you own it. 

[impulse]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

WTF has it got to do with the USA.

 

The Ukraine is NOT a US territory, and the USA is no longer trusted in the real world.

 

IMHO the USA is, or was, simply a supplier.

 

They have NO right or authority to speak on behalf of the Ukraine. legally and certainly not morally.

 

He's not.  He's talking about whether the USA is going to continue spending our tax dollars on a lost war that's an ocean away. 

 

Ukraine can keep fighting until the last one is dead if they want.  But that would be a tragedy of epic scale.  And we won't be paying for it.  

 

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Ukraine is not a country so whatever.

Ah, "big lie", shout it from the rooftops!

[metisdead]

Posts using derogatory and toxic nicknames or intentional misspelling of people’s names will be removed. If you don’t want your post to be removed, spell people’s names correctly, this applies to both sides of the political debate.

 

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[puck2]

17 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Hope it improves your speeling and gramar, to.  It's hard to take seriously a post typed so fast and furiously that I have to figure out what the guy means.

 

 

My experience:

if people don't like or don't want to understand a comment, than they refer to "speeling and gramar" -

 2 "speeling" mistakes in your short sentence . What a joke!

[Eric Loh]

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

Ukraine must give up land to Russia as part of any agreement to end the war, US secretary of state Marco Rubio has suggested.  “

Have you asked the people whose land are occupied by Russia if they want to be part of Russia. I mean a real referendum and not the fake one that Russia hastily arranged in Crimea and Donbas. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Are you claiming that they weren't so feckless and weak that they emboldened Putin?

 

You're blaming Trump because you don't like the way he's cleaning up their mess.  Better to just say thanks for stopping the killing and walking the world back from Armageddon that their disastrous policies allowed to start.

 

 

No I’m making the factual observation that Trump is nice again doing exactly what Putin wants.

 

I’m blaming Trump because it is Trump who is choosing to do Putin’s bidding. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Ok. So what's your genius solution? I continue to say that Ukraine is losing more ground daily, in fact last week I posited that Ukrainian troops in Kursk may be in danger of being cut off and surrounded. This is now appearing to be on the cards. So come on. What's your solution? All you do is say Trump is Putin's lackey. Analysts and people in the know knew this would be the case, indeed some posters on here including myself have been saying Ukraine will have to give up land. This is the realty of the situation. My guess is your response to this post will be calling me a Putin sympathizer.

I think not caving to Putin and providing Ukraine with the military and financial assistance they need, rather than withdrawing that assistance, is a good start.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Ukraine is not a country so whatever. Stop shooting its bad for business.

Counterfactual garbage.