US Deports Hundreds of Alleged Venezuelan Gang Members Despite Court Order

[EVENKEEL]

Check out the video of gang members being led to planes with the song 'CLosing Time' playing. 

 

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Emdog said:

You clearly need to work on reading comprehension. I highlighted the portion you somehow don't understand: "predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government…." Do you understand what "foreign nation" means? "foreign government". Any predatory incursion is done by private individuals, not governments. And there is no declared war.

"Mexican nationals parading with Mexican flags" Ever notice how many bars here have foreign flags flying? Usually Scandinavian I've noticed.... Go tear those flagsdown, lock up the Vikings?

US bedrock bill of rights component is freedom of speech. You don't seem to agree... perhaps move to Hungary or Russia where your attitude is held by rulers. Freedom of speech is only worthwhile if  those you oppose, whose beliefs you don't agree with, are given same rights as all. Someone pointed out that no government has ever shut down a newspaper for agreeing with it.

Thailand is well known for the lack of freedom of speech and repressive defamation laws... so giving them as example of what ought to be...?

Scandinavians don't arrive via the Darien- fatuous comparison.

 

Given this is a predominantly Thai based forum, a comparison with Thailand is appropriate. The US should learn from Thailand how to deal with illegals.

[SiSePuede419]

Judge: Your rights under the Constitution as an American don't end just because Trump puts you on an airplane to a giant concrete Salvadoran Prison Camp in the jungle.

 

MAGA: Why not?  I don't care. It'll never happen to me.

 

[... ]

 

MAGA: But, but but you're making a big mistake. I'm not a gangbanger.

 

Trump Death Squad (mostly pro Trump cops, military and various nutcases working night shift with masks): Sure.

 

"That's what they all say."🤗

 

 

[impulse]

9 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Judge: Your rights under the Constitution as an American don't end just because Trump puts you on an airplane to a giant concrete Salvadoran Prison Camp in the jungle.

 

How many Americans did Trump put on a plane?

 

[Emdog]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

How many Americans did Trump put on a plane?

 

They are all Americans. Central and South Americans.

[Emdog]

23 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You need to real the whole section. And here is the Presidents Order:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/invocation-of-the-alien-enemies-act-regarding-the-invasion-of-the-united-states-by-tren-de-aragua/

 

Read both carefully so you do not look silly.

 

You misquoted me too about Mexican Nationals and your comment about flags hanging in bars is so beyond ridiculous that it boggles the mind.

as if... " conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States." That could be said of any criminal.... insipid to call that "irregular warfare"... Crips and Bloods could fit into the same absurdly foggy description. 

But lets say all these Maduro accusations have some substance: then take the individuals to court before sending them off to a third nation without any legal representation.... ever hear the phrase "We are a nation of laws and not men". Trump is doing his best to end that on many fronts. If they are gangbangers, murderers, etc, then by all means get them out of the US. BUT go thru DUE PROCESS.

Saw news report on Venezuelan football player hoovered up... he was here on political asylum ticket. Was arrested for being in a gang, had tattoos on his arm as proof. The tat is of a foot (soccer) ball and a champions league cup for Real Madrid. 

This is typical of stupidity of Trump enforcers, up there with Pentagon getting rid of "Enola Gay" reference as if that had anything to do with "DEI"

If Trump can ignore laws when arresting and deporting those guys,, what protections would you have if they picked you up? And don't say they wouldn't... you don't know and they have a track record of stupidf

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, Emdog said:

But lets say all these Maduro accusations have some substance: then take the individuals to court before sending them off to a third nation without any legal representation

They are enemy combatants. They arent entitled to any protection whatsoever.

[Emdog]

26 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

They are enemy combatants. They arent entitled to any protection whatsoever.

Low life criminals. We are not at war, full stop. BS to say "enemy combatants": enlistment papers? Uniforms? military bases?

Besides, if they were what you say, there is the matter of Geneva conventions on treatment of prisoners of war. Why Mr Putin and Bibi need to be careful where they travel to, as they are indicted war criminals... or perhaps former Philippine dictator now held for ICC trial over his "extra judicial" killings.

[Hamus Yaigh]

On 3/17/2025 at 5:05 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm amazed that anyone would actually want them to stay in the US.

How do you know they weren't innocent bystanders with tattoos? #rhetorical

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Low life criminals. We are not at war, full stop. BS to say "enemy combatants": enlistment papers? Uniforms? military bases?

Ive already posted the Presidential Proclamation. Thats the way it is, and no amounts of screeching can disguise the fact that no one has the authority to dispute the Presidents findings.

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Why Mr Putin and Bibi need to be careful where they travel to, as they are indicted war criminals... or perhaps former Philippine dictator now held for ICC trial over his "extra judicial" killings.

The ICC is nothing. Id love to see them arrest Benny, Israel Commandos vs the Dutch? Yikes, lets bet on that one. Do the Dutch even have soldiers?

[Yagoda]

42 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

How do you know they weren't innocent bystanders with tattoos? #rhetorical

Must be the Gang Symbols tattoed across their faces and their lack of proper documentation.

[Hamus Yaigh]

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Must be the Gang Symbols tattoed across their faces and their lack of proper documentation.

Lack of ID and no due course, some could even be US citizens. Brings to mind innocent victims of the Japanese internment during WW2. Way to go, 'merica, you are turning into a racist shtshow and laughing stock of the globe.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Lack of ID and no due course, some could even be US citizens. Brings to mind innocent victims of the Japanese internment during WW2. Way to go, 'merica, you are turning into a racist shtshow and laughing stock of the globe.

 

 'Cause Europe doesn't have the same problem with illegals.  Trump's just ahead of the curve.  Sadly, the Euros don't have a newly elected leader with a mandate and balls.

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Sadly, the Euros don't have a newly elected leader with a mandate and balls.

They tried that in the 1930s. They know how it works out.

[candide]

Another gag from creepy Trump! 🤣

 

Trump says he didn’t sign proclamation invoking Alien Enemies Act

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/politics/trump-signature-alien-enemies-act-proclamation

 

“I don’t know when it was signed, because I didn’t sign it,” Trump told reporters before leaving the White House on Friday evening......

 

The proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act appears in the Federal Register with Trump’s signature at the bottom......

 

“President Trump was obviously referring to the original Alien Enemies Act that was signed back in 1798,” a White House statement said. 😂

[Emdog]

On 3/21/2025 at 10:37 AM, Yagoda said:

The ICC is nothing. Id love to see them arrest Benny, Israel Commandos vs the Dutch? Yikes, lets bet on that one. Do the Dutch even have soldiers?

Careful, your ignorance is showing. ICC does not stand for "Interstate Commerce Commission" in this case. It stands for INTERNATIONAL (that means more than 1 country, fyi) Criminal Court. They brought many of the butchers from Serbia to court. "The ICC has publicly indicted 69 people. Proceedings against 35 are ongoing: 30 are at large as fugitives, one person's case is in the pre-trial stage, and four are on trial. Proceedings against 34 have been completed: three are serving sentences, seven have finished sentences, four have been acquitted, seven have had the charges against them dismissed, four have had the charges against them withdrawn, and nine have died before the conclusion of the proceedings against them" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Criminal_Court 

Israel, US & Russia not part of ICC, but the indicted can still be arrested and sent for trial if they venture into signatory country. Not joining doesn't get you off the hook....

You clearly don't care about the rule of law and genocide is just fine with you

[Emdog]

On 3/21/2025 at 10:34 AM, Yagoda said:

Ive already posted the Presidential Proclamation. Thats the way it is, and no amounts of screeching can disguise the fact that no one has the authority to dispute the Presidents findings.

You lack a basic understanding of US government, Constitution and 3 branches of government. "...no one has the authority to dispute the Presidents findings." One of the most grossly ignorant statement I have seen in years. Maybe true in Hungary or Russia, not so in USA

 

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, Emdog said:

Careful, your ignorance is showing. ICC does not stand for "Interstate Commerce Commission" in this case. It stands for INTERNATIONAL (that means more than 1 country, fyi) Criminal Court. They brought many of the butchers from Serbia to court. "The ICC has publicly indicted 69 people. Proceedings against 35 are ongoing: 30 are at large as fugitives, one person's case is in the pre-trial stage, and four are on trial. Proceedings against 34 have been completed: three are serving sentences, seven have finished sentences, four have been acquitted, seven have had the charges against them dismissed, four have had the charges against them withdrawn, and nine have died before the conclusion of the proceedings against them" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Criminal_Court 

Israel, US & Russia not part of ICC, but the indicted can still be arrested and sent for trial if they venture into signatory country. Not joining doesn't get you off the hook....

You clearly don't care about the rule of law and genocide is just fine with you

My political worldview eschews genocide. That's a Socialist trait. 

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, Emdog said:

You lack a basic understanding of US government, Constitution and 3 branches of government. "...no one has the authority to dispute the Presidents findings." One of the most grossly ignorant statement I have seen in years. Maybe true in Hungary or Russia, not so in USA

 

Have you read the Act?

 

 

[jas007]

The Trump administration is apparently trying to skirt the requirement of the invasion being by a foreign nation or government by rationalizing that the gang members are in cahoots with Venezuela or some other foreign powers.  A proxy invasion, of sorts. 

 

Maybe this will work, maybe it won't.  It'll all end up in court.  It should be interesting.

 

What happens if the El Salvador prison won't send them back, even if some court orders it?  My guess is that those guys are in that prison forever. 

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, jas007 said:

The Trump administration is apparently trying to skirt the requirement of the invasion being by a foreign nation or government by rationalizing that the gang members are in cahoots with Venezuela or some other foreign powers.  A proxy invasion, of sorts. 

 

Maybe this will work, maybe it won't.  It'll all end up in court.  It should be interesting.

 

What happens if the El Salvador prison won't send them back, even if some court orders it?  My guess is that those guys are in that prison forever. 

One hopes they are in that prison forever. Why would anyone want them back anyway?

 

IMO gangsters are outlaws and as such have no rights.

[Emdog]

20 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Have you read the Act?

 

 

have you read the constitution?

[Yagoda]

7 hours ago, Emdog said:

have you read the constitution?

That's a non answer. So in other words, you haven't read the alien yet and nationalities act, nor any cases interpreting it. Are you claiming that the Constitution gives individual district judges control over  foreign policy?

[Tug]

On 3/17/2025 at 9:40 PM, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Where are the forums usual left-wing suspects squealing about their human rights ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

It’s all about due process and working within our laws and constitution period all stop.🛑 no American I know wants any gang members in the USA nobody period all stop.🛑 what concerns lucid high information Americans is the fact that due process and proven facts weren’t followed nor was the laws on the books + now the defiance when called on it.its just another example of trumps inability to govern within our system.he has no skill he can only dictate,America is not a dictatorship (yet) there in lies the rub.nobody wants those criminals no body so stop trying to conflate that some people do it’s false.high information Americans do want due process and proof before someone is sent to hell for life no more no less.plus no Americans want a dictatorship.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 3/22/2025 at 2:43 PM, Yagoda said:

Have you read the Act?

 

I've read it and it states quite unequivocally that it can only be invoked under two specific sets of circumstances, as follows. 

 

1. There is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government ....

 

2. [If] any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government ...

 

Perhaps you can tell us which of those two sets of circumstances you think apply to the current situation.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 3/22/2025 at 2:57 PM, jas007 said:

The Trump administration is apparently trying to skirt the requirement of the invasion being by a foreign nation or government by rationalizing that the gang members are in cahoots with Venezuela or some other foreign powers.  A proxy invasion, of sorts. 

 

Maybe this will work, maybe it won't.  It'll all end up in court.  It should be interesting.

 

What happens if the El Salvador prison won't send them back, even if some court orders it?  My guess is that those guys are in that prison forever. 

And they’ve not been indicted, let alone found guilty in a court of law.

 

[NoDisplayName]

On 3/21/2025 at 7:42 AM, impulse said:

 

How many Americans did Trump put on a plane?

 

 

Fewer Americans than Obama had executed by drone strike, by executive order, without trial.

[NoDisplayName]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And they’ve not been indicted, let alone found guilty in a court of law.

 

 

Right on, man!

 

After all, they aren't random Afghan goatherders, or citizens extraordinarily renditioned off the streets of Europe.

 

Guess this means no anal rape with broom handles?

[Jingthing]

Andrew Sullivan says what needed to be said: