Losing out with on-line TM47 applications

[cliveshep]

CM Immigration's so-called 90-day is an incorrect scam if you apply online. You have a window of on-line application, which is BETWEEN 15 days BEFORE expiry TO 7 days BEFORE expiry - so only a 7 day window. Outside of that window and your on-line application will be rejected - ask me how I know this?

 

So let's say you apply for the renewal 15 days before expiry, your receipt and acceptance when it comes back will be dated 90 days from the date of application, so now your so-called 90 days is reduced to 75 days as you have lost 15 days of your old report time span.

 

It gets better.................................

 

So the next time you need to apply, again it must be in that 7 day window so if you apply 15 days before expiry once again the clock resets from that application date. So your 90 days is now again reduced to 75 days. So you lose a minimum of 7 days each time.

 

So really they ought to call it a 75 day report assuming you apply 15 days before expiry but might be an 82 day report dependant on which day of each applicable window you apply.

 

So far they do not charge for this because if they did it would be fraudulent. Tricky lot aren't they? Still, it doesn't matter really as one way or another you need to keep re-applying and as it costs nothing it's mai pen rai - right? And on-line still beats postal or having to trek in to that awful place and spend a whole day just hanging about.

 

Talking of which - my appointment for extension renewal is next Monday - doesn't the year go quickly!? Must go, got to prepare my decimated rainforest 25 or more pages of necessary documentation in duplicate as CM demand. Don't know why they want 2 sets of almost the same stuff they get every year especially as the toilets now got automatic bum-sprays installed. Hey ho! Life, as they say, is not a bowl of cherries.

[steve187]

is it that demanding to do the report every 83 days or for that matter 75 days, look at the time you save by not travelling to IO.

if you travel to IO you have 7 days after the report date to do the report 

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, cliveshep said:

.....so only a 7 day window. Outside of that window and your on-line application will be rejected - ask me how I know this?

You should have know that as it's common knowledge.

To be fair at one point  some advice was 15 days prior up to due date. 

As for the rest of your post ....Yes you apply as soon as your window opens is best policy.

So that means at the 75 day mark.

The report starts clock for next report. 

You would end up doing one extra report doing it online vs in person per year. 

If you do report via mail you can also do it at the 75 day mark however immigration with give you a due date for next report 90 days from previous due date.

Not from when you mail it.

 

As for your extension....  people moan about that for what.  Best to provide what immigration demand. 

[farang51]

Damn, so instead of saving some 10 hours from not having to go to the immigration office several times a year, you only save 9 hours and 55 minutes.

[cliveshep]

Oh do come on you guys - it was written in humour as far as complaining is concerned, I think I made the point fairly that it is much preferred to going to CM or wasting effort, petrol and postage money driving to post all the photocopies needed.

 

And Dr Jack - if you read the advice given by the Immigration Bureau it is responsible for getting previous refusals necessitating travelling in to CM. The link was on another 90 day thread, already 74 pages long if I remember correctly.  And you are correct, when I asked for advice on that thread what I got was also wrong or contradictory. It was the I.O who gave me the only correct advice not withstanding what CM have said in the on-line document they posted. When I pointed out their own publication said something totally different she got a bit shirty but she was right for all that.

[Tod Daniels]

You could be like a friend of mine down here in Bangkok, and file your 90-day report 7 days late every time 😮 

 

Which he brags, gains him an extra "free month" every year after four reports..

[cliveshep]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

You should have know that as it's common knowledge.

To be fair at one point  some advice was 15 days prior up to due date. 

As for the rest of your post ....Yes you apply as soon as your window opens is best policy.

So that means at the 75 day mark.

The report starts clock for next report. 

You would end up doing one extra report doing it online vs in person per year. 

If you do report via mail you can also do it at the 75 day mark however immigration with give you a due date for next report 90 days from previous due date.

Not from when you mail it.

 

As for your extension....  people moan about that for what.  Best to provide what immigration demand. 

I've been here for a number of years now, but up until last year was unaware of a system in place to book an appointment so for many years suffered the excruciatingly slow hang around and wait process. Last year we heard about the booking appointment process, what a difference that made. So now we are booking an appointment.

[cliveshep]

2 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

You could be like a friend of mine down here in Bangkok, and file your 90-day report 7 days late every time 😮 

 

Which he brags, gains him an extra "free month" every year after four reports..

At 2000 baht a time does he think he has a bargain? I presume they do fine him as I've heard happens to others.?

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

At 2000 baht a time does he think he has a bargain? I presume they do fine him as I've heard happens to others.?

The guy you quoted was referring to reporting in person.

That can be done up to 7 days after due date without fine.

BTW the 2000k fine does not accumulate. 

It's 2k if you miss a few

[UWEB]

4 hours ago, cliveshep said:

CM Immigration's so-called 90-day is an incorrect scam if you apply online. You have a window of on-line application, which is BETWEEN 15 days BEFORE expiry TO 7 days BEFORE expiry - so only a 7 day window. Outside of that window and your on-line application will be rejected - ask me how I know this?

 

So let's say you apply for the renewal 15 days before expiry, your receipt and acceptance when it comes back will be dated 90 days from the date of application, so now your so-called 90 days is reduced to 75 days as you have lost 15 days of your old report time span.

 

It gets better.................................

 

So the next time you need to apply, again it must be in that 7 day window so if you apply 15 days before expiry once again the clock resets from that application date. So your 90 days is now again reduced to 75 days. So you lose a minimum of 7 days each time.

 

So really they ought to call it a 75 day report assuming you apply 15 days before expiry but might be an 82 day report dependant on which day of each applicable window you apply.

 

So far they do not charge for this because if they did it would be fraudulent. Tricky lot aren't they? Still, it doesn't matter really as one way or another you need to keep re-applying and as it costs nothing it's mai pen rai - right? And on-line still beats postal or having to trek in to that awful place and spend a whole day just hanging about.

 

Talking of which - my appointment for extension renewal is next Monday - doesn't the year go quickly!? Must go, got to prepare my decimated rainforest 25 or more pages of necessary documentation in duplicate as CM demand. Don't know why they want 2 sets of almost the same stuff they get every year especially as the toilets now got automatic bum-sprays installed. Hey ho! Life, as they say, is not a bowl of cherries.

If they like they can get one every month online from me.

[connda]

4 hours ago, cliveshep said:

CM Immigration's so-called 90-day is an incorrect scam if you apply online. You have a window of on-line application, which is BETWEEN 15 days BEFORE expiry TO 7 days BEFORE expiry - so only a 7 day window. Outside of that window and your on-line application will be rejected - ask me how I know this?

 

So let's say you apply for the renewal 15 days before expiry, your receipt and acceptance when it comes back will be dated 90 days from the date of application, so now your so-called 90 days is reduced to 75 days as you have lost 15 days of your old report time span.

 

It gets better.................................

 

So the next time you need to apply, again it must be in that 7 day window so if you apply 15 days before expiry once again the clock resets from that application date. So your 90 days is now again reduced to 75 days. So you lose a minimum of 7 days each time.

 

So really they ought to call it a 75 day report assuming you apply 15 days before expiry but might be an 82 day report dependant on which day of each applicable window you apply.

 

So far they do not charge for this because if they did it would be fraudulent. Tricky lot aren't they? Still, it doesn't matter really as one way or another you need to keep re-applying and as it costs nothing it's mai pen rai - right? And on-line still beats postal or having to trek in to that awful place and spend a whole day just hanging about.

 

Talking of which - my appointment for extension renewal is next Monday - doesn't the year go quickly!? Must go, got to prepare my decimated rainforest 25 or more pages of necessary documentation in duplicate as CM demand. Don't know why they want 2 sets of almost the same stuff they get every year especially as the toilets now got automatic bum-sprays installed. Hey ho! Life, as they say, is not a bowl of cherries.

You're thinking too much.  You'll burn out your brain cells.  I get a email notification, fill out the form online, hit submit, wait for the approval, print it out, then don't worry about it until I get the next email notification.  <shrug>

[petermik]

22 minutes ago, connda said:

You're thinking too much.  You'll burn out your brain cells.  I get a email notification,

Lucky you...they missed sending me a reminder.

[DrJack54]

29 minutes ago, connda said:

You're thinking too much.  You'll burn out your brain cells.  I get a email notification, fill out the form online, hit submit, wait for the approval, print it out, then don't worry about it until I get the next email notification.  <shrug>

Would seem you don't exit Thailand.

I can assure you that online reporting has been problematic at best. 

[CallumWK]

5 hours ago, cliveshep said:

You have a window of on-line application, which is BETWEEN 15 days BEFORE expiry TO 7 days BEFORE expiry - so only a 7 day window.

 

I thought that was corrected, and now you can use the online application until 1 day before due date.

 

Well I'm sure you can now apply till the last day, as evidenced per my own thread.

 

 

[connda]

46 minutes ago, petermik said:

Lucky you...they missed sending me a reminder.

I also keep it in my online calendar. If I don't get a reminder from them, I get it from my own calendar. They are a bureaucracy - you can't depend on them.  Now you know, 'eh? 

[connda]

44 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Would seem you don't exit Thailand.

I can assure you that online reporting has been problematic at best. 

Nope.  In 2023-2024 I had to do four 90 days in person. Local immigration refused to investigate why. Then I renewed my passport, did one last in-person, and it's back to working as normal.  Go figure.  The original 90 day online never worked for me because I have been in-country since 2009 without leaving.  It didn't like us old-timers.  The upgrade worked until it didn't. Now it works again.  So life is grand and 90 day reports are easy.  But purposefully doing 90 day reports in person if online works.  Makes no sense to me.  😕

[BrandonJT]

5 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

I thought that was corrected, and now you can use the online application until 1 day before due date.

 

Well I'm sure you can now apply till the last day, as evidenced per my own thread.

 

 

Every immigration office is different. They all have different policies.  But many more are switching to the 15 days before until 7 days before. Some still allow you to file online up until the due date.

[Tod Daniels]

13 hours ago, cliveshep said:

At 2000 baht a time does he think he has a bargain? I presume they do fine him as I've heard happens to others.?

I think you're confused 😞 

You can file a 90 day report in person from 2 weeks before the due date down until 1 week AFTER the due date. <- Going to file a 90 day report 7 days late doesn't get a fine,

The 2000baht fine starts on the 8th day 😉  He goes exactly one week late each time to get that "free month" after a year of re-porting..
 

[Lite Beer]

It is free to report so what are you actually losing?

Nothing.

[jippytum]

As the report online is free and saves you travelling to immigration don't complain. 

your lucky online works for you it doesn't work for everyone. 

[digger70]

22 hours ago, cliveshep said:

CM Immigration's so-called 90-day is an incorrect scam if you apply online. You have a window of on-line application, which is BETWEEN 15 days BEFORE expiry TO 7 days BEFORE expiry - so only a 7 day window. Outside of that window and your on-line application will be rejected - ask me how I know this?

 

So let's say you apply for the renewal 15 days before expiry, your receipt and acceptance when it comes back will be dated 90 days from the date of application, so now your so-called 90 days is reduced to 75 days as you have lost 15 days of your old report time span.

 

It gets better.................................

 

So the next time you need to apply, again it must be in that 7 day window so if you apply 15 days before expiry once again the clock resets from that application date. So your 90 days is now again reduced to 75 days. So you lose a minimum of 7 days each time.

 

So really they ought to call it a 75 day report assuming you apply 15 days before expiry but might be an 82 day report dependant on which day of each applicable window you apply.

 

So far they do not charge for this because if they did it would be fraudulent. Tricky lot aren't they? Still, it doesn't matter really as one way or another you need to keep re-applying and as it costs nothing it's mai pen rai - right? And on-line still beats postal or having to trek in to that awful place and spend a whole day just hanging about.

 

Talking of which - my appointment for extension renewal is next Monday - doesn't the year go quickly!? Must go, got to prepare my decimated rainforest 25 or more pages of necessary documentation in duplicate as CM demand. Don't know why they want 2 sets of almost the same stuff they get every year especially as the toilets now got automatic bum-sprays installed. Hey ho! Life, as they say, is not a bowl of cherries.

I do mine 90 Day Online  2  Days before the Due Date.

 Has Been approved  for at least 4 the times now .       

I've done one on the 13 this month on Thursday    It's Due the 15 this month, Today 

Probable early next week I will get an Email if approved or not. Touch wood .   🙏 

As for the appointment for the Yearly Extension    they doin't even look at them  they just put them on the bottom of ones Papers .

Still have to wait for agents who come in there  with their  bundle  of Documents and Passports  and minibus load of people and still wait. 

Time doesn't mean anything .