So now they are terrorists.

[DonniePeverley]

What happened to free speech Vance and co were lecturing Europe about?

 

Oh wait, is 'free speech' just speech they like ?

[Evil Penevil]

On 3/20/2025 at 4:07 AM, bubblegum said:

They are quilty until proven innocent however there is no way to pro innocence when you're basically kidnapped into another country. Not my law, not USA law. Party of law and other kiss my ...

 

Quilty???  I doubt you'll find too many Tren de Aragua members making quilts or even sleeping under one.

 

...

 

But aside from any relationship to quilts, suspected members of Tren de Aragua, or any other foreigner, can be deported from the U.S.  without a criminal conviction in a U.S. court.  No non-U.S.-citizen has a right to remain in the U.S., but millions have been granted permission to do so by the U.S. government.

 

Without  such permission, the government is free to deport them for no other reason than they are in the U.S. illegally.  The situation becomes trickier when the government seeks to remove foreigners who have valid status in the U.S.  Conviction of a crime is not necessary for the removal of a Green Card holder, but the government is required to have strong reason to believe the immigrant's continued presence would not be in the best interests of the U.S.  In any case, the government is not required to publicly disclose the reason.  If the information about membership  in or association with Tren de Aragua came through a confidential informant or undercover operation, it's understandable the government would keep it secret.

 

[Digitalbanana]

52 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The  underlying issue is that people who are innocent of criminal activity are being arrested and sent to a foreign prison without due process.

Some could even be US citizens. Trump admitted with a smirk in a WH presser yesterday that would be bad. Shoot first ask questions later with this clown show.

In other news: https://www.dailynews.com/2025/03/21/uk-subs-bassist-says-bandmembers-were-denied-entry-into-u-s-after-trump-criticism/

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Some could even be US citizens. Trump admitted with a smirk in a WH presser yesterday that would be bad. Shoot first ask questions later with this clown show.

In other news: https://www.dailynews.com/2025/03/21/uk-subs-bassist-says-bandmembers-were-denied-entry-into-u-s-after-trump-criticism/

Most Americans would be happy to get rid of gang members, no matter how it was done. Gang tats are unique, and easily identified, if you had them but weren't in the gang, the gang would kill you.

 

I see no way there could be a mistake in identifying members.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Some could even be US citizens. Trump admitted with a smirk in a WH presser yesterday that would be bad. 

 

   Do you have a link to back that claim up ?

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

In other news: https://www.dailynews.com/2025/03/21/uk-subs-bassist-says-bandmembers-were-denied-entry-into-u-s-after-trump-criticism/

 

   They were denied entry into the USA for not having the correct visa .

They probably needed a working visa rather than a tourist visa 

[Albaby]

On 3/20/2025 at 10:54 AM, bubblegum said:

Susan were have you been!

Proof they are crims.

The Donald told me, must be true.

[cjinchiangrai]

They may not tell the press, and that makes some sense but they will be telling the judge and he is not happy.

[Albaby]

38 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

What happened to free speech Vance and co were lecturing Europe about?

 

Oh wait, is 'free speech' just speech they like ?

If you enter the US illegally, you are a criminal. POQ back to where you come from. Nothing to do with free speech.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

The  underlying issue is that people who are innocent of criminal activity are being arrested and sent to a foreign prison without due process. There are people who reportedly had  tatoos of a humminbird or Real Madrid that were mistaken for gang tatoos who were sent to foreign prisons.

Long ago, in a galaxy far away, there was a country like the United States where "due process" had some meaning. However, what was left of that concept didn't survive the Biden Administration, I'm afraid. 

 

There's an old federal law called the "Alien Enemies Act" that allows the president to do exactly what he did.  There are a number of legal hurdles, to be sure, but the entire issue will no doubt be flushed out in court.  The Trump team thinks they have a winner.

 

I'm afraid none of those people sent to El Salvador will ever return.  

[Albaby]

11 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

They may not tell the press, and that makes some sense but they will be telling the judge and he is not happy.

The judge is a Democrat appointed Leftwing activist.

[cjinchiangrai]

5 minutes ago, Albaby said:

The judge is a Democrat appointed Leftwing activist.

Irrelevant, even if it was true. The judge wants to see the list, charges and disposition. He has the right to get it.

[Albaby]

18 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Long ago, in a galaxy far away, there was a country like the United States where "due process" had some meaning. However, what was left of that concept didn't survive the Biden Administration, I'm afraid. 

 

There's an old federal law called the "Alien Enemies Act" that allows the president to do exactly what he did.  There are a number of legal hurdles, to be sure, but the entire issue will no doubt be flushed out in court.  The Trump team thinks they have a winner.

 

I'm afraid none of those people sent to El Salvador will ever return.  

Why are you afraid? America is safer without them.

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, Albaby said:

Why are you afraid? America is safer without them.

Just a figure of speech.  I'm not "afraid" in the sense of being scared.  

 

You're right, though. The country is better off without foreign gang members. 

[billd766]

On 3/20/2025 at 12:05 PM, Photoguy21 said:

Do you know better and are sure they are not terrorists? If not maybe your comment is out of place. The South American gangs are a form of terrorism

One easy to know if they were terrorists or not would be to collate the results of the trials. That will be difficult to prove, as they never went to trial in the first place. 

[cjinchiangrai]

5 minutes ago, Albaby said:

Why are you afraid? America is safer without them.

And at some point might be safer without you. There are rules that need to be followed.

[placeholder]

32 minutes ago, Albaby said:

The judge is a Democrat appointed Leftwing activist.

Actually Boasberg was first nominated to fill a seat on the bench by a Republican president and then by a Democratic one.

Appointed by President George W. Bush, he served as a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia from 2002 to 2011, before Barack Obama nominated him to the US district court for the District of Columbia. Chief Justice John G. Roberts appointed him to the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in 2014, and he served as the presiding judge of the FISC from 2020 to 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Boasberg

 

I'br always suspected that John Roberts was a Democratic shill. 

[BritManToo]

50 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Long ago, in a galaxy far away, there was a country like the United States where "due process" had some meaning. However, what was left of that concept didn't survive the Biden Administration, I'm afraid. 

 

There's an old federal law called the "Alien Enemies Act" that allows the president to do exactly what he did.  There are a number of legal hurdles, to be sure, but the entire issue will no doubt be flushed out in court.  The Trump team thinks they have a winner.

 

I'm afraid none of those people sent to El Salvador will ever return.  

 

An interesting idea, but factually incorrect,

Did native Americans in the 1800s get due process?

Did black slaves get due process?

Did Japanese immigrants in ww2 get due process?

 

When exactly did your "long age" happen?

[impulse]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Nice try to shove genocide and massive land grabs under the table

 

 

Could have been worse.  They could be part of Mexico with their wonderful GDP per capita and completely uncorrupt system.  Or a colony of the French. 

 

The only thing for sure is that they didn't have the tech to do to the Europeans what they had been doing to each other for thousands of years.  And not even humanely if you read the history books about live skinnings and human sacrifice.

 

[pomchop]

On 3/20/2025 at 10:33 AM, hotsun said:

Want to be in the united states? Dont do bad stuff. Problem solved

Except little things like storm the capitol beat cops threaten to hang the VP install fake electors and try and overthrow the results of an election.  That is all just fine and after you have been arrested and charged and tried by a jury or plead quilty and sentenced  to jail dear leader will declare that you are a true patriot and issue a blanket pardon no matter how unlawful no matter that you had due process no matter the piles of evidence no matter a jury trial and no matter that it was a big bunch of thugs......but do not vandalize a tesla or you are a terrorist.

 

Oh and if all those jan 6 thugs were really antifa as dear leader and his magic morons claimed then why did dear leader pardon all those antifi thugs and praise them non stop as heroes?  Very strange thing for dear leader to do but as all good cult members know you do not ever ever criticize dear leader no matter how full of crap he obviously truly is and continues to be.

[jas007]

45 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

 

An interesting idea, but factually incorrect,

Did native Americans in the 1800s get due process?

Did black slaves get due process?

Did Japanese immigrants in ww2 get due process?

 

When exactly did your "long age" happen?

Let's just say the concept of "due process" had more respect in days gone by.  As fro your examples, I think the Japanese people in the US who were sent to camps during WWII, were sent there under the authority of the Alien Enemies Act. 

 

As for being "factually correct"?  Certainly you don't think that every person who ever inhabited the North American continent received "due Process" in every dealing with authorities.  Violations of due process happen all the time.  People argue about that issue every day in court, in one case or another.  It's a constitutional right set out in the 5th (for the federal government) and 14th Amendments (for the states).   

[unblocktheplanet]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Just a figure of speech.  I'm not "afraid" in the sense of being scared.  

 

You're right, though. The country is better off without foreign gang members. 

The billionaires: Musk & Thiel?

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, Albaby said:

The judge is a Democrat appointed Leftwing activist.

 

Do you seriously believe that nonsense? If you are labeling a judge a leftwing activist because the judge  applies a law as written, then you are  irresponsible and disrespectful of the US Constitution. The rule of law means that  sometimes a court delivers a decision that  may not be popular with some people, but is legally correct. The place to object is in the judicial system.

Unless you are saying that you do not believe that the judiciary should be separate from political influence. Did you even read the court ruling and the reasoning provided, or is that to  difficult for you to do?

[jas007]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

 

An interesting idea, but factually incorrect,

Did native Americans in the 1800s get due process?

Did black slaves get due process?

Did Japanese immigrants in ww2 get due process?

 

When exactly did your "long age" happen?

I just noticed.  You're from Britain? 

 

Check your Magna Carta.  The right was granted there, for sure, and has evolved over time.  In America, we now have procedural due process and substantive due process.  It's not all etched in stone. 

[Smokin Joe]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Actually Boasberg was first nominated to fill a seat on the bench by a Republican president and then by a Democratic one.

Appointed by President George W. Bush, he served as a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia from 2002 to 2011, before Barack Obama nominated him to the US district court for the District of Columbia. Chief Justice John G. Roberts appointed him to the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in 2014, and he served as the presiding judge of the FISC from 2020 to 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Boasberg

 

I'br always suspected that John Roberts was a Democratic shill. 

 

While Boasberg was a FISC judge he authorized the Dems to use federal agents to do surveillance on the Trump campaign in order to assist Hillary. 

 

This info has been conveniently left out of his Wiki page.

 

https://time.com/7269502/who-is-judge-james-boasberg-trump-wants-him-impeached/

[bubblegum]

Trump is now denying he invoked the Bla,bla Alien Act. He never signed it he claims. Autopen ?????🤣

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 

An interesting idea, but factually incorrect,

Did native Americans in the 1800s get due process?

Did black slaves get due process?

Did Japanese immigrants in ww2 get due process?

 

When exactly did your "long age" happen?

Of course whataboutism is still alive and well and dwells forever on the right.

 

You may as well harken back to the witch trials, punishment of Christians in the Roman colosseum and the Spanish Inquisition.  Government and societal leader's treatment and respect of others has slowly been improving over the eons.  Of course there have been fits and starts.

 

Have you not been doing your homework?

[Smokin Joe]

9 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Of course whataboutism is still alive and well and dwells forever on the right.

 

You may as well harken back to the witch trials, punishment of Christians in the Roman colosseum and the Spanish Inquisition.  Government and societal leader's treatment and respect of others has slowly been improving over the eons.  Of course there have been fits and starts.

 

Have you not been doing your homework?

 

Bottom Line:

 

Things have not been the same since we stopped drinking from the skulls of our enemies.

[bubblegum]

 

[JAG]

On 3/20/2025 at 10:26 AM, bubblegum said:

White house presser is now saying they won't disclose any info on the 200 or so illegals that were supposed to be from some gang because it was a "counter terrorist" action. So the nameless people rotting in an, for profit jail in El Salvador are now promoted to being terrorist. Can't make this <deleted> up.

Give it another few days and it will probably be confirmed that they were Canadians!😀